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xerox
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posted January 07, 2015 02:02 AM |
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Inequality
What's your definition of inequality?
What's your view on inequality?
Do you have experiences of inequality?
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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mvassilev
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posted January 07, 2015 04:02 AM |
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There are too many different kinds of inequality to give a remotely satisfying answer. Some are bad, some are morally neutral, and some are good.
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xerox
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posted January 07, 2015 05:23 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 05:26, 07 Jan 2015.
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I wouldn't have made the thread if it was a non-complex and unnuanced subject.
I've been thinking a lot about class mobility recently and what influences it. Thing is, I'm probably gonna make what's in Sweden known as a "class journey" yet atleast my mother had a way more privileged upbringing than me. I feel like it's very, very important that the path you choose to walk in life isn't restricted by what parents you got or what sort of place you randomly happened to be born in.
The importance of social mobility was also the original reason for me becoming a liberal and getting into politics. It's what I valued most of all before becoming radicalized into libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism. The inequalities between immigrants and nationals in particular bothered me. Lately, as I've gotten deeper into actual politics rather than ideological theorycrafting, I've been returning to putting a lot of value in that.
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EDN
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posted January 08, 2015 11:24 AM |
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Well the most common and most destructive kind of equality in modern society is the difference between men and women. Considering the fact that in Africa, the middle east and many parts of Asia women have less rights and are usually not permitted to work. They are also not allowed to choose much of anything for themselves (example: they are married off, they have to stay home to clean and cook) ... and in the western part of the world they are still not treated with the same kind of respect, does not have the same salary, etc...
I could go into far greater detail, but I have limited time atm so I might do it later instead. As a starter I suggest people read [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_the_Sky]Half the Sky[/url], as it is a true eyeopener.
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bloodsucker
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posted January 08, 2015 01:17 PM |
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EDN said:
the most common and most destructive kind of equality in modern society is the difference between men and women
Oh, you are so modern, you surelly live in a different planet.
Nope, while there is really a tremendous amount of discrimination betwen sexes, the descrimination betwen races is still far more significant. Just look at prison population in the USA for instance.
Of course, if u look specifically to muslim countries there is a trend to increase that kind of discrimination; women in Afeganistan are losing the right to basic education, for instance.
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kayna
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posted January 08, 2015 08:05 PM |
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I believe any inequality not based on physical, mental and emotional capacities ( someone stronger should be paid more when working physically, the jobs requiring a higher education too, and those more motivated to work as well ) are unjust.
As for the sex versus race part, women are not as strong as men in general, and also give birth to childs, thus a slightly lower average in pay + more paid leaves seems fair to me. I can't find any difference based on race though. Or should North Korean workers be paid less because they're been badly fed these past years and are thus not as healthy?
Interesting when we take my opinion and replace a pay check with rights. Is it possible that women are paid less but have more rights instead? In my country though.
Anyways. Small inequalities should be ignored ; the worse should be tackled on first.
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Lexxan
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Unimpressed by your logic
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posted January 09, 2015 01:05 AM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 01:08, 09 Jan 2015.
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inequality doesn't bother me that much. it is something that is bound to happen in any society that has both diversity and liberty in abundance.
this topic is interesting on a political field because i would theorize that Equality is the crux of any functional left-wing government while Liberty is the centerfold of any functional right-wing government. Both concepts are also weirdly mutually exclusive from one another.
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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EDN
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posted January 10, 2015 08:44 PM |
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Edited by EDN at 21:00, 10 Jan 2015.
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Oh, you are so modern, you surelly live in a different planet.
Nope, while there is really a tremendous amount of discrimination betwen sexes, the descrimination betwen races is still far more significant. Just look at prison population in the USA for instance.
Of course, if u look specifically to muslim countries there is a trend to increase that kind of discrimination; women in Afeganistan are losing the right to basic education, for instance.
It has nothing to do about being modern. While there is some degree of race difference, all races basically have the same rights (try looking outside usa) ... whereas women have less rights in more than 50% of the world. In Africa women generally aren't given education, as they simply cannot afford it, or they are married off. In the middle east the situation is even worse, but that is mainly because of their snowed up culture. Muslim women had more rights in the 50's than they do now.
The way I see it there is more of a class difference than a race difference in Usa. Upper class will stay upper class, with more rights and opportunities. The middle class is generally getting better no matter what race you're considering. But the lower class is simply getting worse, if you're considering ghetto and trailer park environment. Sure there are more black people in prison, but fact is that these people also committed the crimes that got them incarcerated. This is because of choices they made. Racism is an issue for sure, but I do not believe race discrimination is a bigger issue than sexist discrimination.
Consider the fact that about 645,000 slaves were shipped to USA from Africa during the worst times, and around 12 million from the 16th to the 19th centuries to America in general. Annually, according to U.S. government-sponsored research completed in 2006, approximately 800,000 people are trafficked across national borders, which does not include millions trafficked within their own countries. Approximately 80 percent of transnational victims are women and girls. Both manual labour and sex trafficking victims. This means that within only 30 years, twice as many women were sold as slaves. 1/10 of the time, twice the number.
Race discrimination has never been, and will never be, as big a problem as gender discrimination.
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