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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted July 20, 2015 10:11 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 10:12, 20 Jul 2015.
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Kimarous said:
Heck, why not play Kha-Beleth himself? We've played major authority figures a thousand times over and we've even played some big bads - just look at Sandro*. So why not put us in Kha-Beleth's shoes, rather than a THIRD person who secretly defies the Demon Sovereign?
We still don't know how exactly Kha-Beleth get rid off 6 Demon Overlords and became Demon Sovereign. 
But IIRC during Dungeon vs Inferno vote we were told that we won't see demon vs demon plot, if Inferno would win. Maybe.
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Kimarous
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posted July 20, 2015 10:43 AM |
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Elvin said:
...Which totally is.
Yeah I hate it when they try to make everything grey/misunderstood/sympathetic or whatever. We have had too much of that already. Anyone remember H3 Xeron? Now that was an awesome hero. An actual hero for inferno's cause.
If there's to be any sympathy angle milked, it should be the hero having a reason to willingly side with the demons, rather than being forced into it. Sick of the Holy Empire's hypocrisy? A would-be necromancer sickened by the practices of Asha's cult? A Toghrul-esque figure calling upon Sheogh out of desperation or anguish?
Or maybe forego sympathy and make it more base. Wanting to be immortal. Fascinated by chaos magic. Finding demons cool. Dem hot succubae.
All of the above trump yet another "want the hell out" story.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 10:46 AM |
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Edited by jhb at 11:16, 20 Jul 2015.
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I missed this video too. So, treant got a default ranged attack?  Not sure if I like this change, I thought treants' role would be to stop enemies with entangle and defend the team.
Are those fast flyers and walkers getting closer of your shooters? Entangle.
Enemy army is mostly composed of shooters or we are about to start a siege? Then, let's build a protective barrier, Living Shelter.
Still, I prefer to wait and see how they will play before judging. 
Initially, after reading their abilities, I thought ancient treants would get a kind of ranged entangling.
Entangling Roots: The Ancient Treants have such great roots that they can burrow and surge anywhere on the battlefield, grabbing and entangling any target with tremendous grip.
But this seems to be where their ranged attack comes from. Also, take a look at Ancient Treant description:
The life of a Treant can span hundreds, even thousands, of years. The oldest Treants are slow but resilient, protected by a thick skin of bark hardened by the centuries. They can also animate vegetation around them, turning them into weapons against the enemies of the forest.
I don't know if you have noticed in the video, but it looks like ancient treants are meant to be VERY slow (2 points). So I'm guessing the Ancient version will be slower and will get ranged capabilities.
@Raenus, Galaad
lol, guys, I think you are being a bit paranoid. 
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WhiteRider said:
But I noticed something else, while the Bladedancer was moving, for a moment the pointer was between the Blue Bird and the Dryads and both were highlighted - it seems the Blade dancer hits friends and enemies as well. Sylvan seems to be quite suicidal. Maybe that is why they gave the Emerald Dragon a mass healing ability (look what happens to all other sylvan units when the dragon hits something).
Yes, but only the Arcane Eagle was marked in red, so I think it will only hit enemies.
About the buffs you saw when the dragons attack. It was the end of the first turn, I think it have something to do with leadership perks (Rousing Speech perk gives +x morale and initiative for the first 3 turns), everyone got a morale buff refreshed, but only the dragon is healed.
Something similar happened when hunters attacked, everyone got +10 morale, arcane eagle got -10. But in this case, I guess the reason is because one stack got destroyed.
Edit: anyone knows if they talked about beta?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 11:37 AM |
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@jhb, what can I say, "Asha uses all". 
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 11:42 AM |
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Galaad said:
@jhb, what can I say, "Asha uses all".
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted July 20, 2015 12:52 PM |
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There are 5-7 people still commenting on SC. 500-700 comments per article. LMAO. That will be hilarious when they'll report next time about millions of visitors and thousands of active users there which causes "servers" overloads. xDDD
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 01:49 PM |
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Indeed HC is more active, more invested, and benefits some members who studied and analyzed the games, played competitively, knows (and corrected!) AI flaws, etc.
I don't know how many views SC have had ever since was launched but here the h7 spamming discussion thread currently has 1,082,694 views.
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 02:55 PM |
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hc is a ghost town too. This place (rightfully) should have very little impact on the development of the game, since the veteran players are generally extremely pedantic and lack any sort of game design knowledge/perspective and their user base is just a drop in the bucket
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 03:05 PM |
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PROST said:
hc is a ghost town too. This place (rightfully) should have very little impact on the development of the game, since the veteran players are generally extremely pedantic and lack any sort of game design knowledge/perspective and their user base is just a drop in the bucket
Literally nobody.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted July 20, 2015 03:11 PM |
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PROJ said:
hc is a ghost town too. This place (rightfully) should have very little impact on the development of the game, since the veteran players are generally extremely pedantic and lack any sort of game design knowledge/perspective and their user base is just a drop in the bucket
Praised be Asha, because we have professional game designers, like you, with enough knowledge to steer the entire HC int the right direction
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 03:16 PM |
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Proj, you barge into Heroes fan forum, take a dump on h3, then insult veteran players.
Thing is you consider Heroes to suck in the first place, so there is no use arguing with you, especially since your opinion is solely based on some random stream you found on the net, how can you understand anything if you don't play yourself first.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 03:19 PM |
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PROJ said:
hc is a ghost town too. This place (rightfully) should have very little impact on the development of the game, since the veteran players are generally extremely pedantic and lack any sort of game design knowledge/perspective and their user base is just a drop in the bucket
The troll is right about one thing: veteran players EXIST. What they do is beyond comprehension of this Enrothphobe.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted July 20, 2015 03:26 PM |
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PROJ said:
hc is a ghost town too. This place (rightfully) should have very little impact on the development of the game, since the veteran players are generally extremely pedantic and lack any sort of game design knowledge/perspective and their user base is just a drop in the bucket
everyone else is quoting my old pal PROJ for some reason so like a lemming I thought I should too lol
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 03:44 PM |
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Galaad said:
Proj, you barge into Heroes fan forum, take a dump on h3, then insult veteran players.
Woah there, let's phrase that correctly: LiterallyNobody barged into HC, took a dump on himself in his attempt to discredit Heroes 3, then insulted himself by trying to pick on veteran players.
The thing is, this specimen is the prime example of the colossal amount of ignorance and superficiality lying with the new generation. Let it be known that this guy has not played one second of Heroes 3 in his entire life as per his own admission, but has the audacity of voicing his crap "opinion" over it while dismissing that of the other more seasoned players based on second hand, 3rd party streaming experience.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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PROJ
Known Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 03:54 PM |
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i've played homm 3 for many hundreds of hours actually, and i've watched quite a bit of top level tournament play (not just "random streams"). I've also been playing games competitively since 2001. The community here is really insular and out of touch with a lot of things going on in the world of design. Outside of this little bubble, homm 3 is little more than a nostalgic throwback to gamers' childhoods. As a modern game, it would fail to have any sort of longevity, because its mechanics are outdated. I actually enjoy homm V a lot (and I think it's by far the best in the series and shows how much potential it has), and even homm vi had some good ideas (although very flawed execution, and unfortunately a lot of technical problems).
A vast majority of the people here are extremely casual gamers and don't have the perspective to understand what's really going on in these games. For example, that homm 3 plays more like a roguelike than a strategy game, and that most of homm 3 is basically an obfuscated spreadsheet (optimizing hero creeping against the AI) rather than truly a "strategy" game. The pushback against criticism of homm 3 (or the fact that a thread on town screen graphics is 47 pages long, lol) is pretty damning evidence of that.
It's not a troll to have some standards
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted July 20, 2015 04:03 PM |
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PROJ said:
It's not a troll to have some standards
Now standards is insulting everybody on this forum rofl...
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:04 PM |
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Stevie said:
Let it be known that this guy has not played one second of Heroes 3 in his entire life as per his own admission, but has the audacity of voicing his crap "opinion" over it while dismissing that of the other more seasoned players based on second hand, 3rd party streaming experience.
Well some members here have never played heroes 6 yet they had the audacity to condemn it. Even if they happened to be right in the end.
And yes, so now it is known that this person has never played heroes 3. Big whoop. Why don't you people bring out your pitchforks and torches too?
Ugh.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 20, 2015 04:05 PM |
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PROJ said:
I actually enjoy homm V a lot (and I think it's by far the best in the series and shows how much potential it has)
Funny is in term of playstyle the closest to h3. Otherwise, yes, I think many here would have loved to see that potential go further, instead of changing everything because of "today's games standards".
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted July 20, 2015 04:10 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 16:16, 20 Jul 2015.
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Kimarous said:
Elvin said:
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Yup I would like a more demon like story please. I recall during the dungeon vs inferno I think the story was going to be about inferno corrupts people and such. I think the spy master's words were teaching Ivan about the "lure of chaos worship".
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted July 20, 2015 04:11 PM |
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PROJ said:
i've played homm 3 for many hundreds of hours actually, and i've watched quite a bit of top level tournament play (not just "random streams"). I've also been playing games competitively since 2001. The community here is really insular and out of touch with a lot of things going on in the world of design. Outside of this little bubble, homm 3 is little more than a nostalgic throwback to gamers' childhoods. As a modern game, it would fail to have any sort of longevity, because its mechanics are outdated. I actually enjoy homm V a lot (and I think it's by far the best in the series and shows how much potential it has), and even homm vi had some good ideas (although very flawed execution, and unfortunately a lot of technical problems).
A vast majority of the people here are extremely casual gamers and don't have the perspective to understand what's really going on in these games. For example, that homm 3 plays more like a roguelike than a strategy game, and that most of homm 3 is basically an obfuscated spreadsheet (optimizing hero creeping against the AI) rather than truly a "strategy" game. The pushback against criticism of homm 3 (or the fact that a thread on town screen graphics is 47 pages long, lol) is pretty damning evidence of that.
It's not a troll to have some standards
And you expect us to believe this words because...? I mean one thing is to have an opinion and that I respect (even if there are quite many bad ones appearing). But you cannot deny the fact Heroes III is a good game and that's it. You speak of things being outdated. By your logic, the most brilliant games of the last decade are bad because they don't fit the graphics criteria. But that even does not matter, for you got mods like Horn of the Abyss and ERA II to update the game a bit, liven it up.
About this strategy part, I am certain that is because of its re-playability (something which H6 lacks). But even that does not matter, until you play the actual campaigns.
So no, I don't believe your words. And some claim that you base your opinion about one random gameplay video.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
