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artu
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posted March 21, 2014 12:48 AM |
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Twitter getting censored
Just after having the conversation below, I learned in some parts of Turkey and under some network services, people can not connect to Twitter unless they change their DNS. There is an official page saying the connection has been disabled by the verdict of the court.(I can visit the site just fine.)
xerox said:
I just read that Turkish PM Erdogan shut down Twitter following accusations of corruption. Like that's going to make him look less corrupt?
I can't believe how dumb so many of these authoritarian leaders such as Erdogan and Yanukovych are. Apparently, power doesn't just have the potential to make you a corrupt dickhead. It has the potential to dumb you down aswell.
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He didn't shut it down but he said "twitter-mwitter, we will wipe them all out."
Right now, nobody thinks he will actually do that but of course, that doesn't prevent us from realizing that he is exceeding himself in being the dickhead he is.
The thing is, since AKP is in a fight with the Gulen movement, they have been putting telephone conversations of ministers, Erdogan himself, business men, bureaucrats, ally journalists on a daily basis. There are like 50 of them by now, I guess. All of these (to be fair, illegal) recordings are scandalous, presenting bribes, bullying of the press, Erdogan directly asking writers to get fired and so on. Erdogan's political response is to claim, this is a post-modern, technological coup and the social media is where these recordings are circulating.
In a Nordic country, I guess, 1 percent of what's been outed would cause the government to resign immediately. But hey, you'll never get bored reading the papers in Turkey!
mvassilev said:
What is the Gulen Movement?
artu said:
Wiki
Although, it's not completely beyond reach, the goverment is actually trying to silence Twitter.
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fred79
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posted March 21, 2014 12:50 AM |
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good for them. 
it's about time government stepped in, and actually tried to help people. 
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posted March 21, 2014 12:51 AM |
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Twitter is a great thing if you know how to use it properly. If you follow boring and dumb people, you'll have boring and dumb tweets, but that's no argument against Twitter.
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fred79
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posted March 21, 2014 12:59 AM |
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lol, all the links to the logo i try posting won't show up on hc. that's neat.
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xerox
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posted March 21, 2014 07:49 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 08:00, 21 Mar 2014.
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Twitter is amazing. Never have top politicans been more accessable. Just yesterday I was asking one of our MEPs (Members of European Parliament) about free trade and how to deal with the EU agricultural subsidies (basically they can't be removed because each, individual member state has a veto on it but the amount of money the EU spends on them can be reduced after budget negotiations between the Commission and Parliament).
As for Erdogan, I think a problem in relatively new democracies like Turkey is the (understandable) lack of a democratic tradition. Things like trying to censure the social media would never be tolerated in a Western country. Erdogan seems to remain fairly popular but maybe that's largely due to the economy doing well under his adminstration (I think?). People in relatively poor countries tend to care more about material issues related to the economy than human and democratic rights. I think the long term solution is to focus on growing the economy so that you develop a large middle class. When the material needs aren't as urgent, people are likely to start putting more energy into their democratic and human rights.
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artu
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posted March 21, 2014 08:41 AM |
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I, myself, am terrible with numbers and don't know much about finance. Economy today is something quite abstract, some numbers and ratios moving from one side to another. So, with that, and the polarization here so dense, economists that support the government say we're top notch and everything is stably improving and the ones against the government keep saying that's just some bogus bs that only works on paper and in fact production has stopped and "the current deficit" is going worse etc etc...
There is a %15-20 percentage of the population that will vote for Erdogan no matter what because they see him as the great leader who turned Turkey's face back to Islamic values and all that non-sense. Other than that, yes, in small town Anatolian zones, people simply vote for him cause their life standards have grown better over the ten years. They don't care about his authoritarianism growing stronger each and every day, some even think that's the way a leader should be. And I'm not talking about "oh, democracy is so terrible darling" Volcanic Wasteland yakety yak... Culturally, their idea of a leader is someone you obey without questioning.
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posted March 21, 2014 02:15 PM |
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Edited by ihor at 14:16, 21 Mar 2014.
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I think the main reason of that is Twitter helps people self-organize very very quickly. It was used a lot during previous protests against Erdogan in Turkey, right? From what I am confident, during the protests in Ukraine, when government stopped subway in Kyiv to restrict access to the center of the city, people used #gettomaidan hashtag massively, to come there or to help others. Twitter also gives access to truth in society which is covered by propaganda.
It looks like Erdogan is afraid...
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artu
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posted March 21, 2014 07:31 PM |
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posted March 21, 2014 08:28 PM |
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I recently watched a documentary about the arab spring, and social media in general was credited much for those events.
Do I guess after that 15yo kid got killed by the cops that Turkeys ruling douches are really sh!tting their pants now. My guess is that they're gonna tackle facebook next.
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fred79
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posted March 21, 2014 08:35 PM |
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twitter is pointless at talking about "truth". all governments are corrupt and will lie, no matter what any common idiot thinks. what twitter IS, is a way for people to talk about inane things, brag about dumb ****, etc. it's not much better than the "rant" section of craigslist, or even 4chan, ffs.
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seraphim
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posted March 21, 2014 09:08 PM |
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artu said:
I, myself, am terrible with numbers and don't know much about finance. Economy today is something quite abstract, some numbers and ratios moving from one side to another. So, with that, and the polarization here so dense, economists that support the government say we're top notch and everything is stably improving and the ones against the government keep saying that's just some bogus bs that only works on paper and in fact production has stopped and "the current deficit" is going worse etc etc...
There is a %15-20 percentage of the population that will vote for Erdogan no matter what because they see him as the great leader who turned Turkey's face back to Islamic values and all that non-sense. Other than that, yes, in small town Anatolian zones, people simply vote for him cause their life standards have grown better over the ten years. They don't care about his authoritarianism growing stronger each and every day, some even think that's the way a leader should be. And I'm not talking about "oh, democracy is so terrible darling" Volcanic Wasteland yakety yak... Culturally, their idea of a leader is someone you obey without questioning.
Just take a Economy for dummies book, read 200 pages and you will get the basic understanding of economy.
Economy isnt hard to understand. Things become easier if you use a glossary aswell. THere are so many terms, but the things they mean are rather simple.
Then, if you have a law book or law codex, take it aswell. Then you will understand the billions of ways your government is screwing you over.
I find it extremely funny how erdogan sees social media as a threat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS4Xkwiuk0Q
A good recap on Erdogan.
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Fauch
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posted March 22, 2014 12:45 AM |
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ihor said:
I think the main reason of that is Twitter helps people self-organize very very quickly. It was used a lot during previous protests against Erdogan in Turkey, right? From what I am confident, during the protests in Ukraine, when government stopped subway in Kyiv to restrict access to the center of the city, people used #gettomaidan hashtag massively, to come there or to help others. Twitter also gives access to truth in society which is covered by propaganda.
It looks like Erdogan is afraid...
I'm not sure all those protests are just people self-organizing on mass networks. it may be in some cases, I suppose occupy wall street was something like that, but such movements are unlikely to have clear goals. you will just have thousands of angry people in the streets who all have different ideas. to overthrow a government, for example, you need a better organization, that may be hard to reach through social networks only.
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artu
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posted March 22, 2014 02:32 AM |
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Crowds don't have to be as organized as revolution level to cause distress to governments, Fauch. They are big, walking signs of dissatisfaction and authority don't like that.
Fred said:
what twitter IS, is a way for people to talk about inane things, brag about dumb ****, etc. it's not much better than the "rant" section of craigslist, or even 4chan, ffs.
Twitter is too big a platform to specify the content. That's like saying Google is for searching stupid stuff. Besides, for someone who spends hours in the Volcanic Wastelands writing dick jokes, you're on a pretty high horse.
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Fauch
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posted March 22, 2014 04:24 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 04:42, 22 Mar 2014.
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well, but to overthrow a government? governments can send cops or even the army to deal with protests. here, in France, you can gather thousands of people in the streets, they don't give a damn about it, it doesn't seem to worry them in any way. but maybe we aren't violent enough? it seems cops beat us at this game.
well I'm talking about real popular protests. many of the recent protests were maneuvers of diversion orchestrated by some mysterious people and not spontaneous popular revolts. it seems the government actually disarm the population by igniting protests.
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fred79
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posted March 22, 2014 04:40 AM |
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artu said:
Twitter is too big a platform to specify the content. That's like saying Google is for searching stupid stuff. Besides, for someone who spends hours in the Volcanic Wastelands writing dick jokes, you're on a pretty high horse.
i write one dick joke, and all of a sudden that's all i do? hey, artu, i've got another dick joke for you... 
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artu
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posted March 22, 2014 05:05 AM |
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Lol. I didnt mean that's all you did. Nice joke btw.
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artu
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posted March 22, 2014 05:13 AM |
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Fauch said:
well, but to overthrow a government? governments can send cops or even the army to deal with protests. here, in France, you can gather thousands of people in the streets, they don't give a damn about it, it doesn't seem to worry them in any way. but maybe we aren't violent enough? it seems cops beat us at this game.
well I'm talking about real popular protests. many of the recent protests were maneuvers of diversion orchestrated by some mysterious people and not spontaneous popular revolts. it seems the government actually disarm the population by igniting protests.
Well, I guess France is THE place where people are used to riots and marching. 1789 to 1968, the street were always live. Anyway what I meant was, I dont think he fears that people will get around together through Twitter and then overthrow the government, everybody knows that's not the way it works. But he is irritated by those crowds just the same. The tear gas used this year is equal to all of Europe's 10 year total or something like that...
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artu
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posted March 22, 2014 08:02 PM |
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seraphim
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posted March 27, 2014 05:32 PM |
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In other news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26773702
Youtube gets banned again in turkey.
The evil nazi zionist NWO illuminati"slash"alien"slash" islamophobic evil force that is youtube and twitter, somehow causes a deeo shatter ti the foundations of our world. THey are deep source of evil!
Artu, soon air will be banned in turkey because it collaborates with the opposition for spreading anti governmental "hot air".
Get a gas mask!
Joking aside, I know that twitter and facebook sucks, but youtube? The youtube comment section alone should be a reason to grieve its loss.
Other than how brainless Erdogans administration is with technology, time to be using proxies or the TOR network, also known as Darknet.
Have you heard of TOR?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29
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xerox
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posted March 27, 2014 06:18 PM |
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Lol I heard the Turkish cobstitutional court declared the Twitter ban illegal? Let's see for how many more years under Erdogan it can keep its independence.
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