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Antalyan
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Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 17, 2017 07:01 PM |
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Galaad said:
Antalyan said:
First of all, JVC is working on a mobile game and I wouldn't like to see H8 as a mobile game (or a game similar to that). Nothing more, nothing else.
No one asked for a mobile Heroes game, are you misunderstanding on purpose or just trying to be provocative?
I think you have known me long enough to find out I am hardly ever provocative 
I'm just trying to emphasize that the person who created this game in the past century may have different visions and imaginations today.
Gryphs said:
Lol, none of this thread is. Who is even playing H7 anymore.
Antalyan is playing H7 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 17, 2017 07:11 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I think you have known me long enough to find out I am hardly ever provocative
No, when you say:
Antalyan said:
I am just a bit tired from reading comments like "if JVC returned, everything would be nice, game better, sky more blue etc". It's true one good director can reach a lot but don't expect miracles. There are many other similar companies in game business which could manage it as well.
It sounds like you wouldn't want JVC to get his IP back. Which even if you may not realize it, is rude, at least here. And when we say what he is doing currently is great, even if for a different market, you say "I don't want h8 mobile game", which is rude again, as a poor attempt of dismissal not even on topic to the points addressed.
He gave us an awesome experience you don't even know of, it's fine if you enjoy these pieces of garbage which are h6 and h7 but don't start bullcrap such as "JVC had awful plans for h5" because I sure as hell would have wanted to see JVC's h5.
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Antalyan
Promising
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H7 Forever
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posted March 17, 2017 07:55 PM |
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Galaad said:
Antalyan said:
I think you have known me long enough to find out I am hardly ever provocative
No, when you say:
Antalyan said:
I am just a bit tired from reading comments like "if JVC returned, everything would be nice, game better, sky more blue etc". It's true one good director can reach a lot but don't expect miracles. There are many other similar companies in game business which could manage it as well.
It sounds like you wouldn't want JVC to get his IP back. Which even if you may not realize it, is rude, at least here. And when we say what he is doing currently is great, even if for a different market, you say "I don't want h8 mobile game", which is rude again, as a poor attempt of dismissal not even on topic to the points addressed.
He gave us an awesome experience you don't even know of, it's fine if you enjoy these pieces of garbage which are h6 and h7 but don't start bullcrap such as "JVC had awful plans for h5" because I sure as hell would have wanted to see JVC's h5.
Even here, I really doubt disagreement with your (or anyone else's) opinion is rude, as long as it's done in an ordinary, inoffensive way. Unless worshipping JVC is your religion and this place his altar...
Otherwise I would have to consider calling H6 and H7 "garbages" as rude as well.
As regards his plans, I remember some very first concepts I saw and which I did not like much but I admit I shouldn't have judged it so quickly as long as I did not know the gameplay and other things.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted March 17, 2017 08:39 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 20:41, 17 Mar 2017.
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Antalyan said:
Otherwise I would have to consider calling H6 and H7 "garbages" as rude as well.
I know it can sound rude to you and I did it on purpose but the truth is objectively h6 and h7 are plain garbage as they are not even a pale imitation but rather an insult to the original series. But you can't even start to comprehend since you didn't even play them.
And thanks I think we had enough of the "h3 holy grail" "JVC worship" mockery, of course I worship him, I spent like half my life playing his games.
Ah, the atmosphere is so **** in here.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted March 17, 2017 09:36 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I'm just trying to emphasize that the person who created this game in the past century may have different visions and imaginations today.
Gryphs said:
Lol, none of this thread is. Who is even playing H7 anymore.
Antalyan is playing H7
No joke? Hey, I am glad you like it. 
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted March 17, 2017 10:17 PM |
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Gryphs said:
Lol, none of this thread is. Who is even playing H7 anymore.
Does "playing" in the Heroes 7 editor count as playing Heroes 7?
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 18, 2017 02:56 PM |
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Edited by Antalyan at 14:58, 18 Mar 2017.
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Galaad said:
Antalyan said:
Otherwise I would have to consider calling H6 and H7 "garbages" as rude as well.
I know it can sound rude to you and I did it on purpose but the truth is objectively h6 and h7 are plain garbage as they are not even a pale imitation but rather an insult to the original series. But you can't even start to comprehend since you didn't even play them.
And thanks I think we had enough of the "h3 holy grail" "JVC worship" mockery, of course I worship him, I spent like half my life playing his games.
Ah, the atmosphere is so **** in here.
I'm repeating myself but nothing like "objectively bad" exists. You can like the game or not, you can consider it to be good or bad, but that is all. No generally valid truth.
It's similar to food. When I don't like its taste, it still does not mean someone else could not. Or that he should not speak about it. What's more, I would be happy they preparedthe food which is loved at least by someone.
If I acted like you, Galaad, I would have to think the majority of people and words here are rude (while the opposite is true in fact  ).
Try to notice that I have never said anything like H3 being bad or something like that.
Anyway, I like H5-H7 (especially the last one) in similar way you do with the older ones, just for not so many years as they are not so much old.
Gryphs said:
Antalyan said:
I'm just trying to emphasize that the person who created this game in the past century may have different visions and imaginations today.
Gryphs said:
Lol, none of this thread is. Who is even playing H7 anymore.
Antalyan is playing H7
No joke? Hey, I am glad you like it.
lordgraa said:
Gryphs said:
Lol, none of this thread is. Who is even playing H7 anymore.
Does "playing" in the Heroes 7 editor count as playing Heroes 7?
Not sure about that, does "going to school" include the journey to it?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 18, 2017 03:26 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:27, 18 Mar 2017.
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Antalyan said:
I'm repeating myself but nothing like "objectively bad" exists.
Wrong.
There is countless examples really but I will give one anyone, even the most stubborn type, should be able to get.
Take a musical piece, you have the original, then some band makes a cover. If the cover is out of rhythm, with the wrong harmonies, and a solo that doesn't fit the mood of the tune, one may like it, one may love it and even call it the best thing he ever heard in his whole life, still, the cover, because you compare it to the original and use rational criteria, is objectively bad. Obviously the same happens with film remakes, acting surrogates, or in our case here, video games.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 18, 2017 03:26 PM |
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Objectively bad no. Objectively worse yes. Objectively much worse also a distinct possibility.
It's like the term expert AI. My grandmother's mind would be blown. Mine.. wasn't.
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AlHazin
Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
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posted March 18, 2017 03:34 PM |
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I am afraid. This reminds me of the time when the Soviet Union was creating giant tomatoes. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 18, 2017 03:53 PM |
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Elvin said:
Objectively bad no. Objectively worse yes. Objectively much worse also a distinct possibility.
It's like the term expert AI. My grandmother's mind would be blown. Mine.. wasn't.
"Objectively worse" implies the original wasn't good to begin with, which is not the case. You don't say your neighbor's ****** car is worse than your Ferrari, you just know one works great while the other is a piece of trash that can't even start properly everytime you launch it. One can genuinely prefer the ****** car and even think Ferrari is the actual trash, but I would dare to tell him his opinion is wrong, because objectively the Ferrari is the superior product.
And my grandmother would never ever have had her mind blown by h7's AI.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 18, 2017 04:31 PM |
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Are you suggesting that my grandmother is bad? 
lol
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted March 18, 2017 05:58 PM |
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Galaad said:
And my grandmother would never ever have had her mind blown by h7's AI.
Lol, ditto.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 18, 2017 07:32 PM |
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@galaad
Probably my last attempt but what are the rational criteria you're speaking about?
Which of them is the one that decides about the game being good or bad?
The example of the car works as Ferrari is better in every single aspect than the one of your neighbour.
However, H7 has many improvements compared to the original ones, objectively speaking for sure. (Do you see what the issue is? If I had never visited this place, I would be pretty sure that everybody must see H7 graphics as much better than for example the H4 or H3 one. Absoluteky objectively, without any discussion).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 18, 2017 08:48 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Which of them is the one that decides about the game being good or bad?
Before we start checking design or features on a one on one basis, aren't the game ratings a good enough indication?
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 18, 2017 09:37 PM |
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Elvin said:
Antalyan said:
Which of them is the one that decides about the game being good or bad?
Before we start checking design or features on a one on one basis, aren't the game ratings a good enough indication?
Not exactly, game ratings show how many people like the game or not. But objectively means without any subjective feelings and opinions, only based on facts.
That's why dare to claim no rating can ever be objective, at least as long as it's done by humans. Each single review is only the opinion of its writer.
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AlHazin
Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
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posted March 18, 2017 09:54 PM |
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@Antalyan: you admit at least that H7 is a rather bad game, right?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted March 18, 2017 10:32 PM |
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lol why are you guys having another debate on Heroes 7 with Antalian lol
no offense to you or him as all are very nice blokes but waste of time, he does not really care to understand the premises we are arguing from so it is like trying to reason with something very intractable like a brick wall or a stone lol
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AlHazin
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Supreme Hero
النور
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posted March 18, 2017 10:42 PM |
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verriker said:
he does not really care to understand the premises we are arguing from so it is like trying to reason with something very intractable like a brick wall or a stone lol
I converted a stone once. It even grew a religious beard of moss.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 18, 2017 10:50 PM |
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AlHazin said:
@Antalyan: you admit at least that H7 is a rather bad game, right?
Nope it is a good game (my most favourite one atm.) with bad publisher.
Its potential is still incredible.
AlHazin said:
verriker said:
he does not really care to understand the premises we are arguing from so it is like trying to reason with something very intractable like a brick wall or a stone lol
I converted a stone once. It even grew a religious beard of moss.
Lol
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