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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:13 PM |
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Elvin said:
Let's stay ontopic please, semantics aren't getting us anywhere. Neither is making things personal.
Sorry WO and sorry all those who had to read my off-topic! I'll try restraining myself for the future from silly conversations like that.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Kurush
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:13 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Kurush said:
The Fact that the Champions are going to cost different amount of gold worries me. It might indicate that the champions are going to be separated in an expensive awesome champion, and a cheap trashy champion, so we'd be forced to pick the same every friggin' game.
Champions always costed diffrent amount of gold and resources.
But you didn't have to choose between champions.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 26, 2015 10:14 PM |
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Kurush said:
Wellplay said:
Kurush said:
The Fact that the Champions are going to cost different amount of gold worries me. It might indicate that the champions are going to be separated in an expensive awesome champion, and a cheap trashy champion, so we'd be forced to pick the same every friggin' game.
Champions always costed diffrent amount of gold and resources.
But you didn't have to choose between champions.
pretty sure someone already brought up h4 as an example for this issue 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted January 26, 2015 10:16 PM |
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Stevie said:
Sorry WO and sorry all those who had to read my off-topic! I'll try restraining myself for the future from silly conversations like that.
I shal try to do the same.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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Kurush
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:19 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Kurush said:
Wellplay said:
Kurush said:
The Fact that the Champions are going to cost different amount of gold worries me. It might indicate that the champions are going to be separated in an expensive awesome champion, and a cheap trashy champion, so we'd be forced to pick the same every friggin' game.
Champions always costed diffrent amount of gold and resources.
But you didn't have to choose between champions.
pretty sure someone already brought up h4 as an example for this issue
But what if the Treant will be the weak Sylvan Champion?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 26, 2015 10:22 PM |
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Kurush said:
pretty sure someone already brought up h4 as an example for this issue
But what if the Treant will be the weak Sylvan Champion?
i don't think any champion will be "weaker" or "stronger" just different strengths and weaknesses.
that said, it's a tree going up against a dragon. not much of a contest even without fire breath.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted January 26, 2015 10:23 PM |
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supertommy said:
They could just call it a pirate.
Actually this unit's full name is Sea Elf Pirate.
Little trivia: Sea Elves were kind of an obsession for Richard Dansky, who co-created Ashan with Erwan Le Breton. He really wanted to have them back in H5, but that never happened. There's a map, I think it was in Tribes of the East, where Gotai or Kujin must fight Dark Elf Pirates. These were originally supposed to be Sea Elves.
I really liked the Sea Elves and tried to have them in H6, but that didn't happen either. I even wrote a design doc for a neutral "mini-faction" with a pirate theme (it was called the Cove faction). Some of these ideas appeared in the Pirates of the Savage Sea DLC as lore and background, although not the units themselves, sadly. At least I managed to have Ciele as a Sanctuary Sea Elf hero.
So I'm happy to finally have a Sea Elf Pirate unit in H7 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted January 26, 2015 10:24 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 22:25, 26 Jan 2015.
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Kurush said:
kiryu133 said:
Kurush said:
Wellplay said:
Kurush said:
The Fact that the Champions are going to cost different amount of gold worries me. It might indicate that the champions are going to be separated in an expensive awesome champion, and a cheap trashy champion, so we'd be forced to pick the same every friggin' game.
Champions always costed diffrent amount of gold and resources.
But you didn't have to choose between champions.
pretty sure someone already brought up h4 as an example for this issue
But what if the Treant will be the weak Sylvan Champion?
Than we gona know that fury voters made mistake(cause its truth  ) and we gona make fun of them. 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 26, 2015 10:25 PM |
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Nice piece of trivia, Marzhin
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted January 26, 2015 10:28 PM |
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Marzhin said:
There's a map, I think it was in Tribes of the East, where Gotai or Kujin must fight Dark Elf Pirates. These were originally supposed to be Sea Elves.
It was second map of Stronghold campaign in ToE (I have been currently replaying whole Heroes V saga). Besides that, who doesn't like pirates? I hope that we see some of them in Heroes VII campaigns.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted January 26, 2015 10:29 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Little trivia: Sea Elves were kind of an obsession for Richard Dansky, who co-created Ashan with Erwan Le Breton. He really wanted to have them back in H5, but that never happened. There's a map, I think it was in Tribes of the East, where Gotai or Kujin must fight Dark Elf Pirates. These were originally supposed to be Sea Elves.
So I'm happy to finally have a Sea Elf Pirate unit in H7
Thanks for the trivia! Richard at least kept sextant of the Sea Elves
Long before H7 they were already in DoC
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted January 26, 2015 10:36 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Long before H7 they were already in DoC
Indeed! Duel of Champions has been a great place to showcase some Ashan denizens (although they did some weird stuff too...)
The Sea Elf Pirate of H7 was actually designed to be visually consistent with the Sea Elf Archer of DoC.
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Sir_Godspeed
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 26, 2015 10:37 PM |
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Hey, a long-time lurker, first time poster here. I've been watching this thread (in particular) since probably page 300 or thereabouts, which was when I discovered H7 was in the making. Kinda suprised me, since I'd stopped following the Heroes seriesafter H5 put me off it, I'm afraid. Never played H6, which as far as I can tell might've been a good decision.
Anyways, I think things so far look pretty good. Haven is cool- it's interesting seeing what is effectively the Paladin back, although I personally am not super-fond of the incredibly ornate low level creatures. I'm aware that there is supposedly a different design philosophy with regards to how the different towns (which I tend to think of as "civilizations", broadly speaking), but looking at the pikeman and praetorian in this Haven makes me miss the "ordinary joe with military training" feel that the pikeman in H3 or even H4 had. But it is a minor niggle.
Academy looks pretty geat too. Really, the only unit I'm miffed about there is probably the upgraded golem being "sandstone", a signifier that doesn't really gel well with my brain. Maybe I'm boring to expect an iron golem or something like that, but hey - it IS a minor annoyance. The mage on a carpet is a nice nod to H1.
I can't comment too much on Dungeon and Sylvan, except to say that I'm a bit disappointed to see Unicorns dropped in favour of that Stag unit. It's not a terrible concept by any stretch though, I just feel that the unicorns are quintessential to that faction. Given the line-ups they offered though, I was bound to be disappointed no matter what. Dungeon I don't even know - the concept art there was just so ad hoc that I'll reserve any judgment until later. It was a huge surprise to see the troglodyte back though!
This Necropolis isn't actually too bad to me, although it is the "finished" (for lack of a better term) town I have the biggest problem with. I find the skeleton looking to busy and overdesigned and the upgraded version just creates too many damn question regarding whether the Necromancers are misappropriating valuable resources pimping up their cannon fodder. I honestly really like the unupgraged version though - if you ask me, IT should've been the upgrade. The ghost as spider are okay. Neither are exceptional, but hey, they're adequate.
The elites... I don't entirely hate the models are some other here, but I resent the laziness of the reskinning. I personally think the lamasu are pretty cool, and I don't oppose the "vampire knight", but I'd hoped they'd go with a more of a gaunt, haunting look, like the image with the black and red cape that was posted earlier. Visible fangs and gaunt cheeks wih glowing eyes and a stylish cape would've made the model a lot more bearable without needing to move into Nosferatu territory.
The lich I don't much care for. Their angry look and bizarre paraphernalia floating around them come off as uncentred and off-balance. If you look at the previous necromancers, they all seem confident and calm (the skeletal look helps). I think giving them a proper mage-skirt and some robes would be a hellova lot better than this S&M gear they're currently gallavanting about in. And more rot please. If they can't give us fully skeletal liches, some rot marks on the cheeks and jaw or a missing eye could work. The "mummified nobleman" concept suggested earlier works for me.
The champions are cool. The bone dragon is a classic, and while arguably a bit boring, just kinda works, and the new Grim Reaper is actually a successful amalgamation of two previous units in my opinion. The fluff can be written to accommodate it, I don't much care for arguments that say "it doesn't fit in" or "scythes are impractical". Rule of Cool on this one, in my honest opinion.
On an endnote; has anyone else noted that the grammar in the QA is pretty bad? English is my second-language, so I understand the mistake done, but still, it feels a bit grating.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 26, 2015 10:42 PM |
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With Sea Elves coming in H7, I somewhat hope that their marine ranks will be bolstered with one more unit from already seen in H6, the Sirien/Mermaid.
I know there was a lot of talk about reusing models, but I really liked this unit design-wised and skill-wised. It would be nice to see them back... atleast I would like that.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted January 26, 2015 10:43 PM |
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Sir_Godspeed said:
I honestly really like the unupgraged version though - if you ask me, IT should've been the upgrade.
you and EVERYBODY, mate. Is anyone disagreeing this? no?
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Sir_Godspeed
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 26, 2015 10:44 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Sir_Godspeed said:
I honestly really like the unupgraged version though - if you ask me, IT should've been the upgrade.
you and EVERYBODY, mate. Is anyone disagreeing this? no?
I'm sorry if what I stated came off as a platitude.
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Kurush
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:45 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Kurush said:
pretty sure someone already brought up h4 as an example for this issue
But what if the Treant will be the weak Sylvan Champion?
i don't think any champion will be "weaker" or "stronger" just different strengths and weaknesses.
that said, it's a tree going up against a dragon. not much of a contest even without fire breath.
It's a powerful spirit of nature (Just as the green dragon itself) that chose to take the form of a giant walking magic tree. So, yeah, it does have a chance.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:47 PM |
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We can have Sea Elves but not new Vampire and Lich models?
Priorities...
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 26, 2015 10:49 PM |
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Marzhin, could you please tell us what's going to happen with h7 necropolis? Have the devs changed their mind, what have they said?
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 10:50 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
