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Elvin
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posted September 16, 2012 07:05 PM |
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This is a lot more formal than last time. Is it to have an easier time managing the whole thing?
Me getting more formal than TDL?  He'll have a good laugh once he hears this!
I figured that a smaller scale(10 Q) quiz would be easier to handle, as for the rest it's pretty much as it has always been. Besides the rating which has changed to make things fairer for the posters - back then we had lots of posters waiting when the rounds begun. Activity is not the same so I figured I should reward more those who could not reply fast enough but had decent replies.
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Simpelicity
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posted September 16, 2012 08:53 PM |
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This is a lot more formal than last time. Is it to have an easier time managing the whole thing?
Me getting more formal than TDL? He'll have a good laugh once he hears this!
I figured that a smaller scale(10 Q) quiz would be easier to handle, as for the rest it's pretty much as it has always been. Besides the rating which has changed to make things fairer for the posters - back then we had lots of posters waiting when the rounds begun. Activity is not the same so I figured I should reward more those who could not reply fast enough but had decent replies.
I was more thinking of the fact that answers were being corrected as they came out and went on until everything was answered. That being said, it IS fairer this way.
That last question is bollocks btw. You were thinking in a very down-to-earth way. Lore-wise, the entire H6 story is based around the hatred between angels and dark elementals (regardless of their attack type).
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War-overlord
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posted September 16, 2012 09:13 PM |
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Ok, guys feeling a little fluey tonight, so I'm gonna grade everyone's answer tomorrow.
Also, the hatred question was not from me, so don't blame me for it.
I will update this post with the scores tomorrow, pending that my nose isn't running like a Kenian in a marathon. And my head isn't pounding like the aforementioned marathon-runner's feet on the asphalt.
And for those who want to know. The reason why Orcs from the savage Islands cannot send a letter to Orcs in Ranaar is because they use different alphabets. Which you could have found out in the Fortunes of Captain Hack scenario. It's on a signpost there.
Though obviously, that fact was a little too obscure, so I'm gonna ease up a little next round.
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The_Polyglot
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posted September 16, 2012 09:17 PM |
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DLC-exclusive content, not fair to ask. 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 16, 2012 10:37 PM |
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Yes, my last question was rather vague despite the hints that it was gameplay-based. Will try to avoid similar misunderstandings in the future.
As for the letter question I was a bit surprised nobody thought of the different dialect/language even by taking random guesses But it gave a clear advantage to those who played the dlc so we'll try to avoid in the following rounds.
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posted September 17, 2012 03:07 AM |
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YOU ARE NOT GONNA MAKE ME READ ALL THIS! TAKE +3 AND GTFO!
What, you aren't going to read my in-depth strategy for each faction (besides stronghold)?  Thanks for the 3 points anyway. XD
I hope to participate in the future as well~
Also: Yes, DLC information (and Obscure DLC information at that) is not fair at all.
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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 17, 2012 08:22 AM |
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Yes it was not meant as a clear cut match but mentioning the elemental opposition is good enough for me. My answer was light(or glories) vs dark elementals as they play in pretty much the same way and have a weakness against the other.
Just to clarify:
Glories and Darkness Elementals are not the same case as Angels vs Devils or Titans vs Black Dragons.
All elementals have Elemental Affinity, which do +50% more damage from opposite element.
Glories have Vulnerable to Light - Vulnerable to Light/Dark/Air have only +25% more damage from that element.
So Glories will always have advantage over Darkness Elementals.
And as you can see, all elemental pairs do more damage against each other, not only Light vs Dark.
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 09:20 PM |
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Ok, so I'll make a new post with my additions to the score. I'll award 1 point to those who have named 3 or less heroes, 2 points if you've managed to find 4 or 5, 3 points for those who managed to come up with 6 or more and finally 4 points for that lucky contestant with the largest list. Provided you are correct.
Also to those who say that it is unfair to ask about lore from the DLC, I say it's publically available information. If you did not buy it, that is not realy my problem. If I am going to ask Heroes 6 lore questions, are you going to attack me about that too if you did not buy the game?
That being said, I'll stick to the main game for the next few round and I'm gonna talk to the big guy(Elvin) if maybes we cannot do this faction themed.
So, on with the scores.
@Polyglot: +2
- Those who complain the most loudly about the good old days? I know Raelag turns up at the end, so he's definitely old.
1 point
- Because they can't spell, and they would have nothing to say to them anyway. Also, postmen are unavailable.
1 point. Orcs can spell, but you are correct that there are not national postal services. But that never stopped people in ancient history of having a corrospondence, war or not. So that is not the reason.
@Dave Jame: +4
- Xana, Jezebeth, Lohrish, Realag, Ludmila, Deleb, Kha-Beleth, Vayer, Kasper, Nebiros.
+3 points
- Ever tried posting a letter thourgh an entire hostil kingdom?
+1 point. Same argument I gave above, though you're the first to bring up that there is a hostile region between them.
@Seddy +1
- Hmm, I'd say Raelag (since he appears at the end). But also Findan I think appeared... Biara obviously, as she's in both games, serving as a guide/nemesis.
+1. Though you may be right that Biara and Findan are over 400 years old, there is no foundation for that as they only appeared in heroes 5 and only in one timeframe.
@Avonu +4
- These which are by times of HV: Kha-Beleth, Xana, Kaspar, Ludmilla, Lorhish, Veyer, Nebiros, Deleb, Jezebeth, Lucretia and Giovanni from second DLC.
And in HVI: Sarah, Jorgen and Mukao (Faceless), Ishtvan (and his ghost), Tynan and Lamia
+4 for having the largest correct list. Though I cannot give you Jorgen and Mukao. Their being Faceless is not necessarily an indication of their age, same would go for Angels. (And even if it did mean that they were present during the Elder Wars, it would not change your score)
- They send but did you seen their spelling? None postman will ever know where is Rraaan.
No new or (semi)correct answers here.
@Gnomes +3
- Kaspar, the Wizard turned Necromancer because he desired immortality and wished to study the effects of the transformation. Also: Biara the demon guide/ villain, (Other demons: Kah-Beleth, Veyer, Nebiros, Grok and Marbas) and Realag
+2 I have yet to see evidence that either Grok or Marbas are older than 400, due to their only appearance being in Heroes 5.
- They don't really know/ care about the other orcs. Besides, they are sort of busy with their own problems at the moment, what with the humans invading their lands and all.
+1 for bringing up that they have better things to do due to their land being invaded.
@ Simpelicity +0
- There's no postal service........
No new or (semi)correct answers here.
@Lexxan +3
- Deleb, Grawl/Lorhish, Biara, Xana, Raelag, Nymus..... errr.... i guess that's it? Unless you count Kha-Beleth and all the Demon Lords. Or Sandro.
+3. There is no indication of Nymus ages.
- Because Orcs cannot write?
They can.
The full list of known heroes that are demonstrably older than 400 years: Kha-Beleth, Realag, Xana, Kaspar, Ludmilla, Lorhish (assuming he and Grawl are the same person), Veyer, Nebiros, Deleb, Jezebeth(Assuming she is the demonlady in Heroes 5), Lucretia, Giovanni, Sandro, Ishtvan, Tynan, Lamia, Tieru, Talanar and Eruina.
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posted September 17, 2012 09:49 PM |
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If I am going to ask Heroes 6 lore questions, are you going to attack me about that too if you did not buy the game?
If I don't buy the game, I'm also not going to be taking a quiz about it. Just sayin'...
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The_Polyglot
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posted September 17, 2012 09:54 PM |
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DLC questions mean that those who spent more money on the game gain an (unfair) advantage over those who didn't. Thus, it begins to resemble the Pay to Win model of gaming, which I despise.  Also, the rules specifically stated that looking up answers isn't allowed, so no DLC= no answers
(If a bloody war can't stop the letters, a different alphabet sure can't either. Show some love for polyglot Orcs )
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 09:59 PM |
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Still nobody got it right. Even those who had bought the DLC.
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Avonu
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posted September 17, 2012 10:25 PM |
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Their being Faceless is not necessarily an indication of their age, same would go for Angels. (And even if it did mean that they were present during the Elder Wars, it would not change your score
Again, just to clarify:
I don't know about Faceless, but it seems no new one was born since end of Elder Wars, so these few who still exist are not so young.
But for Angels - none was born since wars as Celestials start appears after Holy Falcon Empire was created and this way Sarah and Uriel ways to preserve their kind.
And now for Sarah - she was present during creation of Holy Falcon Empire and during Elder Wars. She is one of the oldest living Angels (read her bio). And other angel - Laurielle - says in Haven 3 mission, that she (Laurielle) is 23 centuries old, and Sarah is older.
HVI takes place 500+ years after creation of Holy Falcon Empire, so Sarah and Uriel are deffinitly more then 400 years old.
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The full list of known heroes that are demonstrably older than 400 years: Kha-Beleth, Xana, Kaspar, Ludmilla, Lorhish (assuming he and Grawl are the same person), Veyer, Nebiros, Deleb, Jezebeth(Assuming she is the demonlady in Heroes 5), Lucretia, Giovanni, Sandro, Ishtvan, Tynan, Lamia, Tieru, Talanar and Eruina.
As above, just to clarify:
You don't know, when Sandro died. He was killed by Cyrus, but as he is wizard, his lifespan could be longer then other mortals and he may defeted Sandro decades before CoH.
There was a text about that, during HV Sandro is dead from a long time but I can't tell you if this was official statement or some fans discussion about him on forums and conclusion from some texts in HV.
I think you misses also Tor-Belith (Inferno 1 mission) - he was an imp when Azkaal ruled that part of Sheogh.
Maybe also Hangvul (he was the Dwarf who started War under the Mountain in 684 YSS) and Ingvar.
And Raelag ofc.
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 10:40 PM |
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Again, just to clarify:
I don't know about Faceless, but it seems no new one was born since end of Elder Wars, so these few who still exist are not so young.
But for Angels - none was born since wars as Celestials start appears after Holy Falcon Empire was created and this way Sarah and Uriel ways to preserve their kind.
And now for Sarah - she was present during creation of Holy Falcon Empire and during Elder Wars. She is one of the oldest living Angels (read her bio). And other angel - Laurielle - says in Haven 3 mission, that she (Lauriele) is 23 centuries old, and Sarah is older.
HVI takes place 500+ years after creation of Holy Falcon Empire, so Sarah and Uriel are deffinitly more then 400 years old.
First, I counted Sarah as one of those heroes. But not Uriel, because you cannot play as him because he is a boss. The question was directed specifically at heroes.
Second, there may not have been a known birth by the times of Heroes 6, but that does not mean that Angels do not breed. They do, only very slowly. And seeing their numbers, they would appear to have found a way by the times of Heroes 5. Therefore a given Angel can be born later than the events.
Third,the Faceless, we do not know if they are able to breed. But I would say that it is highly unlikely that they cannot. Therefor being a Faceless does not automatically equals being born before the YSD. Their numbers never growing high may well be a concious choice. And given a lack of a discernable biography, we cannot determine the age of either Mukao or Jorgen.
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You don't know, when Sandro died. He was killed by Cyrus, but as he is wizard, his lifespan could be longer then other mortals and he may defeted Sandro decades before CoH.
There was a text about that, during HV Sandro is dead from a long time but I can't tell you if this was official statement or some fans discussion about him on forums and conclusion from some texts in HV.
I think you misses also Tor-Belith (Inferno 1 mission) - he was an imp when Azkaal ruled that part of Sheogh.
And Raelag ofc
I indeed missed Realag, that is fixed.
Sandro's age is calculable. Sandro was borne before the discovery of Necromancy, which is in 461 YSD.(According to the datamined and Void Chronicles Bio)As he was both the student and friend of Belketh. What we do know is that he was well alive after the Griffin Family took the Imperial throne, because he was the Mentor of Markal. And both Markal and Cyrus were only apprenticed during the times of Clash of Heroes which is in 929 YSD. I.E. Sandro must be over 400 years old.
I do not remember Tor-Belith. If he was a hero, then he should be on the list, even if it is a moot point now.
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Elvin
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posted September 17, 2012 10:47 PM |
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Avonu
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posted September 17, 2012 10:54 PM |
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First, I counted Sarah as one of those heroes.
Check your hero list then.
As for Faceless agree, but we know, that only a few of them survived and are present on Ashan.
I hope we will know more about them soon.
About Angels - their souls were trapped in Hall of Memories. When Giffins destroyed it, they returned to Elrath and probably were able to (re)born again.
And Uriel is a boss ofc, so agree.
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And both Markal and Cyrus were only apprenticed during the times of Clash of Heroes which is in 929 YSD. I.E. Sandro must be over 400 years old.
Cyrus was an apprentice but not Markal IIRC. He was full necromacer. And being apprentice didn't mean that he cannot kill Sandro. We should know more details soon enough. I hope.
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I do not remember Tor-Belith. If he was a hero, then he should be on the list, even if it is a moot point now.
He was a hero (you need to defeat him to get Souldrinker).
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 11:00 PM |
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Cyrus was an apprentice but not Markal IIRC. He was full necromacer. And being apprentice didn't mean that he cannot kill Sandro.
Nontheless, Cyrus killed Sandro after he became First of Circle. At the time he was not first of the Circle.
Both Hangvul and Ingvar were present during the War under the Mountain. However, that was in 586, if we take the events of Heroes 5 as the set year 969, which we have so far, we can only demonstrate them to be at least 383.
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Avonu
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posted September 17, 2012 11:03 PM |
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Nontheless, Cyrus killed Sandro after he became First of Circle.
Do you have any quote for that? Because:
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Markal needs to find Cyrus in the magical reality of the Ring of the Unrepentant, defeat him, and capture this last element of the Vampire's Garment. He has not forgotten that it was Cyrus's troops who occupied Heresh and killed his master, Sandro.
No word about Cyrus being First of Circle during those times.
And other First of Circle - Maahir - defeated Zoltan and killed Belketh before he become First of Circle. In fact, these deeds are what gave him First of Circle title.
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Both Hangvul and Ingvar were present during the War under the Mountain. However, that was in 586, if we take the events of Heroes 5 as the set year 969, which we have so far, we can only demonstrate them to be at least 383.
They both are old enough to have some positions in Dwarves ranks.
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 11:09 PM |
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Yes I have. In the Ashan Compendium (page 58) it is stated that after Nadia died, despite the emotional trauma, Cyrus remained a powerfull wizard and managed to defeat the Great Lich Sandro.
Edit: Also note that is says Defeat, not Killed. And without knowing this fact you could have deducted and calculated Sandro's age in 929 to be over 480.
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Avonu
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posted September 17, 2012 11:12 PM |
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OK, that's fine for me. For now at least.
EDIT:
During HV Sandro is dead, final dead (as Markal said). Unless Ubisoft retconned their own lore... again.
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War-overlord
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posted September 17, 2012 11:15 PM |
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OK, that's fine for me. For now at least.
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During HV Sandro is dead, final dead (as Markal said). Unless Ubisoft retcon their own lore... again.
Given the love for Sandro, they just might.
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