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i mean, how everything is being controlled by only certain groups. i have the media version of that image, as well as others. you'll see what i'm referring to once i post them all.
eventually, at the progress we're going now, most(if not all) resources will be owned by a few, maybe even one company. if a few, i forsee cloak-and-dagger armies assigned to each. corporate wars, if you will.
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Yes but corporate power is already out in the open. Once again, I'll repeat what I said in the 9/11 thread: What is characteristic about conspiracy theories is that they assume a great deal of participants that are supposed to keep quiet and when the speculation (which is not backed up by evidence) gets refuted, this circle of participants expand: Scientific reports, those guys are in on it, official investigation, the judges were part of it, too, etc. Take for example the conspiracy of WT building 7, that fire can't cause such a collapse and there was explosives hidden in wall paint, now something such as explosives hidden in wall paint should alert your BS sensors already but let's assume such a thing do exist, once you know that all the firefighters in the scene expected and estimated the collapse of the building before it did and they told the cameras "fire will cause it to collapse," then you should conclude that if fire can't cause such a collapse, they are also in on it. And some top secret black operation which regular firefighters are participants of is improbable to the point of practically impossible because the risk of exposure is beyond acceptable. Another example, few months ago, somebody who was into such conspiracy theories told me that Russia had satellite images proving the 9/11 conspiracy and Putin is threatening the U.S. to publish them if the U.S. doesn't go his way. I replied that was completely illogical because had Putin made such a threat openly, then there would be nothing left to blackmail about, the threat itself would be acknowledging and exposing the conspiracy. He wasn't convinced, so I googled the source of this fake news and it was some nutcase internet site using a Russian tabloid paper. While doing that, I also came across what Putin (who is a former KGB agent) actually said about such conspiracies. I was not surprised to see his line of thinking was exactly like mine:
Claims that the terror attacks of September 11, 2001 were orchestrated by US intelligence agencies are “complete nonsense,” Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told attendees of a youth forum.
”This is complete nonsense, it is impossible,” Putin said on Monday, responding to a question posed by an attendee of the Seliger 2011 youth forum.
“To imagine that US intelligence services did it deliberately, with their own hands, is complete nonsense,” the prime minister said. “Only people who do not understand the workings of security agencies can say that. It would be impossible to conceal it.”
Corporations don't try to conceal they have serious amount of influence over the global economy. They don't need to, they would tell you, "hey, don't blame the player, blame the game" and go back to business as usual.
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posted March 02, 2017 04:00 PM |
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No, no, markkur. They have state-controlled capitalism in China. In the US you have a capitalism-controlled state.
You guys...good grief.
Both of you need to realize that terms really mean little today.
And the idea that there is only one definition for State-Controlled Capitalism? Really, that's not broad-minded enough. Corporations control our Economy through bribing the "Government sell-outs" (the crap Corp.-laws pushed through to destroy all small businesses) but the Government "elected-traitors" could "follow our laws". China's Government Dictates, so no bribery necessary or buying of Candidates.
The huge difference between the two ways of running an economy is in China, President Trump could never have happened. China is TOTAL absolute control. Look up Ghost-cities of China, they make the West look like amateurs in "building investment real-estate for the fat cats"
And JJ  I have railed against the "Warfare-State" we have had, since the now long ago days when my Father gave me the Book called "The Warfare State" and still have it. That is were I learned President Ike's warning (1960) that I have shared here at HC...many times.
However, when it comes to Weapons, most nations are making the big bucks off them now. Why do you suppose Russia is buying Uranium for the USA? Russia's reopening bases again....how nice.
Power is the most corrupting Drug in the planet...that's why guys like Soros can't get enough MAMMON because the more a black-heart wants to control - the more largesse "GIFTS" they need. We are nearly back to the days of the Vikings but without the longboats or warriors. And frankly, I'd make the trade and start over again.
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posted March 02, 2017 04:06 PM |
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My rant on WAR
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=43825
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posted March 02, 2017 04:27 PM |
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Is that the title of your upcoming novel?
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posted March 02, 2017 05:02 PM |
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artu said:
Is that the title of your upcoming novel?
 You write it my friend...I've given you "only" some starting-points...you'll probably make a fortune...then remember me by a toast of some kind.
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posted March 02, 2017 11:19 PM |
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for a bit of news on the clown show that is the Republicans note the other day that the trump's Attorney General Jefferson Session found to lie through his teeth about speaking to the Russian ambassador during the campaign of trump lol
after vehemently refusing earlier today to recuse himself from the investigation into the Russians/Putin trolling of the election due to lying and bias he has changed his mind now and recused himself, may also resign at this rate but do not hold your breath lol
at the same time it is noted today that the other trump underling Jared Kurshner was also up to a bit of Putin in Barad-dûr, more to come I'm sure lol
I certainly wonder if everyone (e.g. "the media") is out to very unfairly persecute trump and the Republicans why he keeps having the appointed minions turning out to be liars with hidden Russia connections who admit under pressure, maybe a spade is a spade mate not a rake or a giant purple cucumber or whatelse lol
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i'm sure if the bought-and-paid-for media did that to everyone, the scandals would be endless. they're only attacking trump because they're paid for by the opposition.
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for sure "the media" (rather U.S. intelligence community leaking to specific outlets in this case who just publish what they get but whatever) obviously cannot magically force one to resign or recuse unless they actually have the factual evidence of something seriously questionable such as these lies on Russia, i.e. unless the person actually did something lol
otherwise they will just be able to ignore the spurious allegation and carry on because it is not credible and is fantasy, like for instance the fantasy story of Obama's birth certificate which was an alternative fact and had no basis, but unlike the case of flynn and Session where they admit the stuff in the papers has substance lol
why not leave the Republicans/trump alone and go find all the dirt on some other irrelevant bloke on the street instead is just a classic fallacy called whataboutism because obviously the Republicans are the ones in power to hold to account,
whatever some other random bloke may or may not have done does not somehow negate or excuse the corruption of the Republicans at hand and no random bloke has the control of your army, the nuclear codes, the constitutional powers, the steering wheel of your country etc like they do, so they are a bit more consequential and higher priority to bother about in politics than Tom Dick and Harry lol
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(which is not backed up by evidence) gets refuted, this circle of participants expand: Scientific reports, those guys are in on it, official investigation, the judges were part of it, too, etc.
That's not actually true, to "refute" something nobody has to be "on it", for example the judges know nothing of the actual facts, the scientists are just paid to get a particular result by the government/corporations, etc.
The judge is already an employee of the State... the comissions are charged by the State...
This ounds a lot like the (actual happening) of "The police investigated themselves and found there was no wrongdoing". Really? It's like a criminal being able to clear himself because I investigated my deeds and found that I had not done it".
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@ verriker: when people try to point out logical fallacies, i can only shake my head; because they are misdirecting every snowing point people try to make. take a step back and drop the logical fallacy talk, will you? OF COURSE you can't excuse what the snowtards are doing who are in power now! WHY the snow you would think that i'm SHILLING for those rotten snows in power is BEYOND me. what i ONLY pointed out, is that the government/establishment/rotten snows that have had this country by the balls for far too long's MEDIA, are attacking THE ESTABLISHMENT'S OPPOSITION. which is trump and his camp.
i didn't SAY it was wrong that they expose whatever from trump and his camp. what i SAID was that they're ONLY attacking him(JUST LIKE THEY DID DURING THE GODDAMN snowING ELECTIONS, IN CASE YOU FORGOT ME POINTING THAT OUT BEFORE) because they're PAID FOR by the ESTABLISHMENT(who is JUST AS ROTTEN AS THAT snow TRUMP IS), and they SHOULD ALWAYS DO THE SAME THING WITH EVERY PERSON IN POWER, OR WHO COULD BE PUT IN POWER.
but because it's pointed at horrible trump(AND ONLY HIM AND HIS CAMP), that makes everything right, right? because he's so EVIL. and not only that, he's the ONLY evil. and HILLDOG SHOULD HAVE WON. right? because THAT would have made everything better! sure!
where the snow was all this INVESTIGATING AND DATA MINING when there were OTHER candidates still in the race? how about when the FEDS WERE PAID OFF BY HILLARY AND HER CAMP? the media bought and paid for by the establishment haven't said much about that, have they? no... they've been oddly... quiet about it. getting the picture now?
do you see my point, or is this more "logical fallacy" to you? jesus snowING christ, man. i'm starting to think you guys are trolling me. you just can NOT be this blind to what i'm trying to get across.
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(which is not backed up by evidence) gets refuted, this circle of participants expand: Scientific reports, those guys are in on it, official investigation, the judges were part of it, too, etc.
That's not actually true, to "refute" something nobody has to be "on it", for example the judges know nothing of the actual facts, the scientists are just paid to get a particular result by the government/corporations, etc.
The judge is already an employee of the State... the comissions are charged by the State...
This sounds a lot like the (actual happening) of "The police investigated themselves and found there was no wrongdoing". Really? It's like a criminal being able to clear himself because I investigated my deeds and found that I had not done it".
1- The government is not a creature. It consists of many departments that are accountable to each other and those departments consists of thousands of people who are individuals with a conscience, not mindless cells in a body. Even in events that can be possibly covered up with much ease (like unjust execution of a war prisoner or illegal surveillance), there are sometimes leaks and such things don't require thousands of people to participate and wouldn't cause total havoc if exposed, unlike this one.
2- Not all scientists (certainly not the ones who are foreigners) work for the U.S. government, many work for private sector or just remain in the universities. Also, that's not how peer reviewed journals work, you can not get paid to have a particular result in the case of hundreds of different studies done by different people and reviewed by all. That's why the system of peer reviewing exists in the first place.
3- When it comes to your police analogy, you happen to think that the department of Internal Affairs is meaningless because they are also cops like the Homicide or Narcotics. What does that change? Are all cops best buddies? Do they have a secret code? Yeah, there may be times Internal Affairs looks the other way, such as when a gang member is illegally frisked or when there is some minor technical flaw in a process, "hey, it's not a perfect world and things should get done" they might say, but for instance, if a police captain is openly accused of being a serial killer, they won't look away. There is a proportion about such things.
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posted March 03, 2017 12:51 PM |
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fred take a breath for a moment to not feel antagonised please mate, there is no personal matter here lol
fred79 said:
@ verriker: when people try to point out logical fallacies, i can only shake my head; because they are misdirecting every snowing point people try to make. take a step back and drop the logical fallacy talk, will you? OF COURSE you can't excuse what the snowtards are doing who are in power now! WHY the snow you would think that i'm SHILLING for those rotten snows in power is BEYOND me.
I do not think that you are here to shill for the Republicans or do anything insincere, but if you respond to a post highlighting some Republican corruption with a sincere comment that the media could just as easily find such corruption on everybody, then that is all I have to go on and will thus pick apart your illogicalities and fallacies if they exist lol
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what i ONLY pointed out, is that the government/establishment/rotten snows that have had this country by the balls for far too long's MEDIA, are attacking THE ESTABLISHMENT'S OPPOSITION. which is trump and his camp.
I think personally before I would get to far into this we will have to agree on the premise of who the establishment and the rotten snows specifically are and who they include,
for instance is it the Murdoch press (i.e. Fox and WSJ) and their ilk, is it the Washington Post or New York Times, is it the 1%, is it government institutions (which ones), is it the judiciary, is it a vague general paradigm, is it the conservatives, is it the liberals, is it the socialists, is it someone foreign (such as the EU), is it Barack Obama and his Democrats, is it Clinton and her Democrats, is it Sanders, is it all of the Democrats, is it the Republicans who have had the power in the House and Senate for 7 years, is it all of the above, and why is it not trump who in terms of his political actions so far is behaving like an ultraconservative serving the interests of very rich white bigoted elite Republicans (aka the establishment as I would tend to define it) lol
a lot of these factions I just listed are completely incompatible with each other to conspire (even unwittingly) as an establishment, so can you define me who is the establishment for you and who has the country by the balls lol
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i didn't SAY it was wrong that they expose whatever from trump and his camp. what i SAID was that they're ONLY attacking him(JUST LIKE THEY DID DURING THE GODDAMN snowING ELECTIONS, IN CASE YOU FORGOT ME POINTING THAT OUT BEFORE) because they're PAID FOR by the ESTABLISHMENT(who is JUST AS ROTTEN AS THAT snow TRUMP IS), and they SHOULD ALWAYS DO THE SAME THING WITH EVERY PERSON IN POWER, OR WHO COULD BE PUT IN POWER.
your opinion on this does not make a lot of sense to me lol
bear in mind that Christopher Steele (who is considered credible because he previously helped to expose the massive establishment corruption in FIFA) was hired by the Democrats to find dirt on trump who is their political opposition, effectively stumbled upon this nexus of trump-Putin corrupt connections (many of which you can easily verify for yourself if you look up his dossier pdf) which ended up in the hands of John McCain and the CIA, who considered it credible enough to investigate further and give an official briefing on it, and is slowly coming good with flynn and Session already taking a bollocking for verified Russian involvement lol
the only action of "the media" (let's briefly go along with you that "the media" is all a hivemind collective for the sake of argument) on this was to report what it gets, "they" did not start an investigation or an inquisition on anybody or behave unfairly by not reporting some dirt on Sanders or Cruz or Stein or whoever just because they are a unique candidate lol
obviously you hopefully agree trump as a candidate to lead your country can be attacked for many valid reasons, including his frequently unintelligent and malevolent comments, his illogical and vague policies, his Republican alignment, his posturing as a man of the lower class impoverished people when he is a very rich and corrupt man born with a silver spoon whose behaviour in government only shows contempt for such people, his dangerous climate change denial, his abrasive personality and casual misogyny, his campaign's very suspicious coziness with the Russians, and many more, so I do not think it is a problem to see that media outlets are simply holding him to account because of his actual actions fair and square and not because Murdoch and the Media Magnates bought and paid for them to unfairly slate him lol
otherwise these Putin ties originate as an attack on trump by the Democrats (who are obviously going to research and attack their political opponent) which increasingly turn out to have an actual basis beyond a political attack, so again it all depends on how you define establishment, I don't really think the Democrats are the establishment exactly lol
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but because it's pointed at horrible trump(AND ONLY HIM AND HIS CAMP), that makes everything right, right? because he's so EVIL. and not only that, he's the ONLY evil. and HILLDOG SHOULD HAVE WON. right? because THAT would have made everything better! sure!
personally I do not think it makes much sense to go on about Clinton at this point because Clinton and those other candidates are irrelevant, that matter is settled, you have trump and the Republicans in power and should be focused on them from now on,
I also think in general many are going on too much about Trump vs Clinton(/Sanders) and not the Republicans vs Democrats, which is much more germane lol
yes though, IMO you (USA not Fred) would have been better electing one of the Democrats because it means you would have more continuity and progression and would not have such a dysfunctional White House infested with incompetent trolls, you would not have appointed a dreadful cabinet of corrupt unqualified Republican billionaires who are going to actively darken your nation's future into a cycle of ignorance and regression (such as Betty Devos who bribed her way to be in charge of Education and could not educate herself out of a paper bag, thus screwing your children), you would not attempting to repeal your Affordable Care Act which is is making your lives easier on average and is being villified for insane reasons, you would not be pretending global warming does not exist, doubling down on your emissions and leaving China of all places to save the planet or else, you would not be writing off tens of billions to build a deeply cringeworthy Hadrian's Wall at Mexico which could be spent to improve your nation and your quality of life instead, you would not have embarrassed yourselves and abused many of your own citizens with a botched Muslim ban (which will increase terrorism), you would not be unraveling diplomatic efforts with the Middle East in general thus again feeding terrorism, you would not be repealing or planning to repeal various human rights e.g. LGBT rights, defunding Planned Parenthood fundamentalist reasons which will result in lots of children who will grow up with ***** quality of life and ***** education and will on average vote for even more regression in the future, thus furthering a destructive cycle,
and there are lots of other points which come to mind but I cannot list here because it would be a very long and unreadable post lol
even if trump is impeached for treason you will again still have to endure the Republicans under Mike Pence who is again an ultraconservative with a very elitist track record in his opinions and policies lol
so I do not think by far that it would make everything better to elect the Democrats, but I do think electing a the Republicans (and the most dysfunctional Republican at that) is a lot closer to shooting yourselves in the head because it is clearly against your interests as people of limited means and quality of life lol
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where the snow was all this INVESTIGATING AND DATA MINING when there were OTHER candidates still in the race? how about when the FEDS WERE PAID OFF BY HILLARY AND HER CAMP? the media bought and paid for by the establishment haven't said much about that, have they? no... they've been oddly... quiet about it. getting the picture now?
I am not really sure what you are referring to about paying the Feds but bear in mind that the Feds (FBI) via James Comey are the ones who launched the "But Her Emails" investigation at the very last opportune moment, thus dealing huge reputational damage to Clinton and swinging the election in the Republicans' favor, so, I suppose that is where the snow it was lol
the reason everyone is quiet about it is not odd but because the investigation turned up nothing scandalous to say, bear in mind Comey and the FBI are very pro-trump and would have relished something scandalous to pin on the Democrats if it existed, but they got nothing lol
trump was also not investigated by committees for Russia during the actual election, he is being investigated now as the leader of the Republicans and the President with the power, so I do not really understand what you mean, I have not been to the alternate universe but I am pretty sure there would be investigations of one President or the other as long there is reliable evidence of corruption to investigate (bearing in mind again that the Republicans have the most seats and thus the power to impeach a Democrat) lol
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posted March 03, 2017 02:23 PM |
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Verriker, what the hell? 
You got too much time or something? I thought to tell Fred, that just because you probably don't get everyone, is no reason to not go after those too dumb and brazen to cover their behinds. Would be some defense on trial, "your honor, this ain't not fair at all, me here in the penalty box, with so many folks running free and all..."
But I don't suppose, he'll accept that, so I didn't. 
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Verriker, what the hell?
You got too much time or something? I thought to tell Fred, that just because you probably don't get everyone, is no reason to not go after those too dumb and brazen to cover their behinds. Would be some defense on trial, "your honor, this ain't not fair at all, me here in the penalty box, with so many folks running free and all..."
But I don't suppose, he'll accept that, so I didn't.
interminable dry political ramble always helps to pass the time when triple booked for boring meetings mate lol
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sorry, didn't read any replies to my last post, and i doubt i will. i'm about done with political discussions. and why?
because i just saw on t.v. that bush jr is back in the media. supposedly back in politics too, but i'm not digging into anything this time. i watched clips as he was glad-handed on the ellen show(lots of laughs and smiles), a couple late-night shows, and by the media themselves. then i see how bush jr is "speaking out" against how people are feeling alienated in the u.s. him. speaking out about alienation. like he ever gave a snow about singling any group out, or pushing anything other than his oil agenda. a war criminal from a cluster of war criminals that got off scot-free.
and still, people on here will argue with me. snow it. i'm done. i've lost all hope for this country. that people could forget what that mothersnower has done to this and other countries in such a short span of time(just like when BP oil convinced everyone that they were a great and caring oil corporation not long after the gulf disaster), and accept him with welcome arms(being pushed out to us BY THE ESTABLISHMENT-PAID MEDIA)...
you guys have fun arguing that what i point out doesn't exist. you guys have fun with your heads in the sand. i give up. i utterly don't care what happens to this or ANY country anymore. i'm not going to lose my goddamn mind because people are too snowing stupid to OPEN THEIR EYES.
nope, i'm only going to care about individuals from now on. the rest of the world can go snow itself. i'm washing my hands of it.
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there is a quote that if you can't explain a particular concept to a six year old, perhaps you yourself do not understand it well enough lol
I do not apply that to you exactly, but when you are someone who is very smart or very perceptive and think on a very high level, and can see everything very clearly, but are unable or unwilling to articulate what you see in a similarly clear, simple way that a person who is very very dumb or low level like me can follow, the natural result is of course that I will fail to understand what you are on about because I am too dumb and will thus question your thesis until I do lol
I see that some people who are much, much smarter than me do also not really follow your thesis, which implies for me that you could deign to explain it better with clearer rhetoric to avoid getting angry and full of despair cheers lol
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decided to read some other treads, from that I usually reads, and that was a bad idea... perhaps my mind is too dull to understand all deep knowledge of what you are saying, about the politics of Uncle Sam, (mostly external as I see), guys, but my reaction of what is written in this tread (to be more preciously, what I have read yet) - 
artu -
Just tell to me, mr artu, where the hell you have found "former agent" of the organization mentioned by yourself, in the post above? Is this creature exist in the Nature? Is this possible even in theory?
Well perhaps NAU, have the answer to this question - Nautilus Pompilius - Who am I?, this is a russian-language version of "The World is Not Enough", well the russian-ver. was before, so who the hell knows what was a first precedent . In case if you have a poor understanding of the crazy russia language, I will help to you mr artu, the word "Nikogda" is means "Never" . I think the President of the RF is like this song too 
The all other connected replicas to this topic, that you have made, mr artu, is looks ridiculous to me too . Well, or perhaps frostysh have watched too much of hoollywood films
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You can say that some part of society, Idkn, some mob, or a sellers of trolley-tickets is pro-Trump, but it just ridiculous when you saying that the above mentioned by you, mr verriker, organization is pro-Trump, coz' this organization is "nob public organization", and I have hell doubts, that you mr verriker, your children, or your grandchildren, etc will know a truth about to whom this organization is "pro-", and to whom this organization is "anti-".
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verriker -
You can say that some part of society, Idkn, some mob, or a sellers of trolley-tickets is pro-Trump, but it just ridiculous when you saying that the above mentioned by you, mr verriker, organization is pro-Trump, coz' this organization is "nob public organization", and I have hell doubts, that you mr verriker, your children, or your grandchildren, etc will know a truth about to whom this organization is "pro-", and to whom this organization is "anti-".
what in the name of Connery's underpants are you on about lol
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