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Sandro400
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posted October 21, 2014 08:10 PM |
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A8T said:
Loving these Articles!
Vladikraj, Cherna hills, Whitemane and Eastalon are all towns/cities from Heroes 6 Haven Campaign map number 2, "Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair". Voron's Peak is mentioned in the same map, and makes an appearance in the Tribes of the East Prolog map "A Murder of Crows" where you seemingly destroy it. And Ashwick you may remember as a rebelious town from early in the Heroes 5 Haven Campaign maps The Rebellion and The Siege (the 2nd town you ever see in the game!).
Can't agree more 
Good memory. But not perfect. The town where Unicorn&Griffin fought Greyhound is Ashwood, not Ashwick. Btw, both were in H5 (Ashwick is that rebellious town, Ashwood was a merchant's town). Ashwick was in H6 too and maybe Ashwood was there as well.
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Pawek_13
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posted October 21, 2014 08:28 PM |
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lordgraa said:
Winter is coming!
And those "Ice Demons"... hmm 
It can be seen that Wolf Duchy is a faction in itself. The question is - why would a representative of this Duchy (or maybe even a whole one) would be on site of Ivan at the end? I just hope that Ivann will make a mistake once because up to this point he is impeccable. Maybe some nice blondie would make him less vigilant...?
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Sandro400
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posted October 21, 2014 08:34 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
It can be seen that Wolf Duchy is a faction in itself. The question is - why would a representative of this Duchy (or maybe even a whole one) would be on site of Ivan at the end? I just hope that Ivann will make a mistake once because up to this point he is impeccable. Maybe some nice blondie would make him less vigilant...?
Who said that Wolf Duchy will be on Ivan's side at the end? He may have forced them to join  If you're meaning represantative in Council, then its Murazel.
Ivan is impeccable? Half of his Duchy was conquered ^_^
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Wellplay
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posted October 21, 2014 08:58 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 21:00, 21 Oct 2014.
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Sandro400 said:
Pawek_13 said:
It can be seen that Wolf Duchy is a faction in itself. The question is - why would a representative of this Duchy (or maybe even a whole one) would be on site of Ivan at the end? I just hope that Ivann will make a mistake once because up to this point he is impeccable. Maybe some nice blondie would make him less vigilant...?
Who said that Wolf Duchy will be on Ivan's side at the end? He may have forced them to join If you're meaning represantative in Council, then its Murazel.
Ivan is impeccable? Half of his Duchy was conquered ^_^
Even after all this he still beats everyone into submission.
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Sandro400
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posted October 21, 2014 09:11 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Even after all this he still beats everyone into submission.
Yeah, he's a cool bad@ss uniter of the Empire  And we'll discover how did he done that.
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Wellplay
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posted October 21, 2014 09:43 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Wellplay said:
Even after all this he still beats everyone into submission.
Yeah, he's a cool bad@ss uniter of the Empire And we'll discover how did he done that.
Yeah can't wait to see how he done that.
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Stevie
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posted October 21, 2014 09:45 PM |
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Does it really matter how he did it as long as we know he did it? What is knowing how things will end up if not a massive spoiler?
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 21, 2014 09:50 PM |
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This article brought up a question in my head. Why is Ivan considered the only best candidate. If Cate was the connection point to the old stag bloodline, than all her children had this connection, and Anton was not the only one of them who had children. Irina had children as well, and if her bloodline did not died out at some point then the wolf duke has the same amount of "stag blood" in him as Ivan does. And don't tell me they could not find a connection to the main falcon line which died out.
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War-overlord
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posted October 21, 2014 09:55 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
This article brought up a question in my head. Why is Ivan considered the only best candidate. If Cate was the connection point to the old stag bloodline, than all her children had this connection, and Anton was not the only one of them who had children. Irina had children as well, and if her bloodline did not died out at some point then the wolf duke has the same amount of "stag blood" in him as Ivan does. And don't tell me they could not find a connection to the main falcon line which died out.
In such things the bloodline of the father takes precendence over that of the mother.
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 21, 2014 10:00 PM |
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War-overlord said:
In such things the bloodline of the father takes precendence over that of the mother.
Does this apply to this game world? You know we had a few Falcon empresses but their children were still falcon, not the father's bloodline. Weren't Gwendoline children from the Griffin line in that case? Also the entire claim of Ivan is based on his mother's bloodline.
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 21, 2014 10:08 PM |
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Am I the only one annoyed by these "Ashan months"? I mean if earthly seasons are good enough, why aren't the months? I have no idea which month is which... just look at the phrase "by the early Spider Queen", IMO it sounds irritating
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War-overlord
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posted October 21, 2014 10:08 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Does this apply to this game world? You know we had a few Falcon empresses but their children were still falcon, not the father's bloodline. Weren't Gwendoline children from the Griffin line in that case? Also the entire claim of Ivan is based on his mother's bloodline.
If the game goes by the same rules as this world, then yes.
The reason that the Children of the Falcon Empress are Falcons and not whatever her Consort is, is because of seniority. The line of an Emperor takes precedence over that of a Duke.
When there is no male heir, the bloodline is traced back to the last true male of the bloodline, however that does sometimes require to go through the maternal line.
As in this case, Cate was the last TRUE Stag. The last True Duke of Stage was Cate's brother, who died in the war, childless. Therefor, Cate would have been the last Duchess of Stag, if she was not also killed. The "current" line of Stag is a sidebranch of the True Stag line. But because we follow Ivan, who has the best claim, that does not mean that the claim made by Seamus isn't good, simply that Ivan's claim is beter.
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frostymuaddib
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posted October 21, 2014 10:08 PM |
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@Dave_Jame
You rise interesting questio, this is the lore thing that also bugs me.
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War-overlord
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posted October 21, 2014 10:12 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Am I the only one annoyed by these "Ashan months"? I mean if earthly seasons are good enough, why aren't the months? I have no idea which month is which... just look at the phrase "by the early Spider Queen", IMO it sounds irritating
Earthly months are based upon earthly mythology, Western European Mythology at that. It is no stretch to say that on another world they base the months on their own. And it is only through European Colonialism that this version of naming months is currently dominant.
However it does not feel natural, I agree with that. It would certainly help if they kept reminding us that the month of X is the Yth month of the year.
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 21, 2014 10:23 PM |
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War-overlord said:
If the game goes by the same rules as this world, then yes.
The reason that the Children of the Falcon Empress are Falcons and not whatever her Consort is, is because of seniority. The line of an Emperor takes precedence over that of a Duke.
When there is no male heir, the bloodline is traced back to the last true male of the bloodline, however that does sometimes require to go through the maternal line.
As in this case, Cate was the last TRUE Stag. The last True Duke of Stage was Cate's brother, who died in the war, childless. Therefor, Cate would have been the last Duchess of Stag, if she was not also killed. The "current" line of Stag is a sidebranch of the True Stag line. But because we follow Ivan, who has the best claim, that does not mean that the claim made by Seamus isn't good, simply that Ivan's claim is beter.
I'm not talking about Seamus vs Ivan. I'm talking about Ivan vs Stefan. Or better said Anton vs Irina.
@ LizardWarrior: no you are not they are annoying as hell.
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 21, 2014 10:23 PM |
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Earthly months are based upon earthly mythology, Western European Mythology at that. It is no stretch to say that on another world they base the months on their own. And it is only through European Colonialism that this version of naming months is currently dominant.
If they want to respect that rule then they should redo a lot of things, maybe not even use English at all. Let's take minotaur for example, it translates to Minos' Bull, Minos was Cretan King, and Crete doesn't exist in Ashan and so on with almost all ethymology. But it's a game, there's no need to redo a world from scratch, it's simply pointless, there's nothing wrong with using earthly terms, no one is gonna be upset for that, it's for simplicity sake. Also most of the Ashan months don't even give us a hint in what season they are, they should have at least give us a hint or a connection with the season it would have been less confusing
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War-overlord
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posted October 21, 2014 10:35 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
I'm not talking about Seamus vs Ivan. I'm talking about Ivan vs Stefan. Or better said Anton vs Irina.
In case of Anton vs. Irina, it's simple. Because Anton is a boy and Irina is a girl, Anton's line takes precendence.
As for Ivan vs. Stefan, that's simple as well. Because Ivan is descended from Anton, who has the line of precendence, his claim is better than Stefan's, who is a descendant from Irina's line.
LizardWarrior said:
Also most of the Ashan months don't even give us a hint in what season they are, they should have at least give us a hint or a connection with the season it would have been less confusing
War-overlord said:
However it does not feel natural, I agree with that. It would certainly help if they kept reminding us that the month of X is the Yth month of the year.
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Sorts
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posted October 21, 2014 10:56 PM |
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@ LizardWarrior
Some things are simpler to rename with a more fitting name than others. Please rename minotaur in a way that the name is still recognizable nad is not a bull name. Only good alternate name for minotaur is sadly taken and probably copyrighted by Blizzard
Fun fact: in some very early information about Warcraft 3 the Tauren were called Minotaur's but it seems they got the same idea that "The Bull of Minos" might not fit the lore. (also thet don't inhabit dungeons and labyrinths)
Any way, i also don't like seeing Roman months in fantasy literature/games (unless they are a "mythic"/alternate versions of our world or urban fantasy) and i'm glad to see alternate names. The problem with Ashan's months is that they are linked with it's lore not the weather or what is happening during that month (for example harvest month, snow month and so on). In a sense they have made Ashan's calendar to reflect the Roman calendar, by having months named after deific and important characters (like half or most of the roman months). Yet this approach doesn't well work with fictional months.
Some months are rather fitting (for several reasons) and cans see the month behind:
Emerald Song - April, Dancing flames - June, Spider Queen - November, White Moon - December (fits January better though, with december being Night veil)
Others are either a bit too random or unfitting.
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Sandro400
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posted October 21, 2014 10:58 PM |
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Stevie said:
Does it really matter how he did it as long as we know he did it? What is knowing how things will end up if not a massive spoiler?
On that I'm going to agree.
War-Overlord, you have a very good point. 2 things I can add:
1) considering how Stefan turned out against Ivan, maybe he isn't a descandant of Irina. Ofc centuries passed and there might have been some enmities, but Griffin remembers Unicorn's help, so Wolf should remember too.
2) Ivan is more "fresh" in terms of blood. Wolf dukes might have Falcon blood, but it comes from early days of the Empire and is already "thinned", while Ivan is more "direct".
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 21, 2014 10:59 PM |
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Nice part 5 update 
Since H7 begins in 843 YSD, will the campaigns be based on these stories (843 - 853 YSD)?
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