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artu
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posted August 21, 2014 08:25 PM |
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Not at all, we are not talking about a sketch, we are talking about comics with storylines, characterization. They were talking about the heroines of comics not beatiful women sketches in general.
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Zenofex
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posted August 22, 2014 07:32 AM |
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The comics' target audience are teenagers. Teenagers don't know much about love but sure want to know a lot about sex.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 22, 2014 08:32 AM |
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I think, that's just because Hollywood is hitting things home with a hammer. Even in supposedly serious movies or shows female characters are
shapely
good-looking
dressed sexy
so that you cannot help but notice the fact that they are not only say, female detectives or agents, but also sexually attractive women - maybe even first and foremost sexually attractive women.
However, you'd have to wonder, whether this isn't actually a more advanced stage of equality and so on. You could raise the question whether this teaches us something in the way of registering, but also keeping firmly away from "business".
Europeans like to go the other way: business appearance tending to unisex in support of asexual business relations, the thrill coming from the fact that the audience knows there's something more than this business stuff lurking underneath, waiting to be discovered.
In the end it doesn't really matter, I think, because the problem comes from REDUCING things. If there are men and women involved, there is ALWAYS the sexual dimension, and whether 2 people will be attracted to each other or not is always a question to be asked - which is fine as long as that isn't the only dimension.
You will see the difference when comparing the situation in Mad Men with any show dealing with the present.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 27, 2014 01:55 AM |
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glad you talk about sexism in the media JJ because the media's sexism isn't exclusively a female problem.
Plus, I don't see anything wrong with portraying women as sexually attractive but we all have our tastes so I'll try to respect that.
What are sexism in the media that relates to men you ask? Much worst than women's:
- A vast percentage of lone survivor in horror/killing movies are women. And when I say lone survivors, I mean, they don't die anywhere in the movie or there are no survivor of the other gender. The only horror/killing movie I can think of that has an exclusively male survivor is that movie with Sharks. This is sending a message that men are incapable of and women are much better and smarter when it comes to survival of the fittest.
- A lot of commercials nowadays portray men as idiotic goofballs while women are mature intellectual adults.
- Domestic violence against women is prohibited. Domestic violence against men serves as comedic purposes.
Heck, there was a talkshow about a wife cutting her husband's penis. One of the show's guest joked about it and everyone laughed. If that was a man joking about a woman's circumcision or scraping a boob out, he'd lose his job.
- Violence against little boys is ok. Violence against little girls is a big no-no. We even see little boys dying in a gorey way in Game of Thrones, Hansel and Gretel and Final Destination 2. Little girls, I've seen them dying. Not in a gorey way as little boys do but here's the catch. There is always a bright side. They show us that these girls go to heaven or something like that.
- A huge majority of the shows I've seen portray men as villains just because they are born that way. If women are villains, it has to be because of some valid reason. Example: Under the Dome. The male villain, Jim is evil because he's a power-hungry douche. The only female villain, I forgot her name, was a villain because Jim ruined her mother's life. This is saying that if a woman is evil, you need to understand her. If a man is evil, it's because he's a bad man.
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Sal
Famous Hero
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posted August 27, 2014 02:37 AM |
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Well, men are more [...insert here whatever outstanding...] than women on almost all levels, starting from worse -brutality- and getting to heaven -art creation-.
So portraying them as stupid goofs is necessary because otherwise women would really become frustrated. Now, in my humble opinion, the guy who is beaten by his wife (except if she is some karate trained harpy like Angelina Jolie) deserves what happens to him.
Go train your body then no girl can punch you without heavy retaliation!
Become a man in heart and fists!
Ok, joke aside, today French government exploded then they had to pile up it again. This time they explained that the parity woman/man will be the main goal: now we have 16 ministers, 8 with pussy, 8 without pussy.
Which is pretty stupid, if you ask me (probably you won't). Such serious things as a government should not be set according to pubic hair gender. The politically correct about feminism reached some low levels today.
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mvassilev
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posted August 27, 2014 03:10 AM |
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Sal said:
Now, in my humble opinion, the guy who is beaten by his wife (except if she is some karate trained harpy like Angelina Jolie) deserves what happens to him.
Literally saying that someone deserves to be abused if they're not physically strong. Just horrible. 
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Sal
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posted August 27, 2014 03:46 AM |
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Absolutely!
Taking self defense lessons before marriage should be a must for every thin man. They are cheap nowadays.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 27, 2014 08:41 AM |
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@Sal
"If you don't know self-defense, you deserve to be bullied"
Good point.
Sal, since we're on this topic, I want your opinion on this popular feminist phrase:
"Don't teach women not to be raped, teach men not to rape".
By the way, I agree with your statement. It is all based on your stance. It's either, you're all for baby-sitting the weak or you're all for teaching the weak to become strong. I agree with the latter. This applies to both men and women. Let's face it. It is much more realistic. The world is full of jerks. We can never teach jerks not to be jerks. We should all look out for ourselves. It's not impossible. I was bullied a couple of times back when I was younger but I made them stop bullying me.
And I agree, determining what on anything should not be based on your gender. There are exceptions but things like how many man/woman in the government shouldn't be an issue. People should be looked up based on their own individual merits, not what their gender is.
And about the media. I have a feeling that you're not joking about it. Let me rephrase it based on my own understanding. I think I disagree with it anyway.
Sal said:
Men are better than women in almost every level so it is important to make men look bad in order for women not to be frustrated.
I want your confirmation before I'll discuss about why I disagree.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 27, 2014 02:07 PM |
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I just watched episode 9 of Under the Dome and I feel bad for throwing it under the bus.
Under the Dome, unlike many movies/series doesn't demonize fathers. In this show, fathers are rather portrayed, no matter how evil they may be, loves their son and will do everything to protect them.
Take the Wolverine for example. Both X-men Origins and the one in Japan portrayed fathers (and grandfather) in a bad light. Yes, it's one of the most misandric show I've ever seen in my life. Harry Potter and Game of Thrones are other examples.
I have yet to see a movie/series that portrays mothers in a bad light. True Blood came close but she was redeemed in the end with a plot of "it was all the father's fault".
They're basing it on reality you say? No, statistics show that mothers are more likely to kill their kids than fathers.
Plus, we were all in agreement that the reason why the media portrays men as idiots and women as mature intellectuals (far from reality): it's to repel any stereotype of women (in other words, transfer those stereotypes to men).
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
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posted August 27, 2014 02:20 PM |
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted August 27, 2014 02:29 PM |
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abandonment is nowhere near as bad as murder through.
Here's another argument. If both parents are likely to be bad to their kids, why is it that only the father is portrayed negatively in the media?
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meroe
Supreme Hero
Basically Smurfette
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posted August 27, 2014 03:25 PM |
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As we have said many many many times to you before Jerry .... education, education, education. Educate yourself before debating.
Just a few movies that have portrayed awful mothers:-
Precious
Mommie Dearest
Carrie
The Manchurian Candidate
Citizen Kane
A.I.
Throw Momma From the Train
etc etc
As you can see the list above is not exhaustive and it shows both comical and serious representations.
Trends tend to go in circles. For one generation it may be silly forgetful mothers depicted in the media from movies to commercials. Then the next generation it will be silly forgetful fathers ... and so on etc ad nauseam.
Its the same for survival movies - in the 50's only men survived, unless they wanted a sequel and gave him a comely mate to pass the time with. Then the trend changed. At the moment audiences like to see tough females surviving. Its just a trend, no need to wet yourself with frustration. Next trend with have violent wholesale female suffering and you can feel better.
Educate yourself dear.
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
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posted August 27, 2014 03:28 PM |
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Welp I found a site that says you are wrong.
Quote:
"Killings of children by a natural parent are committed in roughly equal proportions by mothers (47%) and fathers (53%), but where the child is killed by someone other than a [birth] parent, males strongly predominate".
Regardless, mothers killing their children is a freak occurence. Children not having their dad is 33% of children. I assume plenty of writers feel abandoned by their fathers, if you're asking why abondonment or demonising of fathers is such a strong topic in literature and other artistic media.
To compare. About 53-55 children die every year in the united kingdom. Among fifteen million kids. That is 0,00036% of the kids in the UK. Compare to 33% in another civilised country. What I'm saying is there's a difference of scale. You're basically holding a 0,00036% freak occurence against half the population, which the other half is equally guilty of, according to this child abuse website I linked at the start of my post. And even if you are so unfortunate, it was a 47% it was your dad, if it was your parents.
Like, what are you even saying?
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meroe
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Basically Smurfette
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posted August 27, 2014 03:52 PM |
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Dagoth, I have already provided facts and statistics earlier in this sorry excuse of a thread 
Round and round in circles we go. In another weeks time, Jerry will bring the whole topic up again as though nothing previously has been said about it.
Maybe Jerry is amnesiac? Like that movie Memento ???? 
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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JeremiahEmo
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Famous Hero
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posted August 27, 2014 04:25 PM |
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@Dagoth
Hmm.. I thought we were all in agreement that we are talking mainly about the US.
Quote:
71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys
http://www.breakingthescience.org/SimplifiedDataFromDHHS.php
Also, look what else I found:
Quote:
When a son killed a parent, his victim was about as likely to be the mother as the father: 47% mothers versus 53% fathers.
But when a daughter killed a parent, her victim was more likely to be the father than the mother: 81% fathers versus 19% mothers.
Fathers are more likely to be victims of a son or a daughter.
Isn't it funny that the 47% mother vs 53% is exactly the same as the statistics you've given me except they removed that the mother and the father were the victims. Idk, this doesn't mean anything. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. It's just weird it is exactly the same.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mf.pdf
@Meroe
Are those the only examples you have?
Check this youtube video. He's anti-misandrist but you can see clearly misandry in the media. He has 16 videos of it, each containing a lot of examples. These are not necessarily fathers. The thing is, nowadays, it is acceptable to be violent against men while being violent against women is a big no-no.
https://www.youtube.com/user/theignoredgender/videos
Ok. If you think it's ok because trends change, that is acceptable. So I guess the over-sexualization of women is a non-issue too because, afterall, trends will change depending on what the general population wants.
If you can agree that if women are portrayed as bumbling fools while men being portrayed as geniuses all the time, then we can close this issue.
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meroe
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Basically Smurfette
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posted August 27, 2014 04:41 PM |
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Edited by meroe at 17:53, 27 Aug 2014.
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JeremiahEmo said:
@Meroe
Are those the only examples you have?
Check this youtube video. He's anti-misandrist but you can see clearly misandry in the media. He has 16 videos of it, each containing a lot of examples. These are not necessarily fathers. The thing is, nowadays, it is acceptable to be violent against men while being violent against women is a big no-no.
https://www.youtube.com/user/theignoredgender/videos
Ok. If you think it's ok because trends change, that is acceptable. So I guess the over-sexualization of women is a non-issue too because, afterall, trends will change depending on what the general population wants.
If you can agree that if women are portrayed as bumbling fools while men being portrayed as geniuses all the time, then we can close this issue.
Both genders are portrayed as bumbling fools and both as geniuses. Its just that you fixate on one gender because you are obsessed. Look at the Big Bang Theory. Probably the most popular show right now. I love it, people I know love it. The men are all geniuses and the main love interest was supposed to be a bit of a 'dumb blonde' character. However, by including smart women too, and counterbalancing with the foibles of smart men into the mix .... WHAM BOOM it now appeals to everyone because there are characteristics that everyone can relate too. The show often focuses on how different genders problem solve etc etc in a humorous setting.
I love Lucy was the epitome of a bumbling female fool, lovable but bumbling. So the truth is ... yes both are portrayed equally. Its you who cannot see it Jerry. You.
And as for you link, I did check it out, but again its just a guy fixating on a very narrow aspect of gender equality and rather than honestly tackling gender equality, he is, like you do, fixating on things such as media representation and trying to find a valid reason for not having equal pay for both genders. I see nothing regarding FGM, nothing regarding oppression in the Middle East, Asia, Africa. I just a guy talking about his fixated issues.
And considering that the media industry, especially movies are still run by men, who the hell are you complaining too?? Like I said, if you actually take the time out and research things, rather than go with what a couple of guys with a youtube account tell you, you will find that both genders have been vilified, mocked and made fun of.
Youtube ranters really should not be brought into an adult discussion - it is just their opinion nothing else. If I were to delve deeply enough I am sure I could come up with some female misandrist youtubers to link. It achieves nothing, except the feeling that you are grasping at straws in an attempt to validate your views. Anyone can have a youtube account and spew what they like (to a degree) that means absolutely nothing. Nothing.
EDIT
Ack, I have really got to start reading my posts before posting them
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted August 27, 2014 06:03 PM |
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Thread closed until further notice.
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