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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:19 PM |
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NamelessOrder said:
Anyway, i'd like to know if the last creature from the previous turn effects the 1st creature from the next turn. For example:
The last creature to move during the previous turn was a Defender's creature and then in the new turn we have 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative (one from Attacker and one from Defender) - so which one starts the new turn? From Defender (following the one player after another principle) or from Attacker (following the Attacker first principle).
I think it should be the Defender but i'm not sure if the previous turn is accounted.
I dont think the previous turns have an effect on the next one. The "following the one player after another principle" doesnt chain the phases (basic turns -> waiting creatures -> next basic turn and so on) together, it is resolved each time separately. The "Attacker first principle" restarts after each turn so it would be attacker first every time (except when waiting, because its reversed).
Limbic-Jaelle said:
Share the package, goddamnit! 
Whack em with that sledgehammer! 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 03:23 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 15:27, 18 Feb 2015.
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@ThatRedSarah
I get another package so no sledgehammer action! 
Edit:
Here
No more sledgehammer now? 
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:26 PM |
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Limbic-Jaelle said:
NamelessOrder said:
What Limbic-Jaelle is saying is pretty basic - it's always been like that.
@Limbic-Jaelle
Anyway, i'd like to know if the last creature from the previous turn effects the 1st creature from the next turn. For example:
The last creature to move during the previous turn was an EDIT Attacker's creature and then in the new turn we have 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative (one from Attacker and one from Defender) - so which one starts the new turn? From Defender (following the one player after another principle) or from Attacker (following the Attacker first principle).
I think it should be the Defender but i'm not sure if the previous turn is accounted.
from the logical, the attacker has to start. The sorting of defender and attacker only counts, if you sort creatures with the same initiative.
what?
i'm sorry i don't get the answer. We have 2 "rulings" when there are 2 creatures with the same initiative:
1. one player after another
2. attacker first
The first rule "overrules" the second one during a turn. But i'm asking what happens (which rule is more important) when the last creature from the previous turn was from EDIT Attacker's side and now we have a new turn and there are 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative, one from the Attacker and one from the Defender.
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Uplay: ZergRusher | H6: Thoughts on duels | DoC: Cassa
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 18, 2015 03:27 PM |
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verriker said:
somebody pass me an aspirin lol
Nah, get something with ibuprofen. It is a much better painkiller than aspirin.
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:28 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
NamelessOrder said:
Anyway, i'd like to know if the last creature from the previous turn effects the 1st creature from the next turn. For example:
The last creature to move during the previous turn was a Defender's creature and then in the new turn we have 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative (one from Attacker and one from Defender) - so which one starts the new turn? From Defender (following the one player after another principle) or from Attacker (following the Attacker first principle).
I think it should be the Defender but i'm not sure if the previous turn is accounted.
I dont think the previous turns have an effect on the next one. The "following the one player after another principle" doesnt chain the phases (basic turns -> waiting creatures -> next basic turn and so on) together, it is resolved each time separately. The "Attacker first principle" restarts after each turn so it would be attacker first every time (except when waiting, because its reversed).
yes this is exactly what i'm asking about but are you sure? or do you just presume because you started with: "i dont think"
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Uplay: ZergRusher | H6: Thoughts on duels | DoC: Cassa
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:47 PM |
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Each combat round checks the turn order separately. The highest initiative goes first. If tied -> attacker goes first. Doesn't matter who had the last creature turn previous round. Pretty sure this is how it goes, as I don't see any reason to complicate the system from this.
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"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:52 PM |
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But if it is tied and the attackers side just had a turn with a unit, then it becomes the defenders turn 
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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted February 18, 2015 03:54 PM |
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NamelessOrder said:
Limbic-Jaelle said:
NamelessOrder said:
What Limbic-Jaelle is saying is pretty basic - it's always been like that.
@Limbic-Jaelle
Anyway, i'd like to know if the last creature from the previous turn effects the 1st creature from the next turn. For example:
The last creature to move during the previous turn was a Defender's creature and then in the new turn we have 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative (one from Attacker and one from Defender) - so which one starts the new turn? From Defender (following the one player ofter another principle) or from Attacker (following the Attacker first principle).
I think it should be the Defender but i'm not sure if the previous turn is accounted.
from the logical, the attacker has to start. The sorting of defender and attacker only counts, if you sort creatures with the same initiative.
what?
i'm sorry i don't get the answer. We have 2 "rulings" when there are 2 creatures with the same initiative:
1. one player after another
2. attacker first
The first rule "overrules" the second one during a turn. But i'm asking what happens (which rule is more important) when the last creature from the previous turn was from Defender's side and now we have a new turn and there are 2 creatures with the same and highest initiative, one from the Attacker and one from the Defender.
Okay, it seems like I don`t get the question - did you misunderstood attacker and defender as you as a player and the opposite player/enemy?
If yes - that's not what I meant. I meant offensive and defensive creatures.
If you have two creatures with the same initiative - one is an offensive creature, the other one is a defensive creature - then the offensive creature will turn first. If you let both wait, then the defensive creature will strike first. If both of those got their actions, the turn is done and round two starts.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:57 PM |
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Maybe a video showing two armies fight would clear things up a lot better 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 03:57 PM |
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 18, 2015 04:01 PM |
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Stevie said:
I don't see the point in continuing on this issue. Jaelle already explained what the post tried to say. Best cross your fingers for a new article today.
Aye
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 04:04 PM |
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Limbic-Jaelle said:
Okay, it seems like I don`t get the question - did you misunderstood attacker and defender as you as a player and the opposite player/enemy?
If yes - that's not what I meant. I meant offensive and defensive creatures.
If you have two creatures with the same initiative - one is an offensive creature, the other one is a defensive creature - then the offensive creature will turn first. If you let both wait, then the defensive creature will strike first. If both of those got their actions, the turn is done and round two starts.
yes i understood it as a player.
Offensive and defensive creatures?? This is sth new i think because i don't remember it from H3/6 and i played the games quite a lot.
Does sb have a link with explanation about offensive and defensive creatures???
@Limbic-Jaelle
Are you sure about it? Because in h6 the sequence was as follows:
- higher initiative first
- one player after another
- during the 1st turn: 1st creature to start, if 2 units with the highest ini, have the same ini, then attacker (=host) always moves first,
- creature that was positioned first from the top of the map during tactics mode (applies to creature within the same army)
and the system was supposed to be the same as in H6.
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Uplay: ZergRusher | H6: Thoughts on duels | DoC: Cassa
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 18, 2015 04:06 PM |
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I guess that an offensive unit is one that has greater attack than its defense stat.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted February 18, 2015 04:09 PM |
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I thought that "offensive" means attacker 
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 04:16 PM |
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Stevie said:
Jaelle already explained what the post tried to say.
yes, but im trying to get the answer to my question
Offensive and defensive creatures WTF? Either there's sth totally new in the H7 that we don't know about or ... sb is walking in the dark.
Pawek_13 said:
I guess that an offensive unit is one that has greater attack than its defense stat.
you just made it up didn't you? 
LizardWarrior said:
I thought that "offensive" means attacker
i'm 90% sure it did, he just messed it up
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Uplay: ZergRusher | H6: Thoughts on duels | DoC: Cassa
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 04:25 PM |
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Ok it is a new mechanic then. Better than completely random, but not much tbh
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"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 18, 2015 04:33 PM |
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NamelessOrder said:
Pawek_13 said:
I guess that an offensive unit is one that has greater attack than its defense stat.
you just made it up didn't you?
I did but this is the simplest and the most obvious explaination, isn't it?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 18, 2015 04:35 PM |
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This should be something somewhat simple, yet bad wording is confusing the Hell of all of us...
How about making a in-depth article of how initiative works in Heroes VII? This way you deal with any misunderstanding that the previous article left, not just limited to HC users but the whole fanbase...and we get an extra article!
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted February 18, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
This should be something somewhat simple, yet bad wording is confusing the Hell of all of us...
How about making a in-depth article of how initiative works in Heroes VII? This way you deal with any misunderstanding that the previous article left, not just limited to HC users but the whole fanbase...and we get an extra article!
Hear, Hear.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 18, 2015 05:14 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
