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posted March 01, 2014 07:51 PM |
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VOKIALBG said:
And I pity the Ukraine guys that did this just for the sake of EU. EU stinks. I won't get into details. It only harm the poor states of Europe.
Everyone knows it already, but they're too thickskulled to see this.
Our economy for example has been declining, people fleeing from here like rats from a sinking vessel(most of them are white trash losers anyway, but a lot of skilled craftsmen fled as well) even an instalation of something as simple as a kid's playground in a public park requiress a "EU funded project" which cash goes down in the pockets of the morons running it. and so on...
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posted March 01, 2014 08:00 PM |
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xerox said:
Gas is becoming less of a problem. European countries are actively trying to become less dependent on it and Russia has zero interest in losing important consumers that support its rather weak economy. Obama can do a lot more than just wave fingers at the rising imperialism of Russia.
it's one of the reason of the wars in the middle east. they want to build a pipeline from Qatar if I remember well (possibly from egypt too?) that will go through turkey to concurrence russia.
Irak, Iran and Syria had an accord to make their own pipeline from Syria to Europe and it got in the way of US plans.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:00 PM |
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I'm so fed up with this "oh, democracy's so bad, democracy's just a show, it's all the same game" crap. Reminds me of a spoiled brat who keeps trying to accuse his parents for the luxury he's in. There are still enough theocracies/dictatorships/totalitarian regimes in this world of ours, I dont see any of you guys packing your bags and getting ready to leave. On the contrary, some of you are complaining about the immigrants who are running away to get into democracies. Yes, democracy is not perfect and yes, in every country there is a level of politics that is beyond the public's reach. That level of politics is not government politics but state politics, it's usually built upon decades and it specializes in international affairs. But come on! Is there one person here who will object to the fact that life quality really IS better in first world countries which somehow all happen to be democracies? So unless you are a sheikh or some oligarch, shut up about how awful democracy is because it is the best humanity could come up with as of now and I dont see any alternative that doesnt correspond to fairy land from you guys.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:02 PM |
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I dont see any of you guys packing your bags and getting ready to leave
seriously? I hear people are fleeing europe, like spanishs and portugueses going to brazil.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:06 PM |
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And is Brazil a dictatorship?
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posted March 01, 2014 08:08 PM |
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artu said:
I'm so fed up with this "oh, democracy's so bad, democracy's just a show, it's all the same game" crap. Reminds me of a spoiled brat who keeps trying to accuse his parents for the luxury he's in. There are still enough theocracies/dictatorships/totalitarian regimes in this world of ours, I dont see any of you guys packing your bags and getting ready to leave. On the contrary, some of you are complaining about the immigrants who are running away to get into democracies. Yes, democracy is not perfect and yes, in every country there is a level of politics that is beyond the public's reach. That level of politics is not government politics but state politics, it's usually built upon decades and it specializes in international affairs. But come on! Is there one person here who will object to the fact that life quality really IS better in first world countries which somehow all happen to be democracies? So unless you are a sheikh or some oligarch, shut up about how awful democracy is because it is the best humanity could come up with as of now and I dont see any alternative that doesnt correspond to fairy land from you guys.
Republics.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:09 PM |
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Democracy is only as good as the voters, and often worse. Democracies are better than dictatorships, but I wonder to what extent we observe that because the voters in democracies are themselves more liberal than the typical dictator. When this isn't the case, such as in the elections in Egypt, voters perform as poorly as dictators, they just aren't given a chance to show how bad they are because they elect actual dictators. (See also Germany 1933, where much of the vote went to Hitler or to the Communists.) It's true that current democracies are better than current dictatorships, but which way does causation run? Are democratic countries better because they're democratic, or are better countries more democratic because they're better? I suspect the effect goes both ways.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:15 PM |
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Dude, for the hunderth time, democracy isn't majority can vote out minority about every fundamental right. That is ancient. Egypt isnt a democracy, if anything, Egypt is walking in baby-steps towards democracy, quite superficially I might add.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:16 PM |
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The USA is still the no 1 military super power, but not really as dominant as it used to be. Their naval power is crap now, all they really have is an air force that can refuel itself in the air using fueling planes or whatever they re called.
Russia knows this and developed mach 9 or something anti air missiles to which the US responded with anti, anti air missiles ( lol ) in which the tip drops down before activating their guidance to aim at that said Russian anti air missile, which isn't actually tested in the field.
USA can currently produce 2 or so of those F 22 super top grade jets per month ( and could produce more but that would mean admitting to their fat citizens that it's time to work for real ) and I'm pretty sure that Russia can produce a lot more of their top grade anti air missile.
Somehow, if USA tried to attack Russia without using nukes, I have a feeling that given the size of Russia, Russians could deal a major economical blow to the US air fleet on the long run.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:23 PM |
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artu said:
Dude, for the hunderth time, democracy isn't majority can vote out minority about every fundamental right. That is ancient.
IT IS EXACTLY THAT!
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posted March 01, 2014 08:24 PM |
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@Kayna
Even if we assume that what you say is true, what makes you think that America has any say in what goes down on the Russian border (Crimea/Ukraine), some, if not most would argue that it's not within their jurisdiction.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:27 PM |
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artu said:
Dude, for the hunderth time, democracy isn't majority can vote out minority about every fundamental right.
That's what democracy is. To the extent that rights aren't up for vote, it's not a democracy. But that aside, even if some fundamental rights aren't up for vote, voters can still elect incompetent, populist, or otherwise bad politicians who pursue bad policies, such as if they vote on whom they'd like to have a beer with (see George W. Bush), if they're misled into feeling threatened, if they simply have false beliefs about the effects of policies, etc.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:30 PM |
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Even if they had a say in it they wouldn't resort to direct military action. There are more than 2 super power and they all know that the winner would be the one that let the others attack and weaken each other first. It's the base of many international politics.
Basic Risk board game knowledge LOL.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:33 PM |
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artu said:
I'm so fed up with this "oh, democracy's so bad, democracy's just a show, it's all the same game" crap. Reminds me of a spoiled brat who keeps trying to accuse his parents for the luxury he's in. There are still enough theocracies/dictatorships/totalitarian regimes in this world of ours, I dont see any of you guys packing your bags and getting ready to leave. On the contrary, some of you are complaining about the immigrants who are running away to get into democracies. Yes, democracy is not perfect and yes, in every country there is a level of politics that is beyond the public's reach. That level of politics is not government politics but state politics, it's usually built upon decades and it specializes in international affairs. But come on! Is there one person here who will object to the fact that life quality really IS better in first world countries which somehow all happen to be democracies? So unless you are a sheikh or some oligarch, shut up about how awful democracy is because it is the best humanity could come up with as of now and I dont see any alternative that doesnt correspond to fairy land from you guys.
i've already stated, many times before, that even though democratic freedom is a lie, that i wouldn't live anywhere else, because other places aren't better than where i live. the united states is supposed to be an exception. we're SUPPOSED to be the shining light for humanity. we're not, which is why i ***** about it. i think humanity can do better than it is now. that's all i ever say, regarding politics and the human race. there's nothing fantastic about it.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:34 PM |
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Democracy is really good at creating pragmatic solutions that most people atleast can accept. But of course, as we have seen in many new democracies such as Ukraine, there needs to be a sharp division of power aswell as a free media to uncover the corruption that plagues these countries so much.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:46 PM |
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in France there is actually a group of several thousands people who are for an athenian-like democracy, with sortition instead of election and lots of controls. they believe that elections favorise the richs, who can buy the medias for their campaign.
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posted March 01, 2014 08:48 PM |
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then why do you have a socialist president who implemented crazy high taxes on the rich?
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posted March 01, 2014 08:48 PM |
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VOKIALBG said:
And I pity the Ukraine guys that did this just for the sake of EU. EU stinks. I won't get into details. It only harm the poor states of Europe.
Maybe because the poor states still don't realize why they became poor? Maybe they just don't want to evolve? Just look at greece. The people there just used all methods to not pay any taxes...and now they wonder why the whole country is bancrupt.
Just imagine where they would be now if they would have stayed outside of the EU...and there are more examples, especially in eastern europe...
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posted March 01, 2014 08:54 PM |
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fred79 said:
i've already stated, many times before, that even though democratic freedom is a lie, that i wouldn't live anywhere else, because other places aren't better than where i live. the united states is supposed to be an exception. we're SUPPOSED to be the shining light for humanity. we're not, which is why i ***** about it. i think humanity can do better than it is now. that's all i ever say, regarding politics and the human race. there's nothing fantastic about it.
That's because the US went from being a republic to a democracy. Heck, shining light?! You guys are in total pitch darkness and you don't even have a clue. 99% 'muricans still think the country's constitution is the one the founding fathers signed, or that the Federal Reserve is the state bank, or the IRS, or 9/11, or the communist politics... You guys don't even know your own history which is more or less about 400 years. Not to mention you don't even take classes in Logic or study the Law. You should take arms and fight the Gov, that's your only solution right now. And it'll happen, sooner or later, maybe at the next depression when things'll just collapse...
But hey, all hail democracy. Look at all the freedom and advancements and life quality...
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posted March 01, 2014 08:57 PM |
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@Angelito: It's not like the people don't want to evolve. we have some elite pricks sitting at the top over and over and over the snow again, every single term 'cause you do not vote for the individual, you vote for the "list", and those atop the list always get the warm seat at the parliament.
What Lithuanians did with the "land Refferendum" showcased our goverment's true face. People said what they want, they are doing everything in their power to stop it. a swine will always want to keep it's place at the feeding tray, I say.
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