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posted June 08, 2020 11:15 AM |
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Yeah. That parting shot, that they are lucky that the black people are looking for equality and not revenge, was a damn good one.
Great show.
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posted June 08, 2020 12:24 PM |
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posted June 08, 2020 02:25 PM |
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*sigh*
I wasn't going to tell anybody...
But, I'm John Oliver.
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posted June 08, 2020 02:40 PM |
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Yes, burn it all. The best solution.
PS: While the ladies message is powerful, I've also watched her full statement: she also mentions how poor looters (black community, because there are no other poor in America) have their only chance to grab some material goods because the system doesn't let them have high-end TV's or clothing. So maybe I'll also grab me a Mercedes-Benz from a saloon because I like it, but otherwise can't afford it? Socialism at its best.
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posted June 08, 2020 05:50 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Check your facts, check reality and stop telling nonsense and lies.
yeah sure. I think the last lie in this thread was ... Minion with covid a hoax? In Floyd thread, last lies were evidustructor claiming Chauvin wear a maga hat, BB claiming the 4 police officers were white conservatives, Gnomes claiming Chauvin shot 4 unarmed colored people by the past, and here you mixing a statement from one phrase with another phrase, just because you decided 2 + 2 must be 5?
My lies were? Quote please.
Then if you are going to call everything you don't agree with, "utter nonsense", "crap", "BS", what about you create your own forum where you can fully enjoy such despicable behavior, censor and ban who you want, thus get your perfect waterproof echo-chamber, Herr Obersturmführer?
Because I can also play at this game, but that leads nowhere.
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posted June 08, 2020 06:15 PM |
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Dude, I linked you to where you can listen to what Trump said, one even the full 53 minutes. If you don't listen I can't help it, but to make it easy for you I even quoted what he said. And your answer to that question was just horribly WRONG, there is no other word for it.
You can't just claim some nonsense and call it opinion when it's not a matter of opinion but a matter of fact and fiction, which is what you do. And if we are, there, the Obersturmführer is more fitting for you, since you put a real efort into it to keep that mindset alive.
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posted June 08, 2020 06:19 PM |
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yes, please quote where he mentioned "unemployment" in the phrase talking about Floyd.
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posted June 08, 2020 06:31 PM |
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He said: Quote:
It’s a great day for him [Floyd], it’s a great day for everyone. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality.
This was unanimous, since you quoted that yourself.
And I asked you what made this such a great day for Floyd, for everybody and for equality.
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All Americans united around the idea of equal justice under the law? What you see in the streets of America, what you read in the press?
This is what happened yesterday and all days since Floyd's death. There is not a single outlet/media or prominent voice who didn't condemn Floyd's death then support the protestations, where all races, genders and social classes are united together and ask for equality and justice. It is a national movement, which expanded also worldwide. Trump's words shows he noticed it and he does what any leader would do in such case, cheer its magnitude.
But Trump doesn't say ANY of that - and it's not his message. He says nothing like that, although I imagine that you would have liked it that way. What he actually says is what I quoted:
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What we are announcing today is a tremendous tribute to equality. We're bringing our jobs back.
THAT is what HE SAYS makes this a great day for him, everyone and equality, and then he goes back to the time before covid and says that there was the lowest unemployment rate ever, EQUALLY FOR EVERYONE, blacks, women, hispanos, asians...
Yes, he is so ... I don't know how to call it ... impudent to sell the fact that May brought 3.000.000 people back in work (instead of an estimated 9 million losses) a tremendous tribute to equality IN THE FACE OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
If you don't get that, too bad for you, but since you don't get a lot of things, well.
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posted June 08, 2020 06:47 PM |
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Hold on.
NY headlines: Trump Says Jobs Report Made It a ‘Great Day’ for George Floyd
ABCnews headlines: Trump calls improved jobs numbers 'great day' for George Floyd
Dailymail headlines: Donald Trump calls massive fall in unemployment a 'great day' for cop victim George Floyd
Now show me where he made such comments. Because those headlines are rather unequivocal, right? They don't say - Trump suggests, we think that he meant that, we speculate that he thought at, etc, right? They affirm "Trump SAYS/CALLS".
Your turn
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posted June 08, 2020 08:00 PM |
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It's what he says "in a nutshell", and there is not even interpretation necessary. He talks for 53 minutes, and if you are interested, go ahead and listen to it, if you don't believe what the media (and myself) are telling you (provided you won't throw up before it is through).
That quote I delivered should be enough, because he definitely says that bringing back the jobs is a tremendous tribute to equality (which it obviously isn't). He leaves no doubt what makes the day great - the 3 million jobs.
I don't understand you - if you don't believe me or the media, why don't you listen to the speech instead of just claiming that everyone is lying about it?
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posted June 08, 2020 08:25 PM |
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JollyJoker, I don't try to convince you, your anti-Trump intoxication is now beyond redemption.
What I said from the beginning is that Major Medias, instead of presenting his phrase about Floyd - which is objectively not controversial, choose to construct another one, from pure speculations - because this is what you do to, taking words from here and there, then make false headlines. Which are controversial.
You complain about "what actually happens". Don't look further, it is this press you constantly link and praise like the Ten Commandments, which stirs the unprecedented hysteria and hate, with you being its most faithful tool. For you, chaos is the choice, if chaos can ensure Trump's downfall. Stop pretending you care, you are just a pawn in the political fallout.
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posted June 08, 2020 10:16 PM |
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Let's see about you not lying:
Salamandre said:
JollyJoker, I don't try to convince you, your anti-Trump intoxication is now beyond redemption.
bold print: utter polemic bullcrap, like, Trump-loving fact-warping ultra-right hysteria is now beyond insane.
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What I said from the beginning is that Major Medias, instead of presenting his phrase about Floyd - which is objectively not controversial, choose to construct another one, from pure speculations - because this is what you do to, taking words from here and there, then make false headlines. Which are controversial.
Completely untrue. They did what media do, summing up a 53 minutes speech, condensing it to the gist of it. And they did it absolutely correct, because that IS the gist. You just chose to deny it in your willing delusional blindness
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You complain about "what actually happens". Don't look further, it is this press you constantly link and praise like the Ten Commandments, which stirs the unprecedented hysteria and hate, with you being its most faithful tool. For you, chaos is the choice, if chaos can ensure Trump's downfall. Stop pretending you care, you are just a pawn in the political fallout.
And again, utter polemic bullcrap, using words like "unprecedented", "hysteria", "hate" - your favorite word to accuse others of - "faithful tool", "chaos", "pawn".
YOU are the one with the hate (media, leftist, muslims...), YOU are repeating the nonsense the right propaganda machine is blurting out, YOU are the one closing your eyes before the undeniable truth - and YOU are the one loving the chaos the Trump administration is causing.
You are too ideologically biassed to even be able to see it when politicians are taking the piss, which is what Trump did with everyone who cares about the issue.
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posted June 18, 2020 09:46 AM |
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And NOW Bolton comes up with a ton of unpalatable stuff in his book, when he had the chance to make a statement in the impeachment trial.
One shouldn't be too surprised that Trump apparently had no idea Britain is a nuclear power or that intelligence briefings are mostly him doing the talking and the rest listening or that his only interest is being re-elected - nor that he was supportive of Xi and his reasoning why they build concentration camps in China...
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Yep, another scandal for the corrupt President.
Trump asked China for help getting reelected, Bolton book claims
"Trump commingled the personal and the national not just on trade questions but across the whole field of national security. I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my White House tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations."
There is nothing more obvious than this. He is the most selfish President I have ever witnessed. How on earth can anyone tolerate such abuse of power from their leader...
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posted June 18, 2020 12:31 PM |
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I guess War Walrus is sore from getting pushed out of the inner circle.
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posted June 18, 2020 01:18 PM |
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if you believe Russia helped him, that he colluded with Ukraine, then you will certainly believe the China crap. There is a reason such books sell, addiction.
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posted June 18, 2020 01:31 PM |
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Sure, Bolton simply lies in his book, so that the government can not only sue him because of breach of an NDA, but also because of slander, libel and defaming.
Just dream on in your personal la-la-land.
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posted June 18, 2020 01:36 PM |
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Exactly what I said. You didn't even read and your opinion is set in stone, it has to be true.
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posted June 18, 2020 01:58 PM |
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Bolton is not by far the only one formerly from Trump administration who is loudly and harshly speaking against him. He is joined by:
- Defense Secretary James Mattis
- Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen
- Chief of Staff John Kelly
- Homeland Security adviser Tom Bossert
- Secretary of State Rex Tillerson
- National security adviser H.R. McMaster
- Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer
And that is just to name a few. Go figure.
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posted June 18, 2020 02:07 PM |
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You can add Jesus Christ to that list, I would not care more. Every leader has a cohort of prominent figures being harsh with him, you should see Macron here.
The point is not who says, but the fictions they are forced to create. Russia, Ukraine, now China. What next, Zimbabwe?
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