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posted January 29, 2017 06:39 PM |
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Most of Trump's executive orders so far doesn't surprise me. I anticipated most of them. What surprises me is his wall. I thought he was lying. He's passing other executive orders like keeping track of ethnic crime and when I take all of these race oriented orders it seems to me like he's trying to bring back some kind of white supremacy. Maybe the figures of people evolving in a liberal way is seen as a threat by the establishment and they're acting on it right now. I've no idea.
I don't think Trump is a dumb arse anymore. He's bigoted and stuff, but considering how he won the election by tricking so many people I'm not gonna underestimate him ever again. This wall can't just be the random idea of a madman. There must be some reason behind it. Maybe the US predicts South America to become very poor in the future. Maybe South America is the back up plan to suck oil if China and Russia manage to gain more military power. I don't know man.
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posted January 29, 2017 08:31 PM |
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I don't see how you connect dots between tracking ethnic crime and the usual bollocks about white supremacist. In USA you can know how many whites, TOO, are criminals at any moment, such data is available. Also, in countries with high immigration issues, keeping correct tracks of criminality based on origins is 1) giving the temperature of the immigration thus have a diagnostic 2) allows deflating fake news and polemics, often based on incorrect data.
Naturally, making public the statistics will deserve the morons militating for activists racist organizations as Blacklivesmatter, as they tried so hard to make from the white man the source of all annoyances, while we have official data showing that 93% of black victims are killed by blacks and also that blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do. So no offense, but people carrying out this constant gaff about races should revise their facts and leave mum's frocks.
The wall: Israel made one (not that I agree with) and they claim it did wonders. I would start by analyzing that data first, then see the pro and cons, that may help for figuring its efficacy. Take a rational position and if you are among the overwhelming majority of people who lock their door, stop being a bigot.
As for the "chaos" due to people rejected in airports, it was big time the boomerang strikes back. The common sense asks that you don't invite in your house people which, on the other side, you daily bomb and send back in stone age -thus they hate you to death. A shame because both Irak and Iran had serious potential for becoming almost nice democracies over time, but America took care of, and this is not Trump to blame.
Now about the moral issue, each one his opinion. Personally I find extremely hypocrite that liberals are in tears at Obama departure when Obama clearly didn't give a sh!t about Muslim or/and human rights. Guantanamo has been the scene of dubious, lengthy detainment, force-feedings, sleep deprivation, stress positions, vicious beatings, and other forms of torture. He promised to close such ignominy, he lied. Similar to our HC most righteous residents, always first to loudly claim "we must educate the refugees" yet the "we" always means somebody else. Which, in facts language means nothing more or less than "I piss on refugees fate but let me cry a bit about being morally superior so I get that fuzzy warm inside".
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posted January 29, 2017 08:39 PM |
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Galaad said:
Trump may be racist, sexist, xenophobe, but for now he's not half as evil than his predecessors.
I don't know about evil, but the three other accusations you made (suggested), I see no serious facts backing it. I would like to hear what enforces such opinion.
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posted January 29, 2017 08:51 PM |
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Oh yeah, why would he even build a wall? Doesn't he know that most illegal things smuggled into USA and back are done through underground tunnels?
Hmph, "building a wall". This ain't Berlin to do that.
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posted January 29, 2017 09:38 PM |
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Trump is legitimately xenophobic if he feels the need to block people from certain countries when the average American citizen is more likely to shoot up a mall than a visitor is. If selective fears that aren't even in conformity with statistical realities isn't xenophobia, I'm not sure what is. His attitude towards migrants isn't just inhumane, but also slightly hysterical.
Calling him sexist/racist is more than likely counterproductive to bringing him down, and - in my opinion - is what led to his rise to begin with. If the media didn't gobble up his words like hungry seagulls and gave him so much negative publicity to bask in, we wouldn't have him as president. I can't remember who said it, but the saying goes, "all publicity is good publicity "
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posted January 29, 2017 09:47 PM |
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Yeah, let me travel to the states, even if I don't want to.
Hmm, my country's not on the list, 15 years ago, it would have been different.
Saying Trump ain't racist is saying the sky ain't blue (which as you see is quite debatable).
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posted January 29, 2017 10:20 PM |
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Trump is legitimately xenophobic if he feels the need to block people from certain countries
The vocabulary is unnecessarily expanded . Xenophobic means not allowing any immigration (legal included).
Xenophobic implies that there is a dislike or irrational fear for people of other cultures. Trump doesn't dislike them and nothing that he has ever said suggests that he does -show me evidence. The facts are that we have seen proof of the negative ramifications of Muslim refugees in Europe and US should not allow the same stuff to happen. You aren't a "Xenophobe" because you have legitimate concerns about people who happen to be from a certain race, area, ethnic group or nation and want to keep them out of your country.
The President's first duty is to protect the citizens of the United States not the rest of the world. European Leaders forgot or ignored this backbone of their duty, I suggest Americans don't do same lethal error. But thats me.
Also USA banned 6 times through history immigration from specific places or categories of people. Roosevelt, for example, banned jews (he set a quota of 26000) from entering during the 2nd ww. US turned away the St Louis ocean liner, which was carrying 937 passengers, almost all of whom are thought to have been Jewish, in June 1939. The ship was forced to return to Europe, where more than a quarter of its passengers are thought to have been killed in the Holocaust. Under Trumman, communists were banned and were subject to immediate deportation. Later, Carter banned Iranians from entering the country, following an Iranian hostages crisis. In 1987, Reagan banned HIV people from entering the US, lift only removed by Obama.
Taking such decisions is part of your history, Trump is not the first and probably not the last, then seeing the names quoted above, he is in rather honorable company.
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posted January 30, 2017 12:11 AM |
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C'mon guys. Racist my foot. We have reverse-Racism today and the perpa-TRAITORS are the only Racists in the limelight.
The following Man is now being made famous. Why? Because he IS black. When a man like this speaks, as he does, (just like the black women, Silk & Diamond) he is SLAMMED for his opinion because, it is not the same ignorance (or intent) infesting minds today. I detest when, as what happened to Joe, a White-Lib-Man pompously explains to Joe what that WHITE man thinks that BLACK man needs to understand.
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Spot on about the locked-door Sal. People lock-up whatever they want to ensure they keep and yet the Nation that protects these same non-thinkers, claim the US should just be a vacuum-cleaner sucking anyone and everyone from all other nations.
Sadly, the best of brightest of other nations...could make their own nations great but they leave it behind. Apparently some are not yet understanding what has happened in this now long-running Globalization-Greed-Grab.
Chill out about the US. Here's India and it's the same old song and dance...a select few live like Gods while the country and its citizens are simply tossed away.
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posted January 30, 2017 12:18 AM |
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Xenophobic means manifesting hostility towards strangers. (http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/xenophobe).
What I meant earlier is even if he is all these terms people call him, it doesn't really matter. What does being racist weight in front of wars of interest involving countless civilian deaths and years of suffering towards populations. So what if he is sexist or whatever, what matters is how the country and its international relations will evolve in the next years.
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posted January 30, 2017 12:21 AM |
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@ sal:
I understand it isn't new, and those past examples have been brought up as defenses, but many of those seem entirely unnecessary as well, such as banning Jews in ww2 or later communists. I think those were both examples of exaggerated public fears. A temporary VISA freeze during a major hostage crisis or from a new and poorly understood disease makes a lot more sense.
The way I see it, banning people from 6 different countries because of ISIS would be similar to banning people from the USSR during the Cold War who escaped the borders because of the risk that 1 or 2 of them could be a spy. The reality is that a terrorist is capable of permeating the US border with or without its permission the same as a spy can, and we're allowing a large demographic of people to pay the price because we want to put up a ban that probably won't even be effective in stopping a real terror attack. A large portion of the ME has been unstable since at least the year 1918 and I doubt it's going to change anytime soon.
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posted January 30, 2017 12:43 AM |
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Salamandre said:
I don't see how you connect dots between tracking ethnic crime and the usual bollocks about white supremacist.
Some people argue that Rome fell because it had, at some point, too many ethnicities taken in. They didn't believe in the Rome ideal, and understandably so. Without intervention, people tend to evolve in a liberal way, and the projections aren't good from the establishment's point of view, which would like to remain the strongest military in the world. So, they promote racism in various ways hoping the people will become more racist as well. Saving the white race is synonymous with saving the more redneck republican ideal.
Or the wall just might indeed be the random idea of a madman. Who knows. I'm just trying to make sense of his recent executive orders.
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posted January 30, 2017 10:26 PM |
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Here IS a good dose of TODAY's racism. 3 minutes of sheer Racism (((against WHITE-SKIN...listen to the applause!))) from inside a DNC that is absolutely gone mad...by two definitions. "Angry" & "Incapable of Reason".
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posted January 31, 2017 09:29 AM |
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It didn't take long to become farcical.
The next period of U.S. politics, how long it may last, seems to assert itself as the US remake of this show, which I heartily recommend for a good laugh, by the way.
Ah, and the president of the United States got a new nickname in a German infotainment show (with real politicians, mind you):
Trumpelstiltskin.
That's a pretty good one, I think. 
And in case you think climate change is a hoax and we need more fuel to burn, your wet dreams are poised to come true.
And in a further edit, while Trumpelstiltskin may not be Hitler, he lost no time enthroning his Goebbels.
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posted January 31, 2017 12:56 PM |
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i can think of some fuel that needs burning. like that guy, myron ebell. people that old and senile shouldn't be allowed to do anything other than play finger puppets with their mashed peas and make crowns out of their fruitcakes.
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posted January 31, 2017 01:26 PM |
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Immigration immigration immigration, as if it was the only thing he was doing. Him fighting awful European system of economics, supporting UK with the Brexit, firing all the team who made the coup d'état in Ukraine, his withdrawal from TPP, that no one talks about. Oh yeah, we had some memes with the withdrawal forwarded by people not even knowing what is about. Why is the information so one-sided? Did we hear much about Clinton and her ties with Saudi Arabia and Qatar? No we heard "Trump the baddie" to the overdose and it keeps on going, there is even currently an online petition against him with signatures going by the second, but what about the other half of the country, who voted for him and support him, do their voice don't matter?
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posted January 31, 2017 01:34 PM |
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Galaad said:
Immigration immigration immigration, as if it was the only thing he was doing.
Oh, he does a lot more, as you can see when you followed the links. Quote:
what about the other half of the country, who voted for him and support him, do their voice don't matter?
They face a pretty rough wake-up call.
As with brexit, alot of them fell for fabricated news and a campaign targeting their fears. As with brexit it won't take long until a sizable part will regret what they did.
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posted January 31, 2017 01:45 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
They face a pretty rough wake-up call.
It looked more to me like they face riots and death threats from anti-Trump folks.
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posted January 31, 2017 01:49 PM |
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yeah, the media is really one-sided. it seems like everyone is against him; i saw it mentioned on mass-media that his sanity was in question. the medias(nearly all of them, it looks like) that are bought and paid for by the government are doing what they can to cause an upheaval. i wouldn't be surprised if somebody set up another oswald. we seem to have enough of them lying around... if you believe the fear-mongering media.
i'm not saying trump's a good guy, he's clearly not. but you are really getting a glimpse at how much of our media are all being controlled from ONE source. or maybe, a few with VERY similar agendas.
it's the fact that it's not business as usual in this country, that is upsetting those who have been in charge for so long.
it both gives me hope, and depresses me, that THIS is the guy who apparently is trying to stand against the u.s.'s real enemies; both those within AND without. but it looks like corruption, no matter who's side it's on(government or corporate), is STILL in charge. i don't see any real change, aside from the fact that executive orders are becoming rampant, and that the u.s. is seeming to split in two, and that the environments in our nation are REALLY headed for the snowter.
long story short, i don't think ANY of us are going to "win", here.
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posted January 31, 2017 01:53 PM |
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That's nonsense, because the election is secretly held, so people who voted for Trump cannot be threatened. Also, the notion of half of the citizenship of the US would face death threats is rather ridiculous.
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. You gotta be KIDDING me! You think, FACTS have to be presented in a fair way? If someone is caught killing another one, the media are one-sided when they report that?
OF COURSE everyone with a brain is against him - not necessarily against him personally, but against what HE DOES and what kind of a government is taking shape.
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JollyJoker said:
That's nonsense
Yeah right.
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OF COURSE everyone with a brain is against him - not necessarily against him personally, but against what HE DOES and what kind of a government is taking shape.
Funny how quick it is to say people "with a brain" are against him, so the people "with a brain" support warmongers who already have multiple mass murder on their records LMAO
It's mass manipulation, the people on top want to stay on top and the middle-class has been decreasing too much and wars happened just like that and people have more than enough of all that **** mate.
Yes Trump is a gamble, and it can **** up, but with Clinton it was ALREADY ****ed up, she didn't even hide it ffs!
People "with a brain" think by themselves and check multiple sources.
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