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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted August 11, 2015 12:41 AM |
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Edited by malax83 at 00:47, 11 Aug 2015.
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I m so hurry to find the key about "how to balance Haven"...
They discussed about Haven since two years, about academy balance racial, humm maybe since 1 year.. So.. Balance of wood elves should be discussed taking a cup of coffee two months ago..
... Where do i go wrong ?
Marzhin said:
You know, Heroes was never multiplayer oriented. Surveys and studies conducted after H5 and H6 reveal that the large majority of Heroes players (and we're talking about more than 80% here) actually only play campaigns and scenario maps, and never even clicked on the MP button.
Heroes Survey say the game is for lonely player (according to UBI). I understand now why there s so many racial abilities ... I already proposed a simplification of racial cf.1012
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted August 11, 2015 07:23 AM |
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That link doesn't work for me.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 11, 2015 09:27 AM |
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 11, 2015 10:05 AM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 10:07, 11 Aug 2015.
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dark-whisperer said:
That link doesn't work for me.
Storm-Giant said:
Me neither.
A film under this link has nothing to do with game (except for being a funny commentary). You won't lose much by not watching it. 
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 11, 2015 10:54 AM |
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nessich said:
You don't like the shape? :/
It's one of the "Agreed-upon" overused faff about it
It's on the skeleton and green dragon as well, you know?
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 12:08 PM |
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It does not work for me either hahah, but it's nothing really I guess (I did not even post it xD), I think my little sister has been at my computer messing with me again : P I'll just remove it.
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Matikun
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 11, 2015 01:48 PM |
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Ok, about 80 pixies killing 3 dragons in 1 hit - it's impossible.
Pixie deals 2-2 damage and she's got only 5 attack, when dragon has probably more than 200hp and more than 20 defence. Even with luck, 80 pixies aren't able to kill more than 1 dragon (or 0, I'm not sure) in 1 hit.
But if that was brute - it's changes everything, couse it's probably the strongest core in stronghold (like tier 3) and remember, that orcs have very powerful race ability, that increases their attack very seriously.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 02:00 PM |
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Matikun said:
Ok, about 80 pixies killing 3 dragons in 1 hit - it's impossible.
Pixie deals 2-2 damage and she's got only 5 attack, when dragon has probably more than 200hp and more than 20 defence. Even with luck, 80 pixies aren't able to kill more than 1 dragon (or 0, I'm not sure) in 1 hit.
But if that was brute - it's changes everything, couse it's probably the strongest core in stronghold (like tier 3) and remember, that orcs have very powerful race ability, that increases their attack very seriously.
Well brutes max damage is 6*80=480 and their attack with maxed blood-rage is 17 vs shadow dragons hp 180*3=540 with defense of 18 so that alone gets them roughly to same range. If we consider both heroes being offensive ones that would alone probably close the gap with attack-stats boost, let alone with having skills/abilities.
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Matikun
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 11, 2015 02:40 PM |
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We forgot about one very important thing. Flanking.
Brute's damage is multiplied by 3 with full flanking and luck (critical strike) so he can deal tons of damage. 
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Edited by TD at 15:33, 11 Aug 2015.
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Matikun said:
We forgot about one very important thing. Flanking.
Brute's damage is multiplied by 3 with full flanking and luck (critical strike) so he can deal tons of damage.
Not like I forgot anything... I just made the simple calculus to show that it's easily possible for 80 brutes to kill 3 dragons... Any small boost could essentially make it possible. If you really wanna go down to the line of how much damage you can do with 80 orcs, I can do that:
upgrade brutes to crushers * flanking bonus from behind * luck with ability to boost lucky strike * morale, take offense get +1 dmg
80*8*2,1*1,75*1,5*1,16(the +1 damage roughly)=4092.48= So they could kill over 21 dragons in theory if everything went perfect. Of course you get boost to attack from offense too, but I don't have the numbers on that(, but it would make orcs have higher atk than dragon has def). Not to mention boost from artifacts which could also give major boost + boosts from adventure map + possible boosts from governor + possible negative effects on enemy army from adventure map. I think the max they could kill would still be under 30 dragons with all the possible boosts. However then there is the other side to account with their possible boosts which could turn the table around all the same... So you see I just chose not to put the flanking in the original calculus because it was besides the point. there are so many things that effect the outcome that it's pointless to really list them when you can see from the numbers alone that the difference was very small
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 11, 2015 05:17 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 17:18, 11 Aug 2015.
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Shroud of Malassa
Skill itself is cool but abilities are overpowered, as usual (especially Dead Angle).
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 05:28 PM |
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Hey! If we show our combined hatred of the dragon we get articles on Tuesdays 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 11, 2015 05:31 PM |
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So Dungeon skill makes flanking even more devastating. And Assassins presumably have an ability that should make full flanking even more devastating.
That can't end well
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 11, 2015 05:32 PM |
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So Dungeon get a faction ability to buff units ? I fought its a magic oriented faction ... expected something like the academy one with destructive magic or so. NOt sure if I like this 
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We´re beautiful like diamonds in the sky ...
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 11, 2015 05:34 PM |
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So overpowering. One could hope that growth rate is incredibly small (like in H5 Dungeon).
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 11, 2015 05:34 PM |
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So overpowering. One could hope that growth rate is incredibly small (like in H5 Dungeon).
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 11, 2015 05:35 PM |
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Also, Minos will always strike twice with coordination, no relatation lol.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted August 11, 2015 05:35 PM |
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alexine said:
So Dungeon get a faction ability to buff units ? I fought its a magic oriented faction ... expected something like the academy one with destructive magic or so. NOt sure if I like this
Well, now they are magical assassins...
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"The age can be wicked to those who walk alone. When I look into the Mirror, I see myself as I might become..." -Freya
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted August 11, 2015 05:37 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 17:38, 11 Aug 2015.
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I tought you guys like when things are overpowered instead of balanced?
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 11, 2015 05:41 PM |
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Wellplay said:
I tought you guys like when things are overpowered instead of balanced?
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!
... no?
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