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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted November 12, 2015 04:31 PM |
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Just watched a little of natalka's video.
Is there a reason for all those repetitive clicks and clacks and screeches which can be heard every time you touch, move or interact with anything?
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted November 12, 2015 05:14 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
That picture brings me back... used to draw random heroes stuff all the time!
But that unicorn...it's just a face and a horn 
Ok, I get it, LOL. But nonetheless, to me, the picture somehow reveals the essence of homm3 graphical style. Congratulation to whoever did it! Seriously! But I, for one, definitely wouldn’t want this in H7.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted November 12, 2015 05:29 PM |
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If they had something of this quality in 2D, I would pretty much find it much better than the current 3D settings.
Of course, not saying here that producing such thing would be easier. Just presenting a pleasing 2D example. Another game with superb graphics:
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 12, 2015 06:25 PM |
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 12, 2015 06:42 PM |
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They already dressed that point. 2.5D production wise is the same as doing 3D (because its 3D in a 2D plane) and hand-drawn stuff is actually more expensive
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 12, 2015 06:47 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
They already dressed that point. 2.5D production wise is the same as doing 3D (because its 3D in a 2D plane) and hand-drawn stuff is actually more expensive
That statement only says that they don't want to invest in HoMM, yet they want to profit.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted November 12, 2015 07:05 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Of course, not saying here that producing such thing would be easier.
Look, I'm quoting myself! How scary.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 12, 2015 09:36 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
GenyaArikado said:
They already dressed that point. 2.5D production wise is the same as doing 3D (because its 3D in a 2D plane) and hand-drawn stuff is actually more expensive
That statement only says that they don't want to invest in HoMM, yet they want to profit.
Not only that. Today I was thinking about the issue of 3D and 2D Heroes games. Many people state that whe Heroes games would reurn to 2D, then they would look better from the get-go. Is that the case? I don't think so. Even further, I believe that the return to 2D would cause more troubles that it would bring benefits.
Let's assume that some kind of "miracle" happens and a dev company that would create Heroes VIII decides to return to 2D graphics. This would be one of the most worrying decisions that they would make. Why, you may ask? Heroes I-III showed just how good such form of presentation can be. This is the main source of all the problems that Heroes games face right now. Devs have tons of sources of inspiration, even within thje franchise, yet they always seem to fail to implement them properly into the game. Look at the skillwheel in Heroes V and VII, decrease in number of resources in Heroes VI, implementation of leveling artifacts in Heroes VI, etc. I think most of us can notice a pattern here - there's always a will to improve the gameplay and it falls short of expectations. I am nearly sure that this would happen as well with 2D implementation. 3D in Heroes V to VII can be vastly improved, of course, but it's implementation is at least on a consistent level. I think that this PandaTar's quote sums everything up perfectly:
PandaTar said:
Of course, not saying here that producing such thing would be easier.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 12, 2015 10:16 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
GenyaArikado said:
They already dressed that point. 2.5D production wise is the same as doing 3D (because its 3D in a 2D plane) and hand-drawn stuff is actually more expensive
That statement only says that they don't want to invest in HoMM, yet they want to profit.
Who says they're gonna make more money by making a hand drawn style game or a 2.5D plane game though? I'm not really here for going back to the H1/2/3 battle style. The map idc, any way works for me.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 12, 2015 10:17 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
I believe that the return to 2D would cause more troubles that it would bring benefits.
More like staying 3D causes more troubles than benefits If I had the time I could write an essay on the subject..
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 12, 2015 11:09 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Who says they're gonna make more money by making a hand drawn style game or a 2.5D plane game though? I'm not really here for going back to the H1/2/3 battle style. The map idc, any way works for me.
I wasn't talking about 2D vs 3D at all. I was talking about general attitude towards the franchise: little investment. I mean, look at the H7. Most of the assets are recycled form H6, and the whole game seems cheap. And thay charge that piece of ..... 50 dollars/euros. Not to mention that the game is basically unfinished: multiplayer not working, bugs, crashes, idiotic AI (H3, that was made in 1999 had much better AI!)...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 12, 2015 11:53 PM |
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on the contrary my friend FrostyMuadDib, Heroes 7 actually received all the investment it needed to succeed according to Team Erwin lol
Ubi-Arnaud said:
Please take good note that we do not consider Heroes VII as under budgeted project and never mentioned this idea. Our devs are doing their best to deliver an amazing Heroes experience with quality gameplay and hours and hours of fun thanks to exciting Factions and tools. This is our vision. Even if 3D towns and unique mounts are great features, and we do not deny that, this shouldn't prevent us from doing a good Heroes game in the end. Exciting news and reveals are approaching so keep faith
from the evidence, the fact that it sucks is a matter of incompetence and lack of talent, not money lol
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted November 12, 2015 11:57 PM |
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Ubi-Arnaud said:
[...] This is our vision. [...]
"vision"
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 13, 2015 12:01 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Ubi-Arnaud said:
[...] This is our vision. [...]
"vision"
Or its mere illusion.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 13, 2015 12:11 AM |
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frostymuaddib said:
GenyaArikado said:
Who says they're gonna make more money by making a hand drawn style game or a 2.5D plane game though? I'm not really here for going back to the H1/2/3 battle style. The map idc, any way works for me.
I wasn't talking about 2D vs 3D at all. I was talking about general attitude towards the franchise: little investment. I mean, look at the H7. Most of the assets are recycled form H6, and the whole game seems cheap. And thay charge that piece of ..... 50 dollars/euros. Not to mention that the game is basically unfinished: multiplayer not working, bugs, crashes, idiotic AI (H3, that was made in 1999 had much better AI!)...
fair enough
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 13, 2015 02:12 AM |
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verriker said:
from the evidence, the fact that it sucks is a matter of incompetence and lack of talent, not money lol
I won't call those statements evidence. Better word would be lies On a serious note, I think that the probem is combination of both things: little investment + incompetence and lack of talent.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 13, 2015 08:26 AM |
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Let's just say, HoMM 7 got the budget HoMM 6 earned.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 13, 2015 11:39 AM |
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frostymuaddib said:
I won't call those statements evidence. Better word would be lies On a serious note, I think that the probem is combination of both things: little investment + incompetence and lack of talent.
you really believe our spider messiah Erwin and the prophet Vivendi-Nox would lie to the faithful? gee, I dunno man lol
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 13, 2015 11:45 AM |
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You are right, Verriker. What I said was blasphemy. I should burn in Sheogh for that.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted November 13, 2015 12:25 PM |
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@ PandaTar and Galaad:
What games are those? Good graphics....
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