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GenyaArikado
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posted December 07, 2014 06:12 PM |
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MattII said:
Superior isn't the right word, inferior maybe.
I see what you don't and plan what you can't. Why shouldnt my hand guide you?
Prime example? this thread
For starters, you fail to ses that the image is suposed to be an example, not the literal thing. I picked it because it's the closest i could find to what i had in mind. Green magic, a hood, a reaaaally rotten look and white tear-hero like clothes.
In fact I when i originally posted the image, i hadnt even suggested it as a lich if you bothered to look at the thread when i posted it, i rather did it as a Namtaru replacement. The half rotten look was supposed to be consequence from living half in the physical realm, half in the spiritual realm without being the avatar of a goddess.
Oh and for the..."ones" who posted "they look like acolytes" and "they float as" as impediments, guess who are acolytes and float in H6?
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Darkem
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posted December 07, 2014 06:43 PM |
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Edited by Darkem at 18:45, 07 Dec 2014.
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Oh and for the..."ones" who posted "they look like acolytes" and "they float as" as impediments, guess who are acolytes and float in H6?
As far as I know most of Heroes players hate don't like Liches from H6... Am I wrong?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 07, 2014 06:48 PM |
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Darkem said:
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Oh and for the..."ones" who posted "they look like acolytes" and "they float as" as impediments, guess who are acolytes and float in H6?
As far as I know most of Heroes players hate don't like Liches from H6... Am I wrong?
And doesnt make me any less right  not like i care about their opinions though
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 07, 2014 07:57 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 20:00, 07 Dec 2014.
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GenyaArikado said:
I see what you don't and plan what you can't. Why shouldnt my hand guide you?
Because I plain don't agree with you. Also, insulting people because they don't agree with you isn't a good way to make friends or garner support.
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For starters, you fail to ses that the image is suposed to be an example, not the literal thing. I picked it because it's the closest i could find to what i had in mind. Green magic, a hood, a reaaaally rotten look and white tear-hero like clothes.
Don't agree with green magic, and as for rotten, not quite, it looks more like a broken robot.
GenyaArikado said:
Darkem said:
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Oh and for the..."ones" who posted "they look like acolytes" and "they float as" as impediments, guess who are acolytes and float in H6?
As far as I know most of Heroes players hate don't like Liches from H6... Am I wrong?
And doesnt make me any less right ...
but it doesn't make your idea any more popular. People don't like floating liches and that's all there is to it.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted December 07, 2014 09:11 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
And doesnt make me any less right not like i care about their opinions though
so, people are coming in to say they don't like the H6 Lich and they don't like the floating, you say hold on a minute, floating is cool because the H6 Lich does it, and when someone points out why that makes no sense, you just reply that you're right and don't have to care about anyone's opinion?
lol, OK dude
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 07, 2014 10:07 PM |
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verriker said:
so, people are coming in to say they don't like the H6 Lich and they don't like the floating, you say hold on a minute, floating is cool because the H6 Lich does it, and when someone points out why that makes no sense, you just reply that you're right and don't have to care about anyone's opinion?
lol, OK dude
No. I commented on the floating because someone said liches didnt do that yet they did in H6. The comment about not caring about other people's opinions is more or general statement.
MattII said:
Because I plain don't agree with you. Also, insulting people because they don't agree with you isn't a good way to make friends or garner support.
Don't agree with green magic, and as for rotten, not quite, it looks more like a broken robot.
As far as I know most of Heroes players hate don't like Liches from H6... Am I wrong?
but it doesn't make your idea any more popular. People don't like floating liches and that's all there is to it.
where is the insult? all you have said just proves me further. You can't see.
I didnt make that artwork, i just picked what i found closest to what i had in my mind (which wasnt a lich for starters)
Whether they like it or not it's not the point. Be a dear and go to answer to the previous quote.
It's not like i have any expectance that they're gonna add it to the game. That being said Hel liches werent MY idea, although i do find it better than a skull with nice clothes.
My idea was a replacement for the Namtarus in the other thread and even then, neither the user who originally suggested it here or me in the Necropolis thread said it had to "LITERALLY LOOK THIS" or even mentioned floating as a "CORE DESIGN ELEMENT". The image is supposed to just give an idea yet your refuse to understand, how do you expect me to not think that you're blind if you refuse to understand?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 07, 2014 10:25 PM |
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We perfectly got your idea Genya 
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted December 08, 2014 03:58 AM |
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I'd prefer either skeletal liches or fully humanoid liches... as in, with their magic, they appear like a healthy human being (and if you wanted to make it really cool, once the stack gets below 25% original health, they become skeletal  )
I also wouldn't mind if they got bumped up to a champion tier creature In general I'm not a big necro player, but the archmage lich was always one of my favorite kind of villains.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 05:13 AM |
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The Vampires are lorewise supposed to be the next step in their "evolution" so i doubt it
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 07:48 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
where is the insult? all you have said just proves me further. You can't see.
Here's the insult:
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I see what you don't and plan what you can't.
This is paraphrased as 'you're stupid', which is an insult As for proving it further, that statement proves only how infantile you are.
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Whether they like it or not it's not the point. Be a dear and go to answer to the previous quote.
Actually, whether or not its in H6 isn't the point, the points is that most people don't like those attributes, which is why they don't like that pic.
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My idea was a replacement for the Namtarus in the other thread and even then, neither the user who originally suggested it here or me in the Necropolis thread said it had to "LITERALLY LOOK THIS" or even mentioned floating as a "CORE DESIGN ELEMENT". The image is supposed to just give an idea yet your refuse to understand, how do you expect me to not think that you're blind if you refuse to understand?
You post it in a thread about lichs, people are going to assume you want that to be the new lich. Also, in one sentence you say "this isn't how I pictured them", but in another say "this is close to how I pictured them", which are contradictory.
GenyaArikado said:
The Vampires are lorewise supposed to be the next step in their "evolution" so i doubt it
Lore means sh*t, since Ubisoft changes it every game.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 08:59 AM |
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MattII said:
GenyaArikado said:
where is the insult? all you have said just proves me further. You can't see.
Here's the insult:
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I see what you don't and plan what you can't.
This is paraphrased as 'you're stupid', which is an insult As for proving it further, that statement proves only how infantile you are.
Please stop throwing insults at each other. It won't help you convince the other and is certainly not beneficial for the friendly atmosphere of this forum.
The way i interpreted Genya's post is that (s)he wants to merge lich and namtaru into one unit. For this purpose i can see the artwork posted (too many times) work, because it would not be trying to fulfil the role of lich. However, this means it was posed in the wrong thread; Genya, i think you should have limited your post to the necropolis thread.
I, myself, didn't really have any problems with the mummy look of the H6 lich. My problems with the design lay in the over-abundance of large ugly pointless (no pun intended) spikes and chains, the ridiculous helmet and that ugly oversized staff. And don't get me started on those stupid green tentacles 
If they would've kept the design more simple with a robed, partly mummified dark mage, then i would most probably have liked the unit despite it being not skeletal. If they would've kept the H6 design but with a skeletal lich, i still would've hated it.
My conclusion: skeletal or more fleshy is not the only important factor in the lich's design. I would argue it's not even the most important part.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 09:13 AM |
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When someone tells me he doesn't care about what I think, that's the end of any kind of conversation between us. At that point I even wonder why he's browsing this forum. Such a childish and provocative attitude.
Ignored.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted December 08, 2014 09:26 AM |
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Tsk tsk, such provocatude.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 08, 2014 11:10 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 11:14, 08 Dec 2014.
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Steyn said:
My conclusion: skeletal or more fleshy is not the only important factor in the lich's design. I would argue it's not even the most important part.
While I agree the general design of Liches in MMH6 was missing the point, making them skeletal & tweaking details/colors can have quite the impact.
Look at this fanart I've found on this very forum for example.
(link to thread)
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 11:43 AM |
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted December 08, 2014 11:53 AM |
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But yuck, it floats and stuff
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted December 08, 2014 12:01 PM |
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Galaad said:
Steyn said:
My conclusion: skeletal or more fleshy is not the only important factor in the lich's design. I would argue it's not even the most important part.
While I agree the general design of Liches in MMH6 was missing the point, making them skeletal & tweaking details/colors can have quite the impact.
Look at this fanart I've found on this very forum for example.
(link to thread)
Damn, this looks amazing!
I just hope that Games Workshop isn't going to sue them. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 08, 2014 12:03 PM |
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Avirosb said:
But yuck, it floats and stuff
Yes, but that's almost the only downside left, compared to what was originally provided by Ubi/BHE.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted December 08, 2014 12:36 PM |
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aside from the still-too-many glowing green bits, i like it. i also have no problem with floating stuff as it hints at great magical prowess.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted December 08, 2014 01:25 PM |
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I have to say that when ranking Heroes6 Liches and this one, this one is going home with the trophy.
The green smokey stuff could be morphing and shaping around the Lich overtime, like a spectral snake that coils around a victim .
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