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ChrisD1
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posted August 12, 2015 06:20 PM |
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Y'all wanted dungeon because inferno was boring story-wise(although everyone screams that the lore is stupid and not worth noticing). And I guess dungeon was a possibility to see the old dungeon back.
Well enjoy your dungeon now,those unique medusas,the mighty minotaurs and your "dragons".
Although mostly new fans are responsible for the voting results (since old fans is a stagnant,if not dwindling, number of customers), a friendly reminder that you can't shoehorn enroth in ashan must be posted once again. Not like anybody is willing to get his head out of heroes' 3 bossoms anytime soon.
The shade of it all...
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:21 PM |
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The word 'disappointment' and variances are almost wearing out due constant use. We might as well start finding synonyms for that word to mirror this travesty of a game.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:24 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Y'all wanted dungeon because inferno was boring story-wise(although everyone screams that the lore is stupid and not worth noticing). And I guess dungeon was a possibility to see the old dungeon back.
Well enjoy your dungeon now,those unique medusas,the mighty minotaurs and your "dragons".
Although mostly new fans are responsible for the voting results (since old fans is a stagnant,if not dwindling, number of customers), a friendly reminder that you can't shoehorn enroth in ashan must be posted once again. Not like anybody is willing to get his head out of heroes' 3 bossoms anytime soon.
The shade of it all...
Well to be fair, most likely with Inferno we would have ended up with zergs/aliens again
(PS I voted for Inferno)
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Dexxxter25
Hired Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:32 PM |
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"Y'all wanted dungeon because inferno was boring story-wise(although everyone screams that the lore is stupid and not worth noticing). And I guess dungeon was a possibility to see the old dungeon back.
Well enjoy your dungeon now,those unique medusas,the mighty minotaurs and your "dragons".
Although mostly new fans are responsible for the voting results (since old fans is a stagnant,if not dwindling, number of customers), a friendly reminder that you can't shoehorn enroth in ashan must be posted once again. Not like anybody is willing to get his head out of heroes' 3 bossoms anytime soon.
The shade of it all... "
I didn't have much of a problem with Inferno, however you act like we wouldn't receive the same copy and paste if we had gotten the inferno. You do realize there are two inferno neutrals that look strait out of h6 right?
The issue isn't so much the faction that was chosen, but how Ubi-limbic has chosen to execute "creating" creatures for the said factions.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted August 12, 2015 06:33 PM |
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PandaTar said:
The word 'disappointment' and variances are almost wearing out due constant use. We might as well start finding synonyms for that word to mirror this travesty of a game.
I propse the word 'disappErwanment'.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 12, 2015 06:51 PM |
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Erwan's salary is at least 3000 euros, at 600 a model ubi could buy 5 new models with 1 month's worth of erwanism.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:55 PM |
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Dexxxter25 said:
I didn't have much of a problem with Inferno, however you act like we wouldn't receive the same copy and paste if we had gotten the inferno. You do realize there are two inferno neutrals that look strait out of h6 right?
The issue isn't so much the faction that was chosen, but how Ubi-limbic has chosen to execute "creating" creatures for the said factions.
Inferno's way to ashan ,from enroth, was the smoothest and actually it got better. Dungeon always suffered from an identity crisis and it shows.
Of course we would have re-used models from h6 but it could only get better,because inferno is heroes 6 actually was good.
The faction that was chosen was the most prone to to become smth bad (which happened) and be treated like it did. Inferno was actually the safest choice!!!
But I will agree this is Heroes 6.2.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 06:59 PM |
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But are new models really that cheap ?  I think there will be a difference between "public" models like this and ..private ? models for a company like ubisoft, to use in games
I actually thought creating a unit is very expensive, like 50K euros or something Otherwise its really greed from them if they cant pay 1K euro for a new model 
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 12, 2015 07:05 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Y'all wanted dungeon because inferno was boring story-wise(although everyone screams that the lore is stupid and not worth noticing). And I guess dungeon was a possibility to see the old dungeon back.
Well enjoy your dungeon now,those unique medusas,the mighty minotaurs and your "dragons".
neither choice was exciting or desirable, vote to see the awful dark elf usurpers once again with only a few token throwbacks to the actual faction legacy, or the indistinct red blob master race,
if you'll forgive a hark back to South Park, we were basically ordered to choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich lol
ChrisD1 said:
a friendly reminder that you can't shoehorn enroth in ashan must be posted once again. Not like anybody is willing to get his head out of heroes' 3 bossoms anytime soon.
to be honest you can quite easily, you just need to be halfway competent and not blow your entire load developing a thoroughly crap Heroes 6 only to have no money for Heroes 7 lol
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 12, 2015 07:08 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Inferno's way to ashan ,from enroth, was the smoothest and actually it got better. Dungeon always suffered from an identity crisis and it shows.
I disagree, Heroes 6 Inferno was probably my least favorite faction in terms of units. Juggernaut, Tormentor, Maniac ... just horrible creatures all and through. The Breeder at least was kind of interesting as a concept. But that is one faction I'm happy not to see copied again!
As for the Dungeon models, I think they resemble the artworks pretty much, for better or worse. I think the Hydra animation looks really good, however - that one does surprise me. The basic Troglodyte also it totally bad-ass, but as with the artwork, I find the upgrade sucks.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 07:12 PM |
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Ok,
So now that we finally seen the Dungeon - both models and gameplay, this is what I think:
What I like:
1. Townscreen is amazing
2. Music is great
3. Minotaur recolour from Heroes 6 but looks great anyway
4. Hydras are imposing and suit Dungeon so much, I missed them!
5. Soulless are actually really fitting unit. So... disturbing and puppetry. I like how the bow after the battle  . Much better then Faceless but I would prefer Manticores anyway..
6. Troglodytes animation, movements are just so cute No seriosly I love them.
7. Faction ability is solid, moving through stacks offers tactical advantage but not so 'be all or end all' like Invisibility.
What I dislike:
1. Well... Assassins and Stalkers are overdone. Assassins are complete copy paste from Heroes 6, although both are OK... I wasn't really impressed.
2. Medusa look much better on the artwork. Those spaghetti hair, Heroes 6 animations.....
3. And last but not least...
MOTHS OK, PIXIE DRAKES? DRAGONS!!!
What the hell is that? They are tiny, purple, with atrocius wings
Even a copy paste from Heroes 6 would look BETTER. How did you manage to make it look so
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Now the combat gameplay...
Arenas are nice...
Floating text is oversized..
Unit scaling? does it even exist? 
Looking forward to the Beta though...Like the factions overall, and , oh - Liches and Vampires look amazing in combat video.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 07:16 PM |
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alexine said:
But are new models really that cheap ? I think there will be a difference between "public" models like this and ..private ? models for a company like ubisoft, to use in games
I actually thought creating a unit is very expensive, like 50K euros or something Otherwise its really greed from them if they cant pay 1K euro for a new model
I don't care if making new models isn't cheap because the game they want us to buy is not cheap also ! you want to reuse models make game cheaper
and I think there wouldn't be as much problem with reusing models from previous games of the gameplay would be outstanding, but it's not so I don't why should we pay full price for a game that was made using half-measures
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 07:16 PM |
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alexine said:
I actually thought creating a unit is very expensive, like 50K euros or something
You are so awesome Alexine! You really cheered me up
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 12, 2015 07:17 PM |
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Maybe because they are custom made they may cost a more, but no way more than 2-3 times lol, ubi's are actually lower quality from what I have seen, also let's not forget that those I showed were also rigged, optimized and textured/mapped, so if you want to add more customatization just go ahead. CGI for movies and cutscenes is indeed more expensive, but you can't render those on your computer, in-game models like those ubi showed aren't as expensive. They also use unreal whose render and light tricks turn even a simple box into a marvel. They got no exxuse to pull out the "it will cost us a raid tier" meme when they reuse h6 models
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nessich
Hired Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 07:31 PM |
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Lol, those medusas are high AF. The unupgraded trog and the hydra are the only descent units in this line-up.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 12, 2015 07:38 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
alexine said:
I actually thought creating a unit is very expensive, like 50K euros or something
You are so awesome Alexine! You really cheered me up
ThatRedSarah said:
alexine said:
I actually thought creating a unit is very expensive, like 50K euros or something
You are so awesome Alexine! You really cheered me up
But I really thinked so ! That´s why i was thinking redesigning that lich and vampire because some players raged was a nonsensical decission and it cant pay off. .. but if both of them costed like 1K euros or even less, that was actualy quite a good move ... in that case thought I dont understand why are they recycling the old units ? 500 euros for a new model is nothing for them .. thats like 5 collectors editions sold
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 12, 2015 07:46 PM |
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alexine said:
But I really thinked so ! That´s why i was thinking redesigning that lich and vampire because some players raged was a nonsensical decission and it cant pay off. .. but if both of them costed like 1K euros or even less, that was actualy quite a good move ... in that case thought I dont understand why are they recycling the old units ? 500 euros for a new model is nothing for them .. thats like 5 collectors editions sold
Ubisoft can easily afford new models but they desire maximum wages for minimum effort, I think this is a mix of 1) Team Erwin not being trusted with high budgets any more since the Heroes 6 fiasco, and 2) the company overall simply being a bunch of chancers trying to see how much they can cut corners and get away with lol
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 12, 2015 07:47 PM |
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I'd say 1.5-2k including full animation, fees and upgrade
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 12, 2015 07:47 PM |
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snowin' chaffers, the bunch of 'em
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 12, 2015 07:47 PM |
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alexine said:
500 euros for a new model is nothing for them .. thats like 5 collectors editions sold
But then again, how many collectors editions do we actually think DO get sold? I mean, 500 euros indeed isn't a lot of money, but 500 here and 500 there quickly does add up.
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