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Sandro400
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posted January 24, 2015 11:33 PM |
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verriker said:
and if writers and IP are talentless hacks, it's a mess either way lol
That's for sure, H5's storyline comes to mind.
Btw, IP-team failed with DoC several times...
War-overlord said:
Except you left two things out of this.
1. Marzhin is allowed to tinker with the IP.
2. As Franchise Manager and Producer, Erwan is totally Marzhin's boss.
1. Yes, as other writers. This doesn't mean that IP act like a boss.
2. Wasn't he relieved from that duty? AFAIK he is. He was producer, now he's head of IP and maybe creative director (if that's not the same thing).
I'm not too much into their internal structure, but I am certain he's not a producer anymore.
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Avonu
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posted January 24, 2015 11:36 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Btw, IP-team failed with DoC several times...
Yes, for start by scrapping original campaign (with characters and dialogues) and by giving us short pages of texts with no characters at all.
Also, that's nothing compared to HoMM6 vanillia campaign.
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Sandro400
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posted January 24, 2015 11:41 PM |
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Avonu said:
Yes, for start by scrapping original campaign (with characters and dialogues) and by giving us short pages of texts with no characters at all.
Also, that's nothing compared to HoMM6 vanillia campaign.
Little off-top: that's nothing compared to creature categories. It's a whole mess. And some Harpies deal air damage...
But what with vanilla campaign? I love it.
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Stevie
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posted January 24, 2015 11:43 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
I'm not too much into their internal structure, but I am certain he's not a producer anymore.
Dude. The producer is Limbic. The publisher is Ubisoft. And Erwan is the Creative Director of Might & Magic at Ubisoft. What's that unclear to you?
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Pawek_13
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posted January 24, 2015 11:44 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
But what with vanilla campaign? I love it.
Kiril's campaign is a half of what in reality was planned to be released in game, for example. Another one: true ending of the MM:H6 wasn't put into the game. These are two I know, at least.
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posted January 24, 2015 11:45 PM |
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i could give ashan universe a chance this time, but latest news just pointing out its not going in right direction... again.
this lich concept, this whole religious cults-factions thing... its just bad, devs had chance to take a different path this time but they simply blowed it up.
this universe needs to be destroyed for the sake of homm.
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Avonu
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posted January 24, 2015 11:46 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
And some Harpies deal air damage...
As in MMX, what's exactly wrong with that?
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posted January 24, 2015 11:49 PM |
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Stevie said:
Dude. The producer is Limbic. The publisher is Ubisoft. And Erwan is the Creative Director of Might & Magic at Ubisoft. What's that unclear to you?
Are you sure you're quoting the right person? I never said that Erwan is a producer.
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frostymuaddib
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posted January 24, 2015 11:49 PM |
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Concerning Ashan, I think it had potential after H5. They messed up campaigns there, but they didn't invent much of the 'binding' elements of the lore (vampires look llike this, liches like that etc). IMO, they messed up heavy with H6, where they tried to build the word and lore. One of the things that I liked in pre ubi Heroes, is that look of the creatures wasn't that connected to the lore of the world. You had necropolis in Antagarich, but it could be easily used for another fantasy world. Same with demons, they were aliens, but they could be regarded as simple dimons (as they were in Heroes Chronicles).
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posted January 24, 2015 11:53 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Kiril's campaign is a half of what in reality was planned to be released in game, for example. Another one: true ending of the MM:H6 wasn't put into the game. These are two I know, at least.
About Kiril's campagin I haven't known (what was cut?), agree about the ending, but that was made specifically and there's no "canonical" ending.
Avonu said:
As in MMX, what's exactly wrong with that?
There was Harpy boss that dealed Air damage iirc, but tell me, what's so "aerial" in claws? Harpies attack with claws, not Air.
And yeah, when you have all magic divided into 7 categories, you give magic creatures elemental damage but some creatures (Succubus) don't receive their obvious type of magic... that's pure error.
And I agree about original campaign, datamined for it and it was pretty good. Not polished, but I loved the effect of the Throne.
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Stevie
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posted January 24, 2015 11:55 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Stevie said:
Dude. The producer is Limbic. The publisher is Ubisoft. And Erwan is the Creative Director of Might & Magic at Ubisoft. What's that unclear to you?
Are you sure you're quoting the right person? I never said that Erwan is a producer.
And I have not corrected you for saying that Erwan is the producer. I just laid it down for you to understand it more easy.
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Pawek_13
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posted January 24, 2015 11:58 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Pawek_13 said:
Kiril's campaign is a half of what in reality was planned to be released in game, for example. Another one: true ending of the MM:H6 wasn't put into the game. These are two I know, at least.
About Kiril's campagin I haven't known (what was cut?), agree about the ending, but that was made specifically and there's no "canonical" ending.
That's not what I meant. At the end of each ending a message was shown. The one which was intended to be presented was cut and instead another version was put. For example - at the end of the Blood ending in the previous version Michael dies from hands of Raelag. In the ending from vanilla game no such informaton was presented.
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verriker
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posted January 24, 2015 11:59 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Btw, IP-team failed with DoC several times...
lol, I bet they'll try to conveniently pretend huge chunks of that game don't exist too, then
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Avonu
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posted January 25, 2015 12:01 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
There was Harpy boss that dealed Air damage iirc, but tell me, what's so "aerial" in claws? Harpies attack with claws, not Air.
With wings too... which create winds for example.
Sandro400 said:
And yeah, when you have all magic divided into 7 categories, you give magic creatures elemental damage but some creatures (Succubus) don't receive their obvious type of magic... that's pure error.
I don't like putting 7 schools of agic everywhere in Ashan. It semi-work in MMX but for Heroes or DoC these are too many.
Sandro400 said:
And I agree about original campaign, datamined for it and it was pretty good. Not polished, but I loved the effect of the Throne.
Too bad now the Throne is from Shantiri Empire (and not created from Chaos crystals) and Herold become Gazal. Not to mention about cutting all info about Shanriya, no-Shanriya, Akane and Sayuri or Sandalphon, Helaxia or Kieran fate - now players don't know many fact bout game, its cards (Hall ofMemories for example) or heroes. We enede with some generic pseudo-campaign.
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Sandro400
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posted January 25, 2015 12:03 AM |
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Stevie said:
And I have not corrected you for saying that Erwan is the producer. I just laid it down for you to understand it more easy.
Well, thank you for reminding me, but that still doesn't make him Marzhin's boss for sure.
Pawek_13 said:
That's not what I meant. At the end of each ending a message was shown. The one which was intended to be presented was cut and instead another version was put. For example - at the end of the Blood ending in the previous version Michael dies from hands of Raelag. In the ending from vanilla game no such informaton was presented.
I sure like this version more. Where was it revealed? I wanna see the rest changes 
But th god that was changed during development, not through retcon.
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Pawek_13
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posted January 25, 2015 12:09 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
I sure like this version more. Where was it revealed? I wanna see the rest changes
But th god that was changed during development, not through retcon.
I got most of this information from Acid Cave but I don't remember the direct link to it.
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Sandro400
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posted January 25, 2015 12:16 AM |
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verriker said:
lol, I bet they'll try to conveniently pretend huge chunks of that game don't exist too, then
Actually, you're not far from truth. There was a mistake in some card naming, Erwan even acknoledged that in Q&A aaaaand... no one corrected it!
Avonu said:
With wings too... which create winds for example.
Do you think Harpies have so powerful wings?!
Avonu said:
I don't like putting 7 schools of agic everywhere in Ashan. It semi-work in MMX but for Heroes or DoC these are too many.
I'm not saying divide everything into 7 schools. But at least give Succubi their Fire and others - their respective obvious schools.
And "beastmen - lion"...
Avonu said:
Too bad now the Throne is from Shantiri Empire (and not created from Chaos crystals) and Herold become Gazal. Not to mention about cutting all info about Shanriya, no-Shanriya, Akane and Sayuri or Sandalphon, Helaxia or Kieran fate - now players don't know many fact bout game, its cards (Hall ofMemories for example) or heroes. We enede with some generic pseudo-campaign.
Well, I actually enjoined that little Sandro's cabal and background of the Throne. But cutting all other interesting stuff... btw, Akane got hew own bio. The original ending (the Throne "erasing" herald's defeat) was cool too. I think that DoC may be continued with this scenario (pseudo-campaign never says what happened after Vein took his men to the Tower).
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verriker
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posted January 25, 2015 12:23 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
Actually, you're not far from truth. There was a mistake in some card naming, Erwan even acknoledged that in Q&A aaaaand... no one corrected it!
the evidence mounts that not even his own team is particularly invested in the ridiculous guff he's come up with lol
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Sandro400
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posted January 25, 2015 12:30 AM |
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verriker said:
the evidence mounts that not even his own team is particularly invested in the ridiculous guff he's come up with lol
You sure don't miss any opportunity to make a joke on Erwan Why so much negativity, buddy?
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Galaad
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posted January 25, 2015 12:31 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
Why so much negativity, buddy?
You know, when things are at their worst, laughing is the best cure. 
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