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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 25, 2015 08:16 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
Also(2) is it confirmed that we can chose from a variety of starting heroes with different skills (like in H3 and H5 for example) or is it like in H6 where you only had like two choices with a skill that you could not chance? And i mean this in the hotseat game mode. I never play campaigns or anything... just hotseat straight out of the box  Or is this something that should be asked during the Paris event?
six hero-types per factions: offensive, defensive and balanced might and magic. exactly how they will differentiate is unkown 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 08:17 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Really, Galaad? 
If Amazons can be considered mythological, couldn't the Troglodytae as well?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 08:18 PM |
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Nah that really was a typo 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 08:19 PM |
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No, I mean it 
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 25, 2015 08:19 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Sandro400 said:
Really, Galaad?
If Amazons can be considered mythological, couldn't the Troglodytae as well?
In which mythology do you have Troglodytes, like the ones that were present in Heroes III?
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted February 25, 2015 08:20 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
ThatRedSarah said:
Also(2) is it confirmed that we can chose from a variety of starting heroes with different skills (like in H3 and H5 for example) or is it like in H6 where you only had like two choices with a skill that you could not chance? And i mean this in the hotseat game mode. I never play campaigns or anything... just hotseat straight out of the box Or is this something that should be asked during the Paris event?
six hero-types per factions: offensive, defensive and balanced might and magic. exactly how they will differentiate is unkown
They also share only 1 skill which is racial one. Rest is diffrent from each class.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 25, 2015 08:20 PM |
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Galaad said:
Nah that really was a typo
what the hell did you try and spell to get troglodyte out?
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 25, 2015 08:21 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
You speak of "tradition", "coherence", "the true heroes feeling". How can you speak about these things when in so many cases these things were never a thing.
The very existence of H1, H2, H3 and H5 prove you wrong (heck even H4 and H6 to a certain extent).
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"The age can be wicked to those who walk alone. When I look into the Mirror, I see myself as I might become..." -Freya
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 25, 2015 08:23 PM |
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Galaad said:
Dave_Jame,
Ashan prevented the coherency to exist with previous worlds. It could still be corrected though. With Ubi's very own specialty: retcon.
In contrary my dear Galaad the examples I have used are only based on depictions of NWC created heroes games. For example which Lich is the one with the true feeling. the ghastly H2 one, or the Skeletal one? Which orc? The Orange one in H2, the Green one in H3, or the brown one in H4. Which gargoyle, phoenix, cyclops. Stylistic consistency and coherence was never a thing in NWC. And that is my point. Stevie is fighting an imaginary war. He is fighting windmills for a princes that has never been more then a good looking milk-maid.
Old worlds were so divorced in depiction of most creatures that UBi had no true duty to hold to any of them.
Sleeping_Sun said:
The very existence of H1, H2, H3 and H5 prove you wrong (heck even H4 and H6 to a certain extent).
When we speak about vizual coherenc between individual games Im preaty sure I'm right. Since Hey. Nothing like giving a hydra or medusa an extra pair of legs.
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 08:24 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
six hero-types per factions: offensive, defensive and balanced might and magic. exactly how they will differentiate is unkown
Yeah i do know that, but i am a bit worried about the way this works in hotseat games... in campaign or maybe in some dynasty mode (i never tried it so i dont even know what it is) you can probably just create a hero from scratch. But if i recall correctly in H6 (hotseat) you could only choose either might or magic hero and they both had a pre-selected special ability (that would not have been my choice) which was really blah  I would like to have all the heroes and their abilities available to me in the hotseat with out any tricks...
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 25, 2015 08:25 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Galaad said:
Dave_Jame,
Ashan prevented the coherency to exist with previous worlds. It could still be corrected though. With Ubi's very own specialty: retcon.
In contrary my dear Galaad the examples I have used are only based on depictions of NWC created heroes games. For example which Lich is the one with the true feeling. the ghastly H2 one, or the Skeletal one? Which orc? The Orange one in H2, the Green one in H3, or the brown one in H4. Which gargoyle, phoenix, cyclops. Stylistic consistency and coherence was never a thing in NWC. And that is my point. Stevie is fighting an imaginary war. He is fighting windmills for a princes that has never been more then a good looking milk-maid.
Old worlds were so divorced in depiction of most creatures that UBi had no true duty to hold to any of them.
that's what was so great about them though: they didn't allow lore to keep their creativity down
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 08:26 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
In which mythology do you have Troglodytes, like the ones that were present in Heroes III?
Whoa now, why we singling out H3 here? Don't forget the little gem that was H4 now.
Cave-dwellers show up in all of mythology, no need to bring looks into it really.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 25, 2015 08:28 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 20:29, 25 Feb 2015.
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Dave_Jame,
If you think there is no coherency problem at all between previous and actual universes I don't really know what to tell you.
@Avirosb: Without further notice the reference is D&D. But I appreciate what you are doing here.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 08:28 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
For example which Lich is the one with the true feeling. the ghastly H2 one, or the Skeletal one? Which orc? The Orange one in H2, the Green one in H3, or the brown one in H4. Which gargoyle, phoenix, cyclops. Stylistic consistency and coherence was never a thing in NWC.
The stylistic consistency of not outright sucking should count for something, methinks.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 25, 2015 08:30 PM |
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Dave Jame,
when you think to yourself and imagine a Lich, a Phoenix, an Angel, or a Cerberus, do those things we see in Heroes 6 come to mind for you?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 25, 2015 08:33 PM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
kiryu133 said:
six hero-types per factions: offensive, defensive and balanced might and magic. exactly how they will differentiate is unkown
Yeah i do know that, but i am a bit worried about the way this works in hotseat games... in campaign or maybe in some dynasty mode (i never tried it so i dont even know what it is) you can probably just create a hero from scratch. But if i recall correctly in H6 (hotseat) you could only choose either might or magic hero and they both had a pre-selected special ability (that would not have been my choice) which was really blah I would like to have all the heroes and their abilities available to me in the hotseat with out any tricks...
well i imagine it will work like it always have: choose faction then a hero belonging to that faction with six types available
all factions have their own special abilities that are supposed to difine them with necro having necromancy and academy having a snow-ton of magic options. this is simply part of the faction. now i did create a thread about how racials as they are called should be used (here(self-promotion, wee!)) which you might find interesting. that said: we don't really know. every faction will have a specific skill that everyone has but we know not much else about it.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 25, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Avirosb said:
If Amazons can be considered mythological, couldn't the Troglodytae as well?
Wrong question. Amazons are mythological people, but because myths often contain hidden truth, there were some researches trying to find the traces of "real" Amazons. Maybe they really existed, who knows. Just as well as some scholars theorize that Dragon myths originated from the dinosaur skeletons/bones which were discovered by ancient people.
Troglodytes, or "cave people", on the other hand, really existed and even exist today. Plus this word was used by... Linnaeus, iirc, to describe "pre-Human". D&D (surprise-surprise) just took an existing word that fits "underground people" and used it to name their creatures.
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Let's play poker game, lich-style!
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 25, 2015 08:34 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 20:38, 25 Feb 2015.
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Galaad said:
@Avirsob: Without further notice the reference is D&D. But I appreciate what you are doing here.
Have you seen a DnD Troglodyte? They're str8up Lizardmen m8.
Not exactly the green slack-jawed sacks o' taters we've all come to know and love.
Digging the whole Lovecraftian vibe of those guys.
@Sandro4000, I guess I pretty much agree with that then.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 25, 2015 08:35 PM |
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Galaad said:
Dave_Jame,
If you think there is no coherency problem at all between previous and actual universe I don't really know what to tell you.
The problem is, and you two must understand this. that there doesn't have to be any currency in visual, art direction or story. Since as you your self. Each world created and will create it's own distinct feeling. Enroth had one, Axeoth had one. Andor, Terra, Cron, Varn.. all had their own use of visuals. Sure there will always be some similarities, some tributes or references but it is not something you can draw a direct connection between.
I'm not here to take your opinions, or to enforce my taste upon you. only wanted to highlight the pointlessness of such a struggle. For fun. How many time today did I Even spoke about Ashan? Have you noticed, let alone deffend it?
verriker said:
Dave Jame,
when you think to yourself and imagine a Lich, a Phoenix, an Angel, or a Cerberus, do those things we see in Heroes 6 come to mind for you?
No. But niether do those in H3, H4, H5 or H1 do. You know the reaso I love art is that it expands my imagination, and shows things I myself would never think about.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted February 25, 2015 08:35 PM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 20:36, 25 Feb 2015.
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Avirosb said:
Pawek_13 said:
In which mythology do you have Troglodytes, like the ones that were present in Heroes III?
Whoa now, why we singling out H3 here? Don't forget the little gem that was H4 now.
Cave-dwellers show up in all of mythology, no need to bring looks into it really.
But the name of Troglodyte is associated with primitive cavemen, not eye-lacking humanoids. Don't you feel that this is, well... inconsistent with their original look?
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