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posted January 09, 2015 08:48 AM |
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A hoax of course. Never heard about this snow.
There is no logic in banning people from driving based on a gender identity.
Ah, now I see, it's ye good old BBC, proven radically anti-Russian a myriad of times. No surprises then.
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posted January 09, 2015 09:52 AM |
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You can have it from other sources as well, though, for example:
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posted January 09, 2015 10:02 AM |
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It does not say anything. The news say that the "interview" of a some psychiatrist was given to BBC Russian. However, no trace of the original news article can be seen, as well as that "interview".
Dude, you lose your authority to me while not checking the source links. Your link is basically a re-post from BBC.
This is a propaganda no less than cool stories about North Korea and its political massacres. You will never know what happens there until you visit it and see everything by your eyes. The current haegemon, namely the US, is interested in discreditation of the Eastern countries. Same as in Russia propaganda tends to show that the West has trapped itself in ultimate tolerance and sexual disorders being put above the traditional sexual orientation and family institutions.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:11 AM |
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BBC is not some "born-yesterday, let's twist all the facts according to our agenda" news agency, Orzie.
"Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move."
Do you really believe this detail is also completely made up? If not, instead of defending Russia, how about defending those Russians?
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posted January 09, 2015 10:19 AM |
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Ok, go
here
open the "broad document" link in a new window and read it.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:21 AM |
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BBC has proven its anti-Russian thematics long ago, and our so-called "liberal" resources being a pro-western lobby duplicate everything BBC says. No, BBC is a good channel... when it tells news about scientific achievements. But not about politics.
I have found the issue. The law partially restricts giving driving licences for people who have personality disorders, <150 cm height, and/or transgender feature. This does not mean it restricts it completely - it only gives the right to forfeit giving the driving license to said people, and does not punish anyone responsible for giving it regardless if this person still gave the license or not. Of course this is also a minor discrimination, taking into account that "personality disorder" should have a strong definition, but as usual, it is hyperbolized in the Western mass media to become a crime against humanity.
I doubt there will be many accidents, because usually we don't care about such laws. We have many laws, you know. I guess I shouldn't tell you that not all of these laws are fulfilled strictly.
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open the "broad document" link in a new window and read it.
I've read it. Transgender and transvestites are contraindicated to get the driving licenses. However, laws like these exist for a long time, and both transgenders and transvestites successfully avoid them by showing their sexuality features just after getting the needed documents. Cases of marriages already exist.
Usually you have to prove that the person has the said personality disorder. And usually, and ultimately, we don't care.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:34 AM |
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Okay, but why do your own human rights activists object then? I can understand BBC cherry-picking the content of the law, why does "The Association of Russian Lawyers for Human Rights" agree to their cherry picking? Is it some Western financed "traitor" association? Because, that's the bullsnow rhetoric I am very used to hearing here, whenever some organization says, hey, that's not okay, you always have some nationalist conservative group conspiring that they are "sold." After a while, it starts to sound like a gum chewed too many times.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:41 AM |
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Well, our LGBT lobby seemingly is enraged. Unfortunately, the rights of sexual minorities are usually defended by said "liberals", a political opposition to Putin, and you can guess the rest.
People will have to use some tricks to get their licenses - it has become harder, but still possible. I hope that those who have the said gender-related features don't have them influencing on the sharpness of mind.
In the end, I am pretty sure that our ministry of health just didn't care to distinguish adequate transgenders who have everything the same except their certain sexuality and the actual people with the personality disorder really dangerous for driving. There would be so less cases of transgenders wanting to drive that they seemingly just ignored them.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:42 AM |
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I've read it. Transgender and transvestites are contraindicated to get the driving licenses. However, laws like these exist for a long time, and both transgenders and transvestites successfully avoid them by showing their sexuality features just after getting the needed documents. Cases of marriages already exist.
Usually you have to prove that the person has the said personality disorder. And usually, and ultimately, we don't care.
The problem is that this type of legislation allows the government to pursue the transgenders it doesn't like. Because they illegally obatined a driver's license or marriage whatever, we can now take it away and give you a fine/ prison sentense, because you broke the law.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:43 AM |
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Unfortunately yes, the possibility of it exists. Yet, it's all solvable with a certain amount of money. It's Russia, y'know.
Some of us get driving licenses without a single outdoor driving lesson. Hehe. I myself drive a car, but I passed all the snowy tests.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:45 AM |
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@JJ, artu, BBC is really not any more reliable than CNN or Fox News when it comes to Russia, especially now. They have publicized twisted and vaguely confirmed (or just unconfirmed) materials with clear propaganda content multiple times in the past so it's indeed not a good idea to consider them authoritative about such topics. You can get the same level of objectivity and neutrality from RT and ITAR-TASS, just from the opposite side.
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posted January 09, 2015 12:56 PM |
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I have to say I liked Russia more when it was part of the USSR - when the country was openly reigned by an oligarchic hierarchy.
Now there are more similarities with Italy in the 1930s, it seems.
And I'm sick of people belittling things or playing the Western propaganda card. That's just bollocks, since there is no need for any propaganda. If you are forbidden to talk about something openly or with underaged people, there is no freedom of speech which is one of the pillars of a modern society.
I mean, think about it: If you are not allowed to say things like "The CP sucks", you have no freedom of speech - you cannot say your opinion about SOMTHING ELSE.
If you are not allowed to say something like, "Being gay is no sin and no sickness and no-one who feels that way should be ashamed of it" - you cannot say your opinion about YOURSELF. You cannot protest against being treated as inferior.
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posted January 09, 2015 01:42 PM |
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Right, so you are saying that it is OK for a media to publicize bullcrap about something particular if that something is true "in general". Sounds a bit like a criminal is guilty of all crimes that he is being accused of because he is proven to have committed some of them.
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posted January 09, 2015 01:56 PM |
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Orzie and Zenofex do you agree with the said law or no?
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posted January 09, 2015 02:04 PM |
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I'm not commenting the law. From the very small amount of information present about it, it seems to provide grounds for discrimination which is not OK. Then again, I will certainly refrain from passing judgement on such matters based on media articles.
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posted January 09, 2015 02:12 PM |
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You mean, you do not base your judgement on media articles? Generally or just in cases when Russia or "Eastern Europe" is involved?
So what ARE you basing your judgement on?
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posted January 09, 2015 02:36 PM |
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I missed an "only" in the above sentence. Read it this way - I read articles, I watch news, etc. then I apply some criticism and decide if the information is enough, if it's provided by a credible source and if it's presented in an objective enough manner to deserve "judgement". It sounds awfully robotic when explained this way but that's the idea. That's alien to you?
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posted January 09, 2015 02:53 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Then again, I will certainly refrain from passing judgement on such matters based on media articles.
That's what you SAID.
Now you say, you DO pass judgement on media articles, provided you read or see enough of them and from a variety of sources that you view as credible.
In this case, the Russian laws are the source. We also have the newer Russian history of making laws in kind.
So how's this a case of PROPAGANDA?
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posted January 09, 2015 03:01 PM |
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Do show the text of the law which can be interpreted as "Russia bans drivers with sex, gender 'disorders'" and then it's not propaganda. Until then this is no different than "Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian plane". Sorry, "Russia has history of such things" won't do for me.
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posted January 09, 2015 04:25 PM |
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I linked to the text, and Orzie, as a Russian, confirmed.
Still "propaganda"?
It certainly fits the general picture, whether you close your eyes before it or not.
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