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posted August 25, 2012 03:23 AM |
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Such rage....
This game turned out to be a disaster, apparently. I disagree, but the minority that I am doesnt want to pick a fight on these grounds.
What I am really pissed about though, is people that just abandon all hopes for the future. If people declare the series dead to them, Ubi will make it dead. If people shout for better quality for Ubi to get their money, Ubi will make a little effort towards a better game. Because that'll get them more of your money.
Point is, raging is fine I suppose, ragequitting forever and ever is just bad. Heroes can be a good game if you put the effort into it. Nobody will ever put effort into it if you won't even look at the end result though.
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Hermestri
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posted August 25, 2012 04:51 AM |
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Oh god i really hope it doesnt end up as a MMO chances are Heroes being converted into a MMO would be a massive disaster.
Its already happening.
http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/news/details.aspx?c=tcm:21-60662&ct=tcm:6-231-32
Guys, we have to admit and come to terms with it - Heroes 6 is finished. Proof?
1. Limbic can only do maps and stuff like that, they cant change much code as only Blackhole really knew how to do that, and they are bankrupt.
2. Puppetworks apparently not working with Ubi anymore, and even if they did, new faction would take them 6 months at least, Heroes 6 would be long dead.
3. Limbic stated that they will only support the game until 1.7, which is scheduled in the end of September.
4. Gold edition will be released with new DLC 27 of September(just when contract with Limbic expires)
5.Heroes Online (link above ) is the new Heroes, as CEO of Ubisoft said few days ago about their shift to F2P games.
6. Heroes 6 story continues in MM Duel of the Champions, which takes place right after the Pirates of the Savage Sea(Crag Hack said it in the game himself)
7. New factions will be introduced in Duels of the Champions, probably explaining Raelag etc.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 25, 2012 08:46 AM |
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Half-truths and nonsense.
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 09:43 AM |
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Sorry Hermestri but JJ is right..
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Hermestri
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posted August 25, 2012 10:00 AM |
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Half-truths and nonsense.
eh...what I have above are facts, believe it or not. which one do you doubt? i will post proof.
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 10:14 AM |
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1. Not entirely true.
2. Who said they are not? Or that H6 will be dead within that time? 
3. There has been no confirmation on that.
4. Like above, nobody said they are leaving afterwards.
5. Heroes online cannot compare to a real tbs heroes game or even that it will be a success. Nobody puts all his eggs in a basket.
6. Of course, all might&magic games are connected now.
7. That has nothing to do with heroes.
Just saying, too much guesswork with no confirmations. Just hints that could be misinterpreted or are irrelevant with the point you are trying to make.
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Hermestri
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posted August 25, 2012 10:45 AM |
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1. Not entirely true.
2. Who said they are not? Or that H6 will be dead within that time?
3. There has been no confirmation on that.
4. Like above, nobody said they are leaving afterwards.
5. Heroes online cannot compare to a real tbs heroes game or even that it will be a success. Nobody puts all his eggs in a basket.
6. Of course, all might&magic games are connected now.
7. That has nothing to do with heroes.
Just saying, too much guesswork with no confirmations. Just hints that could be misinterpreted or are irrelevant with the point you are trying to make.
OK,
1. Proof here is lets see what have they done with first DLC. New maps, tick. New faces of heroese, tick. New abilities? No. New units? No. S;ight;y coloured Phoenix? Tick. New building? Tick, but have you seen closely the quiality of this building? its rendering is much lower then any other building in game, and it doesnt even have a flag or an entrance like any other one. Limbic is times smaller then blackhole was, and the games code is a big mess as seen from little bugs everywhere, and bugs keep popping up in every patch. Limbic wont be able to make an expansion ever, and its easier to make new game then to try to work out the code of this one. By the way, content of the second dlc will be the same. So, voice actors, portrait designers and map builders.
2. Before H6 came out, there were constant updated from Puppetworks, on their website, on Ubi website, everywhere. Unit animations takes long time at puppetwork, and they did advertise their result long before the release. If they were doing anything now, we would of known. Every product has a life cycle. Heroes 6 one is drawing to the end, and its fanbase will never be as strong in 6 months as it is even now, so it will not be feasable to release expansion after such a long delay after the product initial production.
3. Limbic have stated on official forums that they will support the game until 1.7, which is sheduled for the end of september.
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/709123-Patch-1-6-and-1-7-Limbic-and-Ubisoft-are-open-for-your-suggestions
I actually think that they are paid for their patcing from the DLC sales.
4. Gold edition is release, which means completed, finished product. Limbic are not able as a company to produce an expansion, they are too small and its not their field of work. In my opinion, they were only hired to patch the game and to then sell 2 dlcs.
5. http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/news/details.aspx?c=tcm:21-60662&ct=tcm:6-231-32
If you read this, and then see the pictures from the game, it overlaps too much with Heroes 6, it serves exactly same purpose.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-22-guillemot-as-many-pc-players-pay-for-f2p-as-boxed-product
6. Yes connected, but now it overlaps as Duel of the Champions expands on heroes 6, unlike say clash of heroes.
7. It has, as if you played Duel of the Champions you will see that it uses a lot of Heroes 6 reused artwork, and so the people doing this artwork are probably the same.
Just have to open our eyes, and stopbeing so hopeful.
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 11:27 AM |
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I am not as hopeful as you might think, I just know a few more things and see a few inconsistencies in your reasoning.
1. Actually they did make new abilities and animations for the thunderbird but that's irrelevant because they may have nothing to do with a planned addon. And the code can be changed but would no doubt take money and resources so I don't expect much change there or at least anytime soon.
2. It is entirely possible that they did/do work on something and you would not know. Or that they will be called to but really, would you expect them to publish addon material if they had any? It hasn't even been announced.
3. Indeed but what happens later is unknown.
4. Gold edition does not equal Complete Edition as JJ pointed out. Neither was it ever confirmed that it would be limbic working in an addon.
5. That or it uses the same engine because it's simpler, easier and less costly? Not to mention it only features two races. No, this game is not meant to replace heroes.
6. So?
7. That is correct, much to my delight. But that doesn't mean anything.
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Miru
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posted August 25, 2012 11:29 AM |
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1. Limbic can only do maps and stuff like that, they cant change much code as only Blackhole really knew how to do that, and they are bankrupt.
1. Not entirely true.
1. Proof here is lets see what have they done with first DLC. New maps, tick. New faces of heroese, tick. New abilities? No. New units? No. S;ight;y coloured Phoenix? Tick. New building? Tick, but have you seen closely the quiality of this building? its rendering is much lower then any other building in game, and it doesnt even have a flag or an entrance like any other one. Limbic is times smaller then blackhole was, and the games code is a big mess as seen from little bugs everywhere, and bugs keep popping up in every patch. Limbic wont be able to make an expansion ever, and its easier to make new game then to try to work out the code of this one. By the way, content of the second dlc will be the same. So, voice actors, portrait designers and map builders.
What they have done so far is not proof that that is all they can do. Your argument is an insult to the word proof.
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2. Puppetworks apparently not working with Ubi anymore, and even if they did, new faction would take them 6 months at least, Heroes 6 would be long dead.
2. Who said they are not? Or that H6 will be dead within that time?
2. Before H6 came out, there were constant updated from Puppetworks, on their website, on Ubi website, everywhere. Unit animations takes long time at puppetwork, and they did advertise their result long before the release. If they were doing anything now, we would of known. Every product has a life cycle. Heroes 6 one is drawing to the end, and its fanbase will never be as strong in 6 months as it is even now, so it will not be feasable to release expansion after such a long delay after the product initial production.
Puppetworks is not currently contracted to do anything. That doesn't mean that they won't be recontracted. And how the SNOW do you get the game will be dead in 6 months?! If Games died in 6 months without an expansion pack, ALL games would be dead. Hell even if you count the fact that it's been out 10 months, most games have longer than 16 months between expansions.
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3. Limbic stated that they will only support the game until 1.7, which is scheduled in the end of September.
3. There has been no confirmation on that.
3. Limbic have stated on official forums that they will support the game until 1.7, which is sheduled for the end of september.
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/709123-Patch-1-6-and-1-7-Limbic-and-Ubisoft-are-open-for-your-suggestions
I actually think that they are paid for their patcing from the DLC sales.
That is when this contract expires. Contracts expire all the time. New contracts are made. Its how contracts work. No one signs eternal contracts.
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4. Gold edition will be released with new DLC 27 of September(just when contract with Limbic expires)
4. Like above, nobody said they are leaving afterwards.
4. Gold edition is release, which means completed, finished product. Limbic are not able as a company to produce an expansion, they are too small and its not their field of work. In my opinion, they were only hired to patch the game and to then sell 2 dlcs.
Gold Edition does not mean finished product. This argument has already been made in other threads and I already pointed out many games have multiple compilations. Neverwinter Nights and Dawn of war had 3 each.
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5.Heroes Online (link above ) is the new Heroes, as CEO of Ubisoft said few days ago about their shift to F2P games.
5. Heroes online cannot compare to a real tbs heroes game or even that it will be a success. Nobody puts all his eggs in a basket.
5. http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/news/details.aspx?c=tcm:21-60662&ct=tcm:6-231-32
If you read this, and then see the pictures from the game, it overlaps too much with Heroes 6, it serves exactly same purpose.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-22-guillemot-as-many-pc-players-pay-for-f2p-as-boxed-product
You're kidding right? You actually think Ubisoft will abandon the Heroes Series in favor of that? I'm not even going to respond to that.
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6. Heroes 6 story continues in MM Duel of the Champions, which takes place right after the Pirates of the Savage Sea(Crag Hack said it in the game himself)
6. Of course, all might&magic games are connected now.
6. Yes connected, but now it overlaps as Duel of the Champions expands on heroes 6, unlike say clash of heroes.
What? So? Heroes has been a cross series game before it existed. Might and Magic V was already out before Heroes of Might and Magic I was released.
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7. New factions will be introduced in Duels of the Champions, probably explaining Raelag etc.
7. That has nothing to do with heroes.
Just saying, too much guesswork with no confirmations. Just hints that could be misinterpreted or are irrelevant with the point you are trying to make.
7. It has, as if you played Duel of the Champions you will see that it uses a lot of Heroes 6 reused artwork, and so the people doing this artwork are probably the same.
Just have to open our eyes, and stopbeing so hopeful.
What? They developed an online game, and your argument is that because they copied artwork instead of paying to make new stuff that means that they are putting more effort into it that the main series? The fact that they stole artwork means that it has a smaller budget and they are copying artwork instead of making new artwork.
Your arguments make no sense.
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War-overlord
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posted August 25, 2012 11:33 AM |
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With the evident risk of sounding like a complete wisenhiemer, here goes.
Hermestri, if two insiders say you are wrong, then that is the case.
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 11:35 AM |
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I wouldn't say stole, they just use the same visual style. Remember Erwan who was happy that heroes found its visual identity in H6? And as far as the new titles go, I'm pretty sure they were planned for a long time now. They didn't just pop up now because H6 had development issues.
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Miru
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posted August 25, 2012 11:39 AM |
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With the evident risk of sounding like a complete wisenhiemer, here goes.
Hermestri, if two insiders say you are wrong, then that is the case.
Two? Neither JJ nor I are insiders..
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 11:40 AM |
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You are half right there.
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Avirosb
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posted August 25, 2012 11:41 AM |
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What I am really pissed about though, is people that just abandon all hopes for the future. If people declare the series dead to them, Ubi will make it dead.
God I hope so.
Someone will pick up the franchise eventually, even if it takes 20 years or more.
Hopefully, someone more competent will be at the helm by then.
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Hermestri
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posted August 25, 2012 11:48 AM |
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If Im wrong, im happy actually, I'd love to be proven wrong, but I yet to see anything that says there is the future in Heroes 6.
And im happy for the insiders, but I doubt even Ubisoft knows what its doing.
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Elvin
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posted August 25, 2012 12:02 PM |
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And in your defense there has been nothing tangible given, outside the bad news about the sim turns and RMG - of which I hold some hope still but that is all kinds of screwed up. There is much about H6 that could change in the future because of an addon budget but would make little sense to go for now. Like an extra rare resource, faction specific/banned abilities in the skill system, reintroduction of mage guilds etc I just hope that sim turns and RMG will be amongst these additions. They'd better.
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posted August 25, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Point is, raging is fine I suppose, ragequitting forever and ever is just bad. Heroes can be a good game if you put the effort into it.
Who is supposed to put effort into it again? We?  Not sure if you have even read what you said.
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foxxxer
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posted August 25, 2012 01:45 PM |
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What I am really pissed about though, is people that just abandon all hopes for the future. If people declare the series dead to them, Ubi will make it dead. If people shout for better quality for Ubi to get their money, Ubi will make a little effort towards a better game. Because that'll get them more of your money.
Even if Ubisoft say Heroes (the TBS) is dead just don’t believe them. They will wait for some 3-4 years ‘till the people get hungry for Heroes and will repeat the same old cycle like H5 and H6.
If people shout or not, Ubi just don’t pay attention or at least looks like that. Yeah, the game is being fixed but still the quality is close to that one which should have been in last October. Now what do we see, Ubi sell some crap DLCs instead make an apology and release ‘em for free to the people who bought broken game last year.
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Miru
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posted August 25, 2012 02:45 PM |
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You are half right there.
JJ is part of the VIP board? I totally missed that. Would never have guessed it either.
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Simpelicity
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posted August 25, 2012 04:13 PM |
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Point is, raging is fine I suppose, ragequitting forever and ever is just bad. Heroes can be a good game if you put the effort into it.
Who is supposed to put effort into it again? We? Not sure if you have even read what you said.
Oh I know what I said. And no, I wasn't talking about us specifically. I was just talking about anyone, actually.
Nobody makes a LP if he believes no one will watch.
Nobody writes an AAR if he thinks no one will read.
Nobody creates a game if he believes no one will play it.
When you create something, anything, it isn't just for your own sake, you want to share it with people. Or sell it to people, in most cases.
Point is, as long as y'all keep shouting/yelling/demanding/etc for a better game, someone's bound to do it, be it Ubisoft or some other company that buys the rights, or just some small game dev that does something strangely very similar with a similar name.... like I said, just anyone really. Someone will do it, at any rate, simply because he knows there's people that are going to want to play it.
In the end, the series only truly dies if y'all stop caring.
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