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posted April 25, 2019 03:14 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 22:57, 25 Apr 2019.
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Geny said:
and even on ladder there are decent cheap decks, usually in the form of zoo and aggro.
Yeah, for instance this RegisKillbin cheap decklists.
Personally I think making Classic free would do the job. They don't even need to add the Legendaries, I think all Commons + Rares and 1 of each Epic is reasonable. They can even make a HoF dust refund for those players who already have Classic cards, cut the refund by half if that would be too "generous"...
Although I think Blizzard does not earn money on older sets packs to begin with. People usually buy the preorder deals, that is their main source of paid content. That and Adventures. I highly doubt many people buy Wild-only packs, maybe only if they have a lot of money on their hands and/or are completionists. The issue here would be to somehow compensate those players who sticked with the game since long time ago... or change the dust return ratios.
EDIT: So I crafted Blastmaster Boom and Wrenchcalibur. Ofc this is because I wanted to play Bomb Warrior. I feel awful, but at the same time the deck is fun, no wonder it's popular. Before you judge me I simply wanted to make use of some of the cards I've been keeping like Seaforium Bomber, Omega Devastator or 2x Augumented Elekk and thsi was a perfect spot for them. I think it's not about the strenght of Bombs even, but the fact that Mech Warrior became so strong in general. A simple Zilliax + Sweeping Strikes combo is already a very strong comeback mechanic, not to mention Dr. Boom Hero card or the fact that the curve is also very solid now.
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posted April 26, 2019 08:45 AM |
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Just because a deck is strong, doesn't mean it's oppressive like the Jade Druid of old or frustrating to play against like the milliard OTK decks we had before the year of the Dragon. Bomb warrior is not that bad compared to some things we've seen in the past.
In fact, is there a deck right now that can honestly be called toxic?
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posted April 26, 2019 09:16 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 09:29, 26 Apr 2019.
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Geny said:
In fact, is there a deck right now that can honestly be called toxic?
I think Token Druid is pretty close. It's very hard to stop the Treant wave once it starts rollin'. It's one of those "you win at turn 3-5 decks". Some nostalgic FoN + Savage Roar vibes here. Ahh, "good" ol' oppressive times. But that is my own experience of playing it, I don't know the winrates.
Bomb Warrior is not oppressive, I agree. It has a problem with draw for instance, in a few matches I was on a defensive through the whole match and couldn't even set up Blastmaster before it was too late. For instance it's not as easy to set-up Elekk + Clockwork Goblin combo as it might seem. I don't feel the same power level of "every card counts" like in Even Shaman or Zoolock, in tehse decks whatever card I draw it is a threat and can be usually played instantly. BW is fun nevertheless.
PS: Yay Bunnyhoppor once again spams free packs for me 
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posted April 26, 2019 09:56 AM |
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Yeah, I thought about Token Druid as well. If it draws the right cards it's very scary and even if it doesn't, it's still powerful. But I don't feel like it is as ridiculous as some other decks have been. There are legitimate ways to deal with it. It's still early in the expansion (and the year) to make any conclusions, but it feels to me that Hearthstone became more fun recently.
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posted April 26, 2019 10:41 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 10:45, 26 Apr 2019.
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Geny said:
Yeah, I thought about Token Druid as well. If it draws the right cards it's very scary and even if it doesn't, it's still powerful. But I don't feel like it is as ridiculous as some other decks have been.There are legitimate ways to deal with it.
It's the closest atm, we need to observe it. Remember how Odd Paladin was holding once people refined it? Even nerfs couldn't help. And it's also a deck that is based on spamming the board with countless waves of tokens, has a quick way to rebuild the board and can swing with things like Savage Roar.
Geny said:
It's still early in the expansion (and the year) to make any conclusions, but it feels to me that Hearthstone became more fun recently.
Oh yeah, I enjoy a good diversity of fun decks, and I don't meet much oppressiveness in matches. Khadgar Mage, Lackey Rouge or Bomb Warrior (not to mention my refined Dragon Pala or Murloc Shaman) are some of the more fun decks I've played in a while. Good time to play the game.
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posted April 26, 2019 02:23 PM |
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posted April 27, 2019 03:04 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 15:07, 27 Apr 2019.
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I know Priest is not in a good spot when it comes to the meta, but in Wild I think it got a little bit out of control. I'm talking about "Big Priest" and Ressurect Priest" variants. This whole resurrect mechanic needs to be nerfed to the ground as it is plain opressive in this mode. First the spells cheat out minions from the deck. When it happens to summon Vargoth, the spell is immidiately doubled. At the beginning there were only a handful ways to resurrect minions. But now Priests additionaly got Muerte and Mass Resurrection. There is simply no way to win such a board if it starts rolling... I think Priest as a class is the best example of how "everything goes" policy of Wild mode can get out of hand.
PS: If possible I would remove the class in its entieriety from the game...
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posted April 27, 2019 07:09 PM |
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From what I gather, Viper made it through the group stage. Bunnyhoppor as well with an even better performance. I wonder who's going to go farther, who's going to get more packs. A lot is on the line here.
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posted April 28, 2019 09:01 AM |
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So now it's gonna be Bunnyhoppor vs. Viper.
May the best pack giver win.
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posted April 28, 2019 09:06 AM |
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So how many do we get at this stage? Three?
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posted April 28, 2019 10:42 AM |
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Edited by Geny at 10:49, 28 Apr 2019.
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I think it's three now and four for whoever goes to the finals.
Btw, I don't really follow the action of the tournament, but I got to see bloodyface vs. hunterace just now and the last game was crazy. Mage vs. Shaman with some crazy and unexpected swings that went all the way into fatigue.
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posted April 28, 2019 10:52 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 12:24, 28 Apr 2019.
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Geny said:
I think it's three now and four for whoever goes to the finals.
Yeah, that is the logical assumption.
Met another sick Priest combo today, in Standard this time around. And again with the resurrect mechanic being the main centerpiece. Summon a Vargoth. Resurrect him if dead. Use PW: Replicate -> the effect doubles with Vargoth. If Vargoths die, use Mass Resurrection. A board full of Vargoths. Now you only need to play Mind Blast...
Lol.
EDIT: LOL. Dat 3-2 Viper win, so quick... Hyena OP. Cancer decks win, as always.
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posted April 28, 2019 12:24 PM |
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posted April 28, 2019 12:28 PM |
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Stevie said:
Guys? Predictions? 
Losing to the newbie? Veteran pride?
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Meh, 3 packs is good. Especially because usually there's the "crowd favorite" curse thing.
You know who the winner is? RNG gods.
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posted April 28, 2019 12:38 PM |
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I am sorry, I can't really hear you over these packs showering over me.
Okay, I guess that's enough. I am just kidding. 
I only got to see the last two games. Couldn't afford more mobile data. Game 4 went really close, Viper was almost coming back, until Bunnyhoppor top decked that one extra damage and sealed the deal. Game 5 was Viper just getting out of hand, having a huge hyena and mage having no answers. It was ruthless. But I'm glad he advanced, I hope he takes it all.
So now who are you guys cheering for?
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posted April 28, 2019 01:13 PM |
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I'm just happy Bunnyhoppor didn't let me down the same way Kolento once did when he didn't even got through the group stage one tournament after winning.
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posted April 28, 2019 02:25 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 14:45, 28 Apr 2019.
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Geny said:
I'm just happy Bunnyhoppor didn't let me down the same way Kolento once did when he didn't even got through the group stage one tournament after winning.
The list is longer: Thijs, Pavel etc. So am happy that at least Bunny made overall 7 packs for me.
@Stevie
Who am I'm chearing? Lol, I'm not interested in HCT, "I'm only here for the packs". Watched Bunny-Viper cus I have the Twitch stream open almost all the time either way (more potential random free packs from watching). It's not even that interesting, decks are similiar and the winner is the one who highrolls the most... sorry, that is just how I see it. I know there is skill in Hearthstone, and that many games are won by good predictions and strategy, but in tight games it's RNG that is the deciding factor, and the final match between those two Germans shows this explicitly...
EDIT: You see what I mean? Hunterace won first match cus he RNG'd Explosive Trap while having 1 HP. Where's the skill in that?
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posted April 28, 2019 03:00 PM |
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Well, you're preaching to the choir. At high level where decks are similar and skill is the same, it's the roll of the dice that decides the winner. I knew that for a very long time and it was part of the reason why I started playing a different CCG years back (also because of the economy and mechanics). Every game has its share of luck involved, but Hearthstone errs on the side of RNG way more by comparison. That's just how it is and you have to accept it. The game has its charm but can also be frustrating at times, the sooner one makes peace with it the better.
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posted April 28, 2019 03:15 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:31, 28 Apr 2019.
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Stevie said:
That's just how it is and you have to accept it. The game has its charm but can also be frustrating at times, the sooner one makes peace with it the better.
Oh I've accepted it. If you knew this thread from a few years back I had some really serious tackles with a now MIA user Abaddon about my ranting when it comes to RNG in this game. Since then I have a better understanding of how this games works on competetive level, but I still have my own views on the matter.
Now I just roll my eyes whenever I see the RNG clown fiesta, and find the game fun on casual and flavor level (I still think it is the best combination of both on the market), as I have no time for something more...
BTW: Hunter is so strong, yet again...
EDIT: I must say: the final match of HCT Taipei 2019 was an RNG festa, but in a good way. Truly epic final with many turn-arounds. Glad I watched it!
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posted April 28, 2019 04:33 PM |
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