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AnkVaati
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posted February 28, 2017 05:59 PM |
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I don't think there's any grand conspiracy necessary for the decline of the west. IMHO, globalists and cultural marxists have been quite open with their agenda since John Lennon wrote that silly song. What The Donald is doing is challenging their psuedo-religion of egalitarianism and those people decide public discourse through dogmas about perceived "racism" or "sexism" etc (of course they themselves are obsessed with defining people by skin colour or gender, even genders that don't exist lol).
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JollyJoker
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posted February 28, 2017 06:18 PM |
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I have no idea what this "globalism" nonsense is supposed to mean. "Globalism" is the logical consequence of Capitalism and Free Trade. It's nothing else than what happens in any country on a global level.
Because - take any country. There are no tarriffs within a country - but still conditions for Corps are not equal within a country. There are regional differences in infrastructures, for example, and different "business conditions" based on LOCAL policies, and globally OF COURSE the same thing happens. That's the one single reason why the standard of living in the West is so high AND it is increasing in countries like China.
Of course, the US are different, because in the US the rich guys are profiting a lot more than in Europe. That's because Europe is a lot more "social", which means - higher taxes. 45% income tax on everything you have in income above 60.000 € a year in Germany (after deductions). 45%. PLUS a sales tax of 19% (7% on essentials).
Whole different ballgame here. Same thing with insurances.
But, anyway. If you agree with capitalism, globalism is logical - and even necessary. You just have to get your rich population to PAY MORE TAXES, for frag's sake - which isn't what your current admin is all about - ON THE CONTRARY!!!
Christ!
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artu
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posted February 28, 2017 06:25 PM |
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AnkVaati said:
I don't think there's any grand conspiracy necessary for the decline of the west. IMHO, globalists and cultural marxists have been quite open with their agenda since John Lennon wrote that silly song. What The Donald is doing is challenging their psuedo-religion of egalitarianism and those people decide public discourse through dogmas about perceived "racism" or "sexism" etc (of course they themselves are obsessed with defining people by skin colour or gender, even genders that don't exist lol).
I never knew the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was a religion, put aside a pseudo-religion, -as if there is an objective way to separate the two. That, backed up by the information that world politics revolve around pop songs and BS terminology enlightened me like never before.
Seriously though, don't troll OSM threads.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 28, 2017 06:37 PM |
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Seconded.
Seriously, CYNICALLY spoken, it's all pretty easy: People who subjectively THINK(!) they have nothing to lose (Janis Joplin and her definition of freedom comes to mind) are the most dangerous for everyone who THINKS(!) they have something to lose, so the obvious solution is, MAKING PEOPLE THINK, they do HAVE something to lose.
In the end, while abstract values are fine and all, communism is right: the ECONOMIC situation of people is the defining thing.
In Europe the high-and-mighty have understood that.Give everyone something, so they have something to lose, case closed, relative social peace.
In the US, though... Well. Start as a dishwasher, become a billionaire, right?
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artu
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posted February 28, 2017 06:40 PM |
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That would be Kris Kristofferson, not Janis Joplin. 
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JollyJoker
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posted February 28, 2017 06:58 PM |
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You are right, but surely Janis is somewhat more believable, considering Kristofferson's bio, especially his movie career. 
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Minion
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posted February 28, 2017 11:02 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 23:10, 28 Feb 2017.
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I have never realized the extent of this before but a lot of people truly reject the reality and just make it their own because they don't like it the way it is. It is almost impossible to have a conversation with people like that, I don't get how some of you do it. Conspiracies run rampant, media reports are fake because I don't like them, I find someone who agrees with me on the depths of the Internet and "HAHA, I HAVE IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT OBAMA IS A MUSLIM".
Another example is the current president himself. Trump says that there is horrible FAKE NEWS about leaks in his government, and in almost the next sentence he gets angry at the people who DO the leaking from his government. In some lunatic world this is apparently possible, that there are no leaks but we have to find the people who do the leaking.
And a frighteningly big portion of americans can't see the logical fallacy in it. It may only be some 45% of voters but because of the crappy system they have it means a person can still win the presidency. With no real support from the people (even though they all claim here that people are with Trump, no, MAJORITY is not with him, and never was). Not a single President, not A SINGLE ONE before him has started his presidency with a negative approval rating.
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markkur
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posted February 28, 2017 11:10 PM |
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I'm sure neither of you will bother but the following link to a video based on a Book, that well explains the USA today. Now, notice something here...it is not opinion but the people themselves say all you need to know. "Fabrication...totally unnecessary.
Believe it or not, Powerful & embedded Non-Pro-Western Organizations that ARE all about importing bodies from around the world to fill their own ranks don't give a damn about this nation.
JJ, you went on and on about LAW not that long ago. Well, we already have Sharia being enacted and/or further pushed (look up Dearborn Michigan) in places and yet it is NOT compatible with this nation's SECULAR LAWS.
Lets switch gears. Every year this nation's taxpayers are taken for what? 5 Billion dollars and each year this is sent to Israel? We are asked squat about any of these actions.
Now, turn that over, who else is has this Government been in bed with? (Like UMA being Hillary's right-hand girl for YEARS?) How about Saudi-Arabia? See the Picture yet? Most nations are angry that the USA has been in-league with the Saudis all the way back to the Bushes.
Fyi, American tax-money goes anywhere and everywhere except for true American-citizens, that ACTUALLY PAID INTO THIS SYSTEM. And is this happening only here in the States? No, your beloved EU is doing the very same thing but you either cannot nor will not see it.
If you cannot grasp that viable and working strategy, there's no way for me to reach you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrbIr8ssmFs
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Minion
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posted February 28, 2017 11:33 PM |
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Please elaborate on Huma Abedin and why she should not be in contact with government?
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2017 01:06 AM |
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Minion said:
I have never realized the extent of this before but a lot of people truly reject the reality and just make it their own because they don't like it the way it is. It is almost impossible to have a conversation with people like that, I don't get how some of you do it. Conspiracies run rampant, media reports are fake because I don't like them...
first of all, media reports always have an agenda. that's 1. if you can't get that, then there's no use talking to people like you, who accept whatever the media says.
2nd, the "reality" you're being shown by the media is TAILORED to their agenda. so, whatever you see in the media, will NEVER be the whole story. that's 2.
3: regarding complete stories, you will NEVER see the complete story being shown to the people BY the media. and for a multitude of reasons:
even if they HAD the entire story, they COULDN'T, and WOULDN'T show you the entire story. they couldn't, because the entire story would take up more time to tell you, than they have allocated from their networks. they also couldn't, because if you weren't THERE, then you couldn't even KNOW what happened with any surety; you'd just be going by hearsay. they wouldn't, because, again, they HAVE an agenda. and if you paid ANY attention to what was on U.S. t.v. during the campaign for presidency, you would notice that EVERYONE, not just EVERY news media, but EVERYONE, from late night talk show hosts, to daytime talk show hosts, to morning show anchors, to GUESTS of every day/night/morning show, to celebrities, to rights groups, to... (i can't even remember them all!), you would notice that they were ALL against trump. for every few seconds that ANY media would focus on hillary and her secret information leaked through her emails, and how the FBI was going to "take care of it"(and they were snowing PAID OFF to sweep the issue under the carpet, ffs), you would see HOURS, even DAYS, of the media and EVERYONE else focusing on "how bad trump is". now, if you can't see how the government(and whoever else is BEHIND the government), is running ALL MEDIA ON U.S. NETWORKS, and not JUST NEWS media, then you're snowing BLIND, man.
trump got elected, because americans got a glimpse of WHAT THEY WERE UP AGAINST(because of the mass-puppeteering they were witnessing on their t.v.'s). he was elected, because they were SICK of the puppeteering that they were being subjected to. it didn't MATTER to them, that trump was a rotten snower. what MATTERED, was that they at least TRY to stop what was happening to our country through all the goddamn PROPAGANDA PUSHING AND DIRECT MANIPULATION OF THE MASSES THROUGH THE MEDIA. they had HOPED trump was anti-establishment(as he claimed to be), and they were wrong. they had been misled because they didn't have ANY CHOICE other than trump, if they wanted an actual change in the people running their country. indeed, they were grasping at straws, because trump is the opposite side of the same coin that has been controlling america for decades: corporate america. it wasn't UNTIL the campaign, that even I realized that those at the helm were split into TWO "evils": corporate and it's affiliates, and government and IT'S affiliates. so regardless of who's in charge, the u.s. is STILL snowED.
and now, after the elections, we're being pushed MORE bullsnow propaganda, which is anti-russian. and why? because "russian" hackers AIRED THE ESTABLISHMENT'S DIRTY LAUNDRY. because those "russian" hackers tried to show the public that the democrats were RIGGING THE ELECTIONS, among other, even MORE nefarious things.
but people like you will never get that, because you flat-out REFUSE to see what's going on ALL AROUND YOU. tin-foil-hat conspiracies, my snowing ass. open your snowing EYES. you and jj and artu would insist that these conspiracies don't exist simply because conspiracies regarding leaders are LAUGHED AT BY THE VERY MEDIA THAT TRAINED YOU TO LAUGH AT THE CONSPIRACIES GOING ON ALL AROUND YOU. i keep telling people, and they compare LOGICAL and FACTUAL conspiracies to BIGFOOT and the LOCH NESS MONSTER. like surveillance, counter-surveillance, espionage, counter-espionage, corruption, secret and top-secret programs(even DECLASSIFIED MIND CONTROL PROGRAMS BY THE FBI AND CIA, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ON .GOV WEBSITES, FFS), greed, and propaganda are TIN-FOIL-HAT STUFF.
GET REAL. WAKE UP. this downright WILLFUL IGNORANCE is not only getting OLD, but it is DETRIMENTAL TO REGAINING CONTROL OVER THOSE WHO ARE CONTROLLING YOU RIGHT NOW. if you can't even BELIEVE that these issues exist, then you're not going to even TRY to do anything to change them.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 01, 2017 04:25 AM |
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Edited by artu at 04:50, 01 Mar 2017.
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@Markkur
Some 0.1 percent minority Muslims being allowed Sharia is a twisted version of multiculturalism, not some conspiracy about them taking over. How is that any different than the Mormons, I see no outrage about that. Don't get me wrong, Sharia is indeed incompatible with modern human rights and it should be wiped off this earth as a form of executive law but that has nothing to do with what you indicate. And the Saudis... Your government and corporate elite is in bed with the Saudis because of its own interests, not theirs. They have oil. That is once again "global business" but not a hidden agenda of running the U.S.A. according to Saudi interests. Corporate interest may clash with middle-class interest, that is an entirely different thing.
@Fred
Fred, everybody knows that mainstream media is interlinked with the corporate world and investigative journalism is not their only objective. (JJ linked an article about that just a page ago.) Everybody knows about greed and that the rich "buy themselves" custom-tailored tax laws fit for them or sponsor war. (I just linked an article about that a week ago.) These are not conspiracy theories, there is a difference between not being delusional about "reelpolitik" and the kind of stuff you so eagerly jump to believe. For instance, governments researched mind control drugs on individual subjects while they were being interrogated and to most extent, even that failed. However, if you take this fact and claim that the government hypnotizes the masses by mixing mind control drugs in city water, that is indeed Loch Ness monster level BS. And the reason for that is not because "the media tells us so." The most obvious reason among many would be that no drug works like "the pied piper" on crowds, such a thing doesn't exist. There are other reasons but I won't get into them because over the years in here, I have witnessed some of the conspiracy theories you did believe or even you came up with personally and to put it bluntly, when it comes to such things, you are completely unable to differentiate between what makes sense and what doesn't, you will believe anything as long as you are told some shady powerful people are behind it. Let me tell you this though, best baits of lies are half-truths, nobody is unaware that greed or corruption exists, yet this fact doesn't turn every overwhelmingly far-fetched assumption into a probable scenario:
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Minion
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posted March 01, 2017 12:01 PM |
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@fred show fake news stories or shut up.
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2017 12:14 PM |
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Minion said:
@fred show fake news stories or shut up.
find them yourself. what do you think i am, your snowing servant?
@ artu: i haven't read your post yet. i'll come back to it.
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2017 12:23 PM |
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artu said:
Fred, everybody knows that mainstream media is interlinked with the corporate world and investigative journalism is not their only objective. (JJ linked an article about that just a page ago.) Everybody knows about greed and that the rich "buy themselves" custom-tailored tax laws fit for them or sponsor war. (I just linked an article about that a week ago.) These are not conspiracy theories, there is a difference between not being delusional about "reelpolitik" and the kind of stuff you so eagerly jump to believe. For instance, governments researched mind control drugs on individual subjects while they were being interrogated and to most extent, even that failed. However, if you take this fact and claim that the government hypnotizes the masses by mixing mind control drugs in city water, that is indeed Loch Ness monster level BS. And the reason for that is not because "the media tells us so." The most obvious reason among many would be that no drug works like "the pied piper" on crowds, such a thing doesn't exist. There are other reasons but I won't get into them because over the years in here, I have witnessed some of the conspiracy theories you did believe or even you came up with personally and to put it bluntly, when it comes to such things, you are completely unable to differentiate between what makes sense and what doesn't, you will believe anything as long as you are told some shady powerful people are behind it. Let me tell you this though, best baits of lies are half-truths, nobody is unaware that greed or corruption exists, yet this fact doesn't turn every overwhelmingly far-fetched assumption into a probable scenario:
i never said anything about our water being drugged; so i have no idea where you're getting that from. i mean, you do realize that mind control comes in forms other than drugs, right? and, the declassified mind control programs i was referring to, were used on individuals; because the process is not something you could subject a group to in the first place. now, how do you think such programs were declassified in the first place? because of a leak. that kind of stuff isn't general public knowledge, obviously. those in power who have you believe they're benevolent.
the reason you don't assimilate what i'm trying to say, artu, is that you refuse to. you see even MY POSTS the wrong way. if you can't read a simple post online, how are you supposed to be able to see what i'm talking about out there in non-cyber reality?
it is your INABILITY to see what's right in front of you, that prevents you from UNDERSTANDING the REALITY that i'm even addressing.
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Minion
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posted March 01, 2017 12:25 PM |
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Ok forget it, you have NONE. As expected.
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2017 12:53 PM |
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Minion said:
Ok forget it, you have NONE. As expected.
typical response from someone who readily accepts what the media FEEDS them. you could get off your ass and learn something for yourself, you know? do you HAVE to be spoon-fed everything?
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verriker
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posted March 01, 2017 12:59 PM |
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do you see what I mean mate, about these OSM discussions becoming increasingly far fetched and difficult to take seriously lol
actually I should probably revise that, I think it is deadly serious and maybe even fatally serious that people in the world are deep deluded to unironically believe some of this **** lol
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 01, 2017 01:00 PM |
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Edited by artu at 13:05, 01 Mar 2017.
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@fred
You haven't said it now but some previous time you talked about mind control with drugs, you were talking about how they may be mixed in the city water. If it wasn't in the VW, it must be still here somewhere.
And yes, all governments have classified material but what I'm talking about is the "extraordinary" things you happen to think that may be in those classified files. I mean just before the election you thought footage of Hillary Clinton was faked because you didn't think "the hair looked right" although it made no sense whatsoever for them to fake such a thing and sometime ago it was Nicholson killing Ledger and before that it was some other thing. You have "a record" about such assumptions. The point is, we are not people who take every word of the media for granted or who are not skeptical about political intentions like you conclude, that's not WHY people object to what they object. We object because we also have filtering mechanisms, separating crap beyond reasonable doubt from actual inquiry. You (and sometimes Markkur) have no such filters and sometimes you "get high" on terrible sources. When I object to Markkur's narrative, it's not because Washington Post brainwashed me, and also keep in mind that the mainstream press where I live is NOT pro-U.S. Establishment, I read worst of those BS conspiracies already.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 01, 2017 02:10 PM |
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fred79
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posted March 01, 2017 02:45 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:51, 01 Mar 2017.
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artu said:
@fred
You haven't said it now but some previous time you talked about mind control with drugs, you were talking about how they may be mixed in the city water. If it wasn't in the VW, it must be still here somewhere.
And yes, all governments have classified material but what I'm talking about is the "extraordinary" things you happen to think that may be in those classified files. I mean just before the election you thought footage of Hillary Clinton was faked because you didn't think "the hair looked right" although it made no sense whatsoever for them to fake such a thing and sometime ago it was Nicholson killing Ledger and before that it was some other thing. You have "a record" about such assumptions. The point is, we are not people who take every word of the media for granted or who are not skeptical about political intentions like you conclude, that's not WHY people object to what they object. We object because we also have filtering mechanisms, separating crap beyond reasonable doubt from actual inquiry. You (and sometimes Markkur) have no such filters and sometimes you "get high" on terrible sources. When I object to Markkur's narrative, it's not because Washington Post brainwashed me, and also keep in mind that the mainstream press where I live is NOT pro-U.S. Establishment, I read worst of those BS conspiracies already.
i wasn't addressing any of that, i was addressing how people blindly believe what the media uses to try and control them into thinking a certain way.
as for drugs in city water, i remember mentioning that long ago. and more importantly, i remember why. i was trying to figure out why people were so increasingly forgetful, and seemingly more placid. more prone to believing what they were told by the media, politicians, and corporations(even goddamn celebrities, ffs); instead of critically analyzing what they were being told, and using past scandals/corruption/lies as a point of reference to deciminate what they were CURRENTLY being told. and as you can see, people STILL are not getting the broader picture. trump is lying vermin(although people who wanted some kind of change didn't have a choice in voting FOR him), hillary is lying vermin, most of the government and ALL of the corporate world are lying and corrupt vermin; only out to bleed consumers/the populace dry. their primary interest is in consumers/the populace BACKING(supporting their agendas) them, FEEDING(cash) them, and DYING(i mean the government here, before you use this as just another platform to try and convince yourself that i'm a tin-foil hat type) for them.
look, man, it's clear that you're not going to agree with me on what is happening around you, or even the POSSIBILITIES of nefarious things happening around you; even despite all the evidence that would be easily deciminated if you were to just USE YOUR EYES AND YOUR BRAIN. your books can only tell you so much, artu. and you seem to forget that those very books you are so keen on using as a standpoint for how you view the world, can just as easily be propaganda themselves. think, history books in each and every country. think they all say the exact same thing?
you're never going to understand, because you flat-out refuse to. you never take into consideration what i'm saying, while at the same time, taking what you are told by the media as THE WORD OF GOD(for lack of a better phrase). it's like you're afraid of considering that what those "conspiracy theorists"(a tactical phrase used by those who DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK FOR YOURSELF) are spouting, might actually be true. and then where would your benign world be? where would your order be? judging from how you view things, you'd have to rethink your ENTIRE viewpoint on the world from the ground up. and i think you've come too far, and enjoyed the fantasy for too long, to even WANT to consider the truth. the truth that stares blatantly at you, waiting for you to notice.
you speak of filters, and you're taking your substance directly from the sources that would have you BELIEVE they were benevolent. the same sources that DENY any other voice than themselves. those SAME sources, that are telling people that the "russians"(or ANYONE) are bad for hacking and exposing their dirty little secrets, while at the same time, viewing people who READ those dirty little secrets that WERE EXPOSED, "conspiracy theorists"(wait for some years, and you will see this story linked with "conspiracy THEORISTS". you'll see). like those dirty little secrets were PLANTED by their OPPOSITION.
but whatever. there's really no point in continuing this conversation. just realize, that when people like you address people like me as NON-THINKERS, you're insulting the very people who ARE actually thinking. and i can't have that. that's like an invalid telling someone who can walk that they DON'T KNOW HOW TO. an INVALID. you can see why i'd be so upset about something like that, i hope. might as well be a jew and side with the germans during ww2, and tell all OTHER jews at that time they're wrong in their assumptions of prosecution. and not only that, but their beliefs of prosecution are LOGICAL FALLACIES. of all the nerve.
but i do like how you're more tactical about it. others aren't. they're just blatantly rude and asinine.
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