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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted November 16, 2015 02:28 PM |
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There will be no expansion. They are using all that overhead on fixing the game when they should have been working on adding to a working one. And the public perception of H7 is terrible, so management will be very reluctant to invest more money in it.
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Karanshade
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 02:28 PM |
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Stevie said:
I know I'm not. Damage's been done and no amount of patching can fix it.
What damage ? sorry I have no clue as to what you are referring to.
I find the game very pleasant to play despite balance issues and stupid AI. Typical for this kind of games.
As it is now , I've the impression of systematic negativism. I 'm pretty sure that if H3 would come out today , he 'd be trashed.
Yes I would like it to be better polished and its not quite there yet, some tweaking in skills notabily. The movement issue do exist I agree , even so I find limiting movement to move the game around objectives control to be a very interresting idea , just one hard for mapmaker to grasp.
Definitely I would not want an overhauled game at all. Creatures are fine for me, witht the exceptions of deers but that s pure taste. The way you play the factions is especially interresting in terms of differentiated gameplay. I had fun playing a main governor undead , a lucky elvish snow , some happy all bring the light angel , an air based barbarian , a dark elf rogue (never really had this impression of playing an assassin in heroes before HOMM7 dungeon and that's refreshing).
Most of the stupidity of some CCs have been removed (like puppet and frenzy) , spells schools , while still not fairly balanced , indicates a direction in play style I'm quite happy with. The skill wheel has the right approach and I do find myself happy to have this 'one more skill point' to put in , even so I feel limited with 30 skills. But all that is tweaking , the idea is good IMHO.
And yes I have a long list of things that are wrong , but none of them are on the metagame design for sure. So disaster ? I'm not sure what is meant here.
Ofc I don't play PvP on heroes ever , even so I'm a big PvP player , I prefer my PvP to be reactive. I admit using HOMM as a single player adventure and characters numbers tweaking game.
Bitula said:
So now only time can tell how well it will fair. I don’t see any reason for pessimism so far. Let them work, let’s see what happens.
And that concludes my point prety much. I agree 100% 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 16, 2015 02:37 PM |
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Karanshade said:
(yeah long time reader)
Karanshade said:
What damage ? sorry I have no clue as to what you are referring to.
lol
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 16, 2015 02:45 PM |
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Brukernavn said:
There will be no expansion. They are using all that overhead on fixing the game when they should have been working on adding to a working one. And the public perception of H7 is terrible, so management will be very reluctant to invest more money in it.
I'm gonna disagree with you for once here, I think they were probably contracted for an expansion or DLC in advance (it's the Ubisoft way), but after that gets coughed up the game will certainly die lol
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 02:57 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 15:11, 16 Nov 2015.
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Well, some people are like that, choosing to turn a blind eye even to the most blatant of issues like 32bit .exe not working, multiplayer not working, crashes and corrupt saves, script broken campaigns, Artificial Ineptitude, severe performance issues especially for high end specs, not to mention the mediocre game design, poor balance and bazillions of bugs and broken features. The thing that gets me quite stirred up is the fact that some people dismiss the truly impartial people as "negative" when all they bring to the table themselves is their own personal opinion of how much they enjoyed this or that. To those people I only have to say that as long as they disregard the obvious snow ups the game had to suffer from ever since release, I will too in turn disregard their little lip service as factually incorrect / ignorant and biased. That's all there is to it.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 16, 2015 03:50 PM |
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I was about to write something, but you Stevie said everything that was on my mind 
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 16, 2015 04:21 PM |
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I will disagree with you this time.
If you read the user reviews carefully, you will see that most of negative (as well as positive) reviews criticise only/especially the technical state of the game. So, if Limbic will be able to fix these issues, H7 has a big chance to become quite successful, with more expansions possible.
You personally may dislike some features like skillwheel or class system. But generally, out of this community, this game has mechanics good enough to be successful. OF course, I cannot be sure if Ubilimbic uses this chance or not.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 04:27 PM |
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Yeah Stevie nailed it. The only thing this games got going for it (imo) are the visuals. I think the classic creatures for the most part are visually stunning. The adventure map is nice too. But now that I've had my fill of it all that's left is a broken, very generic game. A lot of the problems don't really effect me since I don't play multiplayer or the campaign all that much, but the skill system just ruins the game.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 04:54 PM |
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Antalyan said:
But generally, out of this community, this game has mechanics good enough to be successful.
The problem is, this is the superior offer, especially combined with this thing,
this is also one hell of an offer, especially in connection with the stuff you can link to here
and even this with this
is superior.
What exactly does "good enough to be successful" mean? To end up in the black?
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 16, 2015 05:20 PM |
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Antalyan said:
H7 has a big chance to become quite successful
I think that this game will be forgotten, just like H6. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that there are people who enjoy H7. But, the best case scenario for H7 is to be remembered as mediocre game, imo. Still, with idiotic AI (let us face it, game that was released in 1999 had better AI), and no multiplayer, even that seems like wishful thinking. And, I think that the damage was already done with this kind of release...
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 16, 2015 05:25 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Antalyan said:
But generally, out of this community, this game has mechanics good enough to be successful.
The problem is, this is the superior offer, especially combined with this thing,
this is also one hell of an offer, especially in connection with the stuff you can link to here
and even this with this
is superior.
What exactly does "good enough to be successful" mean? To end up in the black?
If you remember it, H5 was a catastrophical game after its release. There was even no possibility to load a game from a combat, you had to quit it manually. The reason why many people consider it to be The best Heroes ever (or second best after H3, it depends on personal preferences) is ToE.
Alternative upgrades, sets of artifcats, caravans... And then fan-made MMH5.5.
I say it is too early to judge success of H7. Wait for fully-patched game, or maybe for its expansions, if any. And then judge.
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olorin
Adventuring Hero
tophatchild.blogspot.com
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posted November 16, 2015 05:27 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
The problem is, this is the superior offer, especially combined with this thing,
this is also one hell of an offer, especially in connection with the stuff you can link to here
and even this with this
is superior.
Exactly, what's the point in releasing a new Heroes game that doesn't even surpass the prequels? Not to mention the current poor state of the product. A Heroes game has to be playable (the damn load times) and replayable (the doomed editor). Otherwise, it's better to move on and get one of these (aside from the quoted above): AOW SW, AOW III. By the way, take a look at their rating/price and compare them with "our" Heroes VII. Again, 50 bucks for what?
Anyway, I do hope both will be salvage in the upcoming patches... or mods, hehehe 
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 05:50 PM |
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There are many decisions that were made that give me little hope for future content to fix the genetic gameplay. Ranging from big ones like the skill wheel but also Decisions like putting an elite shooter in the same spot in every faction (as a normal elite unit) so what am I suppose to get excited about for expansions.
It's like they actually believe they did things right which is just mind blowing to me. And it's scary to think they have an entire team of people working on this game and not one can see the obvious problems.
It become more clear that the choice when starting a game is not what faction do I want play, but it's what kind of skills would I like to play with. And that choice is what picks my faction. And that sucks.
I keep trying to find ways around it but it's just impossible, everything loops back around to this terrible skill system. And it's not even the indivual skills I have a problem but just the lack of choice. If they refuse to change it then their game made "for the fans" that can't be enjoyed by the fans is well....pointless.
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Karanshade
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 05:50 PM |
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Stevie said:
Well, some people are like that, choosing to turn a blind eye even to the most blatant of issues like 32bit .exe not working, multiplayer not working, crashes and corrupt saves, script broken campaigns, Artificial Ineptitude, severe performance issues especially for high end specs, not to mention the mediocre game design, poor balance and bazillions of bugs and broken features. The thing that gets me quite stirred up is the fact that some people dismiss the truly impartial people as "negative" when all they bring to the table themselves is their own personal opinion of how much they enjoyed this or that. To those people I only have to say that as long as they disregard the obvious snow ups the game had to suffer from ever since release, I will too in turn disregard their little lip service as factually incorrect / ignorant and biased. That's all there is to it.
Whaoo ignorant and factually incorrect. You might even add that I've been paid by ubisoft to have a good opinion. Sorry I can't really have enough guts to namecall that much , not my style. Trying to keep my head cool tough after that much hate.
About technical whatever , I've yet to have my game crash even once , and the loading time is quite ok on my PC. Now I have a high end brand new one , optimised for computation ( I 'm a data scientist so I need that to work) , and I don't play MP as I said. So if your have an issue there. So far playing SP no technical absurdity to report , and I played more than I should have , which is refreshing. Again I get caught by the 'one more turn' feeling when playing so I can't destroy it.
Please note also , that I only bought the game recently, one day before 1.4 was out , so I might not have encountered the horrible start of the game. Severe performance issues ? no problem there too , but again my PC is rather high end so I can't really say for someone else experience. Nor should I. Nor should you.
About balance and poor AI , I did mention it , didn't I ? they don't bother me , as long as keep patching things little by little with regularity. I'm not asking for a 'miracle patch' , just a regular bunch of them. So far Limbic seems to be delivering on that.
And yes all I can offer to the debate are my opinions ,which are carefully positive and hopefull. I don't really value sentences like " the the obvious snow ups the game " or " the truly impartial people" . You are the 'truly impartial one' ? How come we don't have the same opinion then ?
What I mean is , we are all partial , I find the comments so far to be overly 'negative' , too negative. And it is my opinions. Am I allowed to speak my mind without having to suffer from someone who is so blinded that he thinks he holds some 'impartiality' that is in fact impossible to reach.
You don't like the game and I do. I'll be more than happy to debate on facts and specific aspect of the game.
But when you go with "the mediocre game design" like it is a fact , no sorry I can't take your post like a very serious one. Again I'm perfectly fine with you not liking the game design. I do like it , that s probably what I like best so far.
Oh btw seeing the wall of text I wrote to answer to you , I should grant you something , you managed to troll me much more that I wanted to be trolled.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 05:53 PM |
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Antalyan said:
If you remember it, H5 was a catastrophical game after its release. There was even no possibility to load a game from a combat, you had to quit it manually. The reason why many people consider it to be The best Heroes ever (or second best after H3, it depends on personal preferences) is ToE.
That's actually not true. HoMM 5 wasn't catastrophical at all. Instead it was released at a time when a lot of features were planned, but not ready, but the only major overhaul in game mechanics is the changed Necromancy workings - which also serves as proof of the willingness of the crew to change existing mechanics to the better.
Central Homm 7 mechanics are a stillbirth.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted November 16, 2015 06:27 PM |
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verriker said:
Brukernavn said:
There will be no expansion. They are using all that overhead on fixing the game when they should have been working on adding to a working one. And the public perception of H7 is terrible, so management will be very reluctant to invest more money in it.
I'm gonna disagree with you for once here, I think they were probably contracted for an expansion or DLC in advance (it's the Ubisoft way), but after that gets coughed up the game will certainly die lol
Yes, I think so too. My point was there is a limit to how long they can "fix" the game before they start working on more content. The longer it takes, the more likely it is that Ubisoft will terminate their contract. They can't have them working forever without making any more money. On the other hand, could you image the outrage if they released a DLC to a game full of bugs? Or maybe not, they did it with H6 But I am expecting a DLC, but I don't think there will be an expansion.
Antalyan said:
I will disagree with you this time.
If you read the user reviews carefully, you will see that most of negative (as well as positive) reviews criticise only/especially the technical state of the game. So, if Limbic will be able to fix these issues, H7 has a big chance to become quite successful, with more expansions possible.
You personally may dislike some features like skillwheel or class system. But generally, out of this community, this game has mechanics good enough to be successful. OF course, I cannot be sure if Ubilimbic uses this chance or not.
Of course the most obvious game-breaking issues will be mentioned most often - most negative reviewers won't bother to play the game for long when it doesn't work properly.
And if they actually managed to fix the game, I wouldn't expect in-depth analyses of game mechanics as you find on this site. Rather people will say something like:
"I've Played through some/all the campaigns. It was OK, but became boring after a while. If you haven't played Heroes before, I would rather buy one of the older games than this one. If you have played Heroes before, this game offers nothing new. Better save your money."
The fact that H7 is not fun is a result of mediocre skillwheel, class system and so on. Sure, the individual aspects are not horrible, and you can always point out positive things, but the sum of all parts will still be a boring game (with many, many technical hurdles to overcome).
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 16, 2015 07:01 PM |
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Karanshade said:
About technical whatever , I've yet to have my game crash even once , and the loading time is quite ok on my PC.
Hmm, can I ask you for a few precisions? How much time to load a save from lets say second week, large map, 5-6 players, on your computer? It took me up to one minute (even more but lets be generous), which is why I consider the game horribly optimized and to throw asap.
Also how much time you spend between clicking H7 icon game and find yourself in the game (passing the intro, setup, choose maps etc)? It takes me up to 1 minute too, so combined with the first issue, is a no go for me.
Do you have better times? What means OK today?
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2015 11:08 PM |
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Karanshade said:
I 'm pretty sure that if H3 would come out today , he 'd be trashed.
lol
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 17, 2015 01:06 AM |
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Aesthetically wise it would probably have poor reception. But technically wise i doubt it
It'd flop harder than Milli Vanilli's career though
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted November 17, 2015 01:11 AM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 01:28, 17 Nov 2015.
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well, I thought it was only me to feel not in mood for playing it.
thats very very bad, mostly because ubi cheated us 2 times already.
Its first time in history of heroes games Im simply not having the mood to play! 
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