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Celfious
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posted September 27, 2013 08:00 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 22:51, 17 Oct 2013.
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What if the government shut down opperations?
Coincidentally the government did shut down shortly after this moreso fictional thread was created. It seems the thread title has inspired a factual and opinion based discussion starting all the way at the bottom of this page. Thanks have a nice day
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What do you think would happen in any scenario where your societies government abandoned its structure? Develop a scenario if you wish, and explain the dynamics of what you think would happen if the Government shut down
For instance with the USA: (example questions)
What would happen due to our trillions of debt to others?
What about those of our community that the government owes?
What would happen with the lessor branches of government?
What would happen with people who collect welfare, food stamps, medicaid?
Would the federal employes somehow still be paid?
Police/military??? Firemen?
How would paychecks look after "taxes?"
Would we rely on news media to aid in restoration of a new maybe even temporary government?
Plenty more questions.
How hard would it be for a government to shut down operations?
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posted September 27, 2013 04:03 PM |
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It seems to me like every country owes money, but who the **** do they owe? Each other? That's impossible.
After I inquired about this to one of my economist teachers, he said he has no idea, and that this money "doesn't exist".
My idea is that basically governments spent imaginary money in return for real things, however the people who were in control of this imaginary money were banks, so there's naturally interest added to it, and now it is us who are trying to pay off this debt.
I would personally just liquidate the debt.
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posted September 27, 2013 04:47 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
It seems to me like every country owes money, but who the **** do they owe? Each other? That's impossible.
After I inquired about this to one of my economist teachers, he said he has no idea, and that this money "doesn't exist".
My idea is that basically governments spent imaginary money in return for real things, however the people who were in control of this imaginary money were banks, so there's naturally interest added to it, and now it is us who are trying to pay off this debt.
I would personally just liquidate the debt.
Maybe we could liquidate banks while we're at it.
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posted September 27, 2013 07:43 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
It seems to me like every country owes money, but who the **** do they owe? Each other? That's impossible.
private banks.
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After I inquired about this to one of my economist teachers, he said he has no idea, and that this money "doesn't exist".
I don't know what he means exactly, but you could say it's true yes.
Tsar-Ivor said:
My idea is that basically governments spent imaginary money in return for real things, however the people who were in control of this imaginary money were banks, so there's naturally interest added to it, and now it is us who are trying to pay off this debt.
I don't know what you call "imaginary money". most of the money only exists in computers, and isn't backed up by anything. bills and coins represent less than 10%.
money is created when people get loans from banks. but with interests rate, people owe more money than what was created, so people have to contract new debts, to add enough money in the economy to pay their old debts. kind of a ponzi scheme.
I think that's also what they call growth. when they say the debt have to be reduced and we need more growth, that makes no sense, unless you exploit some third world country and they get to pay the debt while you benefit from the growth it creates.
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posted September 28, 2013 06:42 AM |
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Well I was thinking general chaos and stuff. There are a lot of possibilities. I dont know what would happen to the neighborhoods. If the government quit on us it would probably mean police would not get paid and stop working.
Paper money would probably become pointless thanks to strong armed criminals who would cause strong armed actions from everyone else in a panic,
I really wouldn't see much possibility for things to get back in order, as far as an authoritative enforcement / organizer.
maybe this is to sifi for discussion.
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posted September 28, 2013 10:24 AM |
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Paper money would probably become pointless
It's pointless right now too  , we just grew up thinking otherwise.
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posted September 28, 2013 05:41 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 17:50, 28 Sep 2013.
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chaos? don't think so. or at least not more than it is now. there is a risk that police would stop working due to not being paid anymore, but I guess big corporations would soon buy them. the army may become mercenary as well, which really wouldn't make much difference with what we have today...
do you mean money would become obsolete or only bills? since money is created by private banks, this is unlikely. governments are the biggest money buyers, and they can force tax on poor people when banks are near bankruptcy. but if you remove the governement, there isn't the smokescreen anymore between the population and those who really take the decision. I guess they would quickly come with a new system that keeps on protecting their interests.
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posted September 28, 2013 08:03 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
It's pointless right now too , we just grew up thinking otherwise.
So if you go to the store, they won't take your paper money in exchange for goods? That's nice to know.
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posted September 28, 2013 08:26 PM |
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It used to be paper bank notes in exchange for gold, banks snagged gold and we kept the paper.
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So if you go to the store, they won't take your paper money in exchange for goods? That's nice to know.
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It's only technically worth something because everyone thinks it does, but everyone living a lie doesn't make it true.
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posted September 28, 2013 08:49 PM |
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If it has value because people treat it as having value... it has value. You can exchange it for stuff, which is why it's valuable.
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Celfious
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posted September 29, 2013 12:01 AM |
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at this time money can get me anything thats for sale in the neighborhood that I am aware of. If the government bailed on us somehow or another, I feel money could become worthless within a few months. Within a few days at best if the police stopped working
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posted September 29, 2013 12:45 AM |
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no, since the money comes from private banks and they have huge interests. why would they cease their activities if the government disappears?
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posted September 29, 2013 12:56 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 01:01, 29 Sep 2013.
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Need the police to maintain the streets during an eminent pandemic.
This scenario is with federal government quitting. Federal funding would cease then federal employees would quit. Not sure how the law enforcement is paid but my guess the courts and police would take enough impact to break. Either way it goes without federal government I have a feeling it would end up pretty bad, the people in the neighborhoods we considered so moral would defend their interests sometimes with murders and taking everything they can get before others would.
I am not sure if anything like this has ever happened. It is a pretty far fetched 'what if'.
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posted September 29, 2013 01:05 AM |
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I think it depends on the execution. The US is such a huge and influential country so I imagine that a transistion where all services are taken over by the private sector would take a very long time.
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posted September 29, 2013 01:12 AM |
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posted September 29, 2013 01:34 AM |
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The Paris Commune replaced one government with another. Which is a probable outcome if government shut down. I think a lot of people feel safety in being controlled to some degree. Perhaps several governments would rise from the ashes, especially in a large, decentralised country like the US.
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posted September 29, 2013 10:22 AM |
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the streets of london will be littered with lords...
It'll be like shawn of the dead with out of touch rich people.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 29, 2013 11:04 AM |
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Lords? You mean gang bosses?!
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Celfious
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posted September 30, 2013 09:20 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 22:18, 30 Sep 2013.
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I had no idea the federal government is potentially shutting down as I made this thread..
This is not an immediate apocalyptic kind of threat though, if they don't come up with a plan tonight they will shut down and many "non essential" federal operations and positions will temporarily be shut down, until/if they come up with some kind of plan.
This is ****ing ridiculous, and people feel voting will help. Using the provisions of this system is not going to fix the system. We vote on bickering fools who have not made a solid overall plan since the civil war maybe... We vote on these worthless politicians who get life time of incentives that make them carefree about money and healthcare.
At this moment, I despise the pathetic system that runs over our country... This is non functional. This is disgraceful. We are not a model for democracy!
Maybe ill vote next year?? Psh
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posted October 17, 2013 02:26 AM |
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I don't think the world has ever known such a collection of absolute idiots like the current US Congress. Right now the Senate is hosting a celebration that might as well include noisemakers and confetti and earlier House Speaker John Boehner was seen pumping his fist as though he were a high school Freshman having just landed a date with the Prom Queen. WTF is wrong with these people? ABCNews' headline is "Senate Approves Fiscal Compromise". Earlier House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi described Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's negotiating of the compromise to be nothing short of 'masterful', both 'intellectually' and 'politically'.
And what the hell was this masterful compromise, you ask? Just an agreement to put everything on hold for another three months and argue about it all over again in January. Oh, right, and a promise to form a committee to address the budget problems. This is the best they could do after 16 days of a government shutdown.
Yes, masterful indeed, Nancy. Masterful indeed.
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