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violent_flower
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posted November 12, 2014 05:34 AM |
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Is there an innocent sex offender?
Convicted and labeled as such, has done time for it, registers as one and forever wears the badge. What are your feelings on this, what is really crossing the line and what is just our laws interfering with something that may be or not be natural.
I know that this is a touchy subject but it peaks my curiosity to know what people view as wrong and punishable and what is only wrong because our laws have said it is.
A 19 year old boy falls for a 17 year old girl, they have sex and then the girl gets mad at him and next thing you know she and her family file charges. What about back in the day when you married at 14 and started a family? What defines one person ready to consent and another not to?
People mature at different rates at different ages.
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posted November 12, 2014 06:19 AM |
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there are certainly innocent "sex offenders". just because a society deems a certain age "against the law", doesn't mean they're right in the slightest. many different countries have different sexual consent laws, it's not like any of them are truly right. i personally think it matters based on the situation. as long as no one is being harmed(physically OR mentally), i don't think it should be illegal.
what it boils down to, is what the culture at the time is willing to "put up with". of course, i wouldn't use those words myself. i'll let those outraged at natural urges, use that phrase. those who think you should bend over backwards, for their beliefs.
and of course, you will always have people trying to exploit something(either for or against), so it's definitely a tricky issue. but i really think it is a case-by-case thing.
here in the states, it seems to be a witch hunt. children being labeled as sex offenders, for being sexually active with other children. the results of certain cases have been an abomination, and have both permanently marked, and ruined the lives of innocent people.
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posted November 13, 2014 01:15 AM |
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Edited by kayna at 01:19, 13 Nov 2014.
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The sex part is a catalyst, that's for sure. I received a kick to the head when I was 17 years old, my skull is forever bend inward and I have headaches every day for the rest of my life. The pain doesn't go, I just forget it. I knew a girl that got raped, she was emotionally and sexually snowed for about 6 months. No permanent damage but a memory, and let me tell you, she sure received more help and support than I did. You can enter a bar, talk with some drunk guys and realize how they think ; beating and raping women is worse than killing and such.
I'm not sure what made you registered for life, but that 19 with 17 example is really ridiculous. Also a 14 with another 14 is fine. Kind of early but *shrug*. I'm not sure what's the point of a sex offender registry, should there be a registry about all types of crimes? Or is there only that one? Why a sex offender registry but not a killer-murderer registry? Perhaps it's only there to make one walk the walk of shame. Or perhaps it's a way to add to the sentence ; many people commit rape and end up with little sentences, down in Canada at least. The registry could be to add up to that sentence without changing the actual penal law. You see that elsewhere ; cops can only keep you for 1 day in their cell without good reason but recently they added a psychiatric part in hospitals where they can keep you for 30 days if you ever do the mistake of saying you thought about suicide 10 years ago. Montreal cops do try to send you there instead sometimes. Little, subtle add ons like that.
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posted November 13, 2014 02:22 AM |
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Unfortunately a lot of the people who are forced to register as sex offenders probably don't really deserve the label, and so the whole purpose of the law is undermined. I'm talking about 18 year olds having sex with 17 year olds, and similar offenses. Signing up for a registry should be reserved for real sexual predators and pedophiles.
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posted November 13, 2014 02:52 AM |
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The Law should be based also on significant age difference not only being a minor.
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meroe
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posted November 13, 2014 04:26 AM |
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Most of us will agree that the rl situation mentioned in the OP's post is just plain stupid (also I would like to have more information regarding this case really). The real issue here is that he broke the law. She was under-aged. This is the law of the land, we all know what the age of consent is. He took a risk, broke the law and now he has to live with the consequences. Law's are there for a reason. And he sounds like a lot of other stupid 19/20 year old's who push their luck in situations like this.
What happened to personal responsibility and culpability people. If I make the decision to do something illegal, crying about it when I have been caught out and arrested is just juvenile and retarded. Same applies here.
And it proves that the law is correct. His girlfriend/whatever was too damn immature to deal with a relationship/sex etc. Point proven really. Yes its a shame for the guy if he never forced her/coerced etc, but he broke the law by having sex with a minor. And just because he is 19 and not 49 doesn't change anything.
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posted November 13, 2014 05:47 AM |
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I have to agree you with here VF, modern society has gone way too far with this. These laws were created for one purpose, which is that the parents of the world don't want creepy older guys hitting on their daughters. It shouldn't apply in reverse. For example:
1. Recently somewhere in the south (can't remember) a male athlete started having sex with one of his female teachers. She apparently liked it enough that she invited another of her teacher friends and they had a threesome. They were both in their twenties and fairly attractive so of course he started bragging about it. Turns out both the teachers were arrested are probably finished teaching. For what? Utterly ridiculous. There was no crime and there was no victim.
2. This was a famous case, where a 14 year old student started having sex with one of his teachers. She went to jail. After she got out they furtively met for some more nookie. She went to jail again. He sued the district because it failed to 'protect' him. From what!? They're married last I checked. There was never a crime.
On the topic of what you mentioned VF, I remember checking my local police database for sexual predators. I was alarmed to see dozens of sexual predators in my community. Rape in the 2cnd degree! Rape in the 3rd degree! OMG! What does that mean? *click* *click* Oh I see, it means they had consensual sex with a 16 year old...
They shouldn't even use the word 'rape' for that. You should be convicted of being creepy. That way when you see the word rapist you know there's something to be genuinely alarmed about.
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I just remembered a third case that was so completely stupid I still can't believe it. This was a law that somebody was trying to pass here in Washington State - it actually had quite a lot of support although it never got out of committee for a final vote. It basically said that employees of a university of are banned from having sex with students aged 18 to 21 -- unless the age difference is less than 2 years. So if a grad student who teaches classes is 24 and has sex with a student who is 21 he/she is guilty. What was the punishment? A minimum of 1 year in jail, and also it would be a felony. I'm not making this up.
This is the level of hysteria that our society has gotten to.
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posted November 13, 2014 10:02 AM |
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meroe said:
And it proves that the law is correct. His girlfriend/whatever was too damn immature to deal with a relationship/sex etc. Point proven really.
No. It just proves she was a snow. Like so many other women.
Seriously, how many rape charges do we get that never hold in court? Last I remember the UK values alone were ridiculous.
Then again, consent laws differ everywhere and they're snowed up in a lot of places too.
Two 15 year olds have sex and they are both branded criminals, WHAT?
A 15 and 16 year old have sex and because the other is under 16 and the other is not, the 16 year old gets branded as a criminal. In some places a day's difference in birthdates is enough.
And here's the thing, even if neither of the parties presses charges the authorities are required by law, in most places, if it comes to their knowledge.
Thank god some countries have little sense in the issue and have a 2 year age difference rule or something similar in place so that 17+15 does not end in criminal charges. That doesn't remove the issue but it alleviates it.
Still, it's legal for a 15 year old and 12 year old to have sex but when it's 16 year old and 13 year old it's no longer the case? Stupidity at it's best.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most cases about consent raised by the parents, not the participants?
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posted November 13, 2014 01:57 PM |
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most cases about consent raised by the parents, not the participants?
That's correct, parents and relatives are usually the ones to report it, as an underage person cannot consent thus it's usually a clear cut case as soon as the issue is raised.
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kayna
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posted November 13, 2014 02:44 PM |
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The American database is there for everyone to visit, if you guys wanna try it out. I did scroll down to check out every women on the list ( they re quite rare so they stand out lol ), and let me tell you, beware of women between 4 foot 10 and 5 foot 3, for some odd reason, they dont seem to come in taller form than that!
Seems like a legit enough database though. Some were about stuff that happened 25 years ago, some had pretty hardcore reasons to be on the list. I'm not even sure if I'm for or against this list, I can understand parents wanting to protect their kids yet that list has a great potential to snow the life of someone that doesn't deserve to be there. There aren't only rapists ; there are also women faking to be raped. There usually aren't any witnesses to that kind of stuff since people tend to get a room for that, so to speak. Maybe she didn't want to have sex but didn't have the guts to say no to not lose you, then call you a rapist after if you don't act like she wants you to do, going at the hospital to prove the irritation in her vagina. Exactly what happened to Mike Tyson.
Anyways. Still wondering why there are no database for violent crimes. Well, there is one apparently but only for violence against kids. Seems to me there is some political reason behind it too, it definitely reeks of the American terror inducing ways.
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posted November 13, 2014 03:24 PM |
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Thanks so much for all your responses; it really seems that there is this hue over this subject no ones wants to discuss it. I have actually met several different types of these situations!
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posted November 13, 2014 03:32 PM |
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Seriously, how many rape charges do we get that never hold in court? Last I remember the UK values alone were ridiculous.
Woah hold your horses there  , the reason rape charges do not hold in court is not because the woman is making it up, it's usually that it comes down to one's word over the other, and if both accounts seem reasonable then you can't convict someone, since to convict in criminal law requires 'beyond all reasonable doubt'. I said this a number of times but yeah the conviction rate in rape cases is something like 8% here in the UK, (or at least that's what I was told while studying law in college).
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posted November 18, 2014 06:38 PM |
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I feel there are a lot of BS rape charges, kissed off mom's that convince their teenage daughters to setup the soon to be x. Etc
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posted November 18, 2014 07:32 PM |
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violent_flower said:
I feel there are a lot of BS rape charges
x2. my old best friend was threatened to be charged with rape, just because he wanted to break up with his girlfriend.
but it goes both ways. as i said, ass****s will exploit whatever they can.
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posted November 18, 2014 07:42 PM |
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violent_flower said:
I feel there are a lot of BS rape charges, kissed off mom's that convince their teenage daughters to setup the soon to be x. Etc
Whoa whoa whoa there VF, that is a really dangerous assumption. Rape is so difficult to prove as it is. And while I am under no illusion that false rape claims do exist (there has been a rise in them for the past few years) and its why the courts are so important - to get to the truth. Woman who make false rape claims should be imprisoned ... pure and simple and for a long time.
But it would be good for people to remember that rape is not like being mugged, or having a car stolen. There are genuine, frightened, confused human emotions all locked up in a feeling of repulsion, degradation and pure unadulterated horror. Not to mention that if the victim hasn't reported the crime immediately and been further interfered with for the rape kit, its just pretty much her word against his.
Its not just a rough and tumble you know. Its often at knife-point, its violent (even if the victim does not put up a fight). And add to that how many women are raped And murdered. Lets not trivialize rape please.
Rape cases and trials are fraught with difficulties and problems. The situation is far far from perfect and many rapists have walked free.
But regarding the OP, he broke the law. Regardless of whether the mother didn't like him sniffing around her daughter, had he not broken the law, nothing would have happened. Personal culpability. He wanted to have sex with a minor, and her family rightly complained. If he didn't have sex with her, he wouldn't be convicted of rape, would he.
Its almost the same as guys bleating on about their ex or girlfriend falling pregnant. Take responsibility for your own birth control, grow up.
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posted November 18, 2014 08:17 PM |
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Yes but don't you think the law itself is problematic, a 19 yo falls for a 17 yo, which is quite an ordinary and innocent thing by any civilized social norm. Yet, under the law it counts not just as any crime but as rape. If you were a 19 yo person in love with a 17 yo, on a romantic night, would you really think about the law, would that law make any sense to you? It's not like young people sit down and decide these things after long debates, attraction just happens and sometimes very suddenly.
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posted November 18, 2014 08:17 PM |
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Wait.
You don't doing yourself and your sex a favor by throwing everything into the same basket.
Rape is rape, and that means sex WITHOUT CONSENT, that is, forced.
It's not having consensual sex with differently aged people one of them being under 18 (what if both were 17?).
What if the 17-year-old is already fully working, paying taxes - does it make sense to treat her as a minor?
The ACTUAL problem that is touched here is - touched, mind you, is sex with dependents: teachers with pupils, bosses with employees, docs with nurses, you name it, and THAT is the reason behind this: you'd think that a 15-year-old will generally be "dependent" when confronted with a "charismatic" 25-year-old.
That's certainly not the problem with a normal 17-year-old girl and a 19-year-old boy - I would rather say, that they are pretty evenly matched at that age.
Crying RAPE in these cases is just dwarving the enormity of real rapes.
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posted November 18, 2014 08:20 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Crying RAPE in these cases is just dwarving the enormity of real rapes.
exactly.
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posted November 18, 2014 09:13 PM |
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One ridiculous aspect of the sex offender registry is how in some states, people can be put on it for public urination. How a non-sexual act can land someone on a registry for sex offenders is beyond me.
As to 19-year-olds and 17-year-olds having sex (per the example given), I find it ridiculous that the 19-year-old could land on the registry for consensual sex in that instance. From what I remember of criminal law, the rationale is that the minors do not understand the ramifications of sex and the 19-year-old is taking advantage of them. I find that ridiculous. In modern times, I find it very difficult to believe a teenager would not understand the consequences of sex with how much it it shoved down our throats on a regular basis through the media. The laws need to be updated.
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posted November 18, 2014 09:17 PM |
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Especially since in other developed countries such as the UK the legal age of fornication is 2 years less at 16, so it's not THAT outrageous.
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