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artu
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posted December 26, 2014 10:16 PM |
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I thought your insomnia was more of a physical nature?
The way I see it, psychologists can be good in case of traumatic situations, like losing loved ones in a car accident etc, they can offer some back-up on the side.
Psychiatrists are for people with issues of more permanent and serious nature like schizophrenia, paranoia and so on. What are these people going to do, sleep it off?
Psychoanalysis is indeed expensive and it's more of an exploration of self rather than "curing oneself." It's a different approach to soul searching if you prefer to spend your money that way.
Needless to say, people shouldn't expect miracles and perfect happiness when they apply to these people and they should choose carefully.
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Adrius
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posted December 26, 2014 10:39 PM |
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I'm not gonna argue any further about it, but I think you'd do best to think both twice and thrice before you project your personal experiences of therapy in a completely unrelated area unto a person with suicidal thoughts. It's serious business of the highest caliber.
I'm sure there are self-help groups or professionals with experience on the matter that can help. It might cost a bit, but your life -whether you want to believe it or not- has more value than anything you can spend money on. I'm sure your girlfriend or other loved one may listen to you as well, but there's a limit to how much pain you can share with them before it hurts them as well, after all they care about you. That is also why, if not for you then for them, I recommend professional help.
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kayna
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posted December 26, 2014 11:08 PM |
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Edited by kayna at 23:10, 26 Dec 2014.
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I believe the correct order is camping - social worker - psychologist - psychiatrist ( absolute last resort )
I firmly believe that psychiatrists work in a very different manner from country to country.
I've seen psychologists and psychiatrists. One psychologist when I was 9 years old for about a year, and some psychiatrists later around 27 years old ( when i was being gang stalked hardcore and extremely confused ). Psychologists are clearly not as corrupted as psychiatrists. You can't end up with brain disabling prescriptions with one, it's why I consider them a way better choice. Not to mention psychiatrists where I live pretty much prescribe any pills the cops tells them to prescribe you. It's ridiculous and more of a way to control the masses than heal you.
Psychiatrists doesn't even bother to understand what happened to you. They can give you a prescription based on a ten minute meeting. It's absolutely absurd. A real test wouldn't be guess and error with dangerous pills until you find the right one ; it would have to be brain scans with blood tests and things like that, something they simply no not bother with. There are still mentally ill people that requires meds, but sadly they also prescribe pills when they dont need to. There's many a reason why many people do not respect psychiatrists.
Now, from a lawyer point of view, I got bad news for you bro. If the law where you live is the same as mine, every information you give to any specialist whatsoever can be spied on. We see on TV people admitting crimes to a psychologist and nothing happens, but it's not true, at least in my country ; it can be used as proof against you in court. Now the thing is... if you decide to be a real hardcore lawyer that doesn't back down from the threat people in the government represent, they will pick an interest in you. They will find every information about you, from start to finish. They will find every post you ever wrote on all website and blogs, they will find every information written down by any and all specialists. They will find cheap ways to do it like creating a bogus claim for the psychologists and psychiatrists to hand over their documents on you. They fill create a psychological profile of you with every bit of information they can gather and they will create specific mental attacks just for you when you end up in court. The job of a real hardcore lawyer is as absurd as that bro. And I suggest you don't let any specialist write anything about you anywhere for that reason. Even this forum. You should delete all of your posts here containing such private information about you.
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DagothGares
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posted December 27, 2014 12:01 AM |
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About 90% ridicuous.
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mvassilev
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posted December 27, 2014 01:24 AM |
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Psychiatrists prescribe medication because the government doesn't want me to think subversive thoughts, that's totally the reason.
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kayna
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posted December 27, 2014 02:13 AM |
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Edited by kayna at 02:19, 27 Dec 2014.
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mvassilev said:
Psychiatrists prescribe medication because the government doesn't want me to think subversive thoughts, that's totally the reason.
Ok it seems I need to give details! I really hate that thing where I get fully discredited for saying only one wrong word. Especially when you convert "control of the masses" to "subversive thoughts".
In an ideal world, a psychiatrist:
1 - prescribe pills to mentally ill people
In the real world, a psychiatrist:
1 - prescribe pills to mentally ill people.
2 - keeps people locked for as long as they can, with subtle questions like "did you think of killing yourself 20 years ago?"
3 - prescribe pills for their side effects as well as their effects ( mostly increased heart rate, more appetite and such, making you slower, sluggish and fatter ).
4 - prescribe anti psychotic pills to 5 years old ( one of the worse subtle crimes on the planet imo btw )
5 - tags you as a mentally ill person for the rest of your life to destroy your credibility.
6 - gets plenty of people hooked up on drugs for the rest of their lives for pharma $.
I'm sure I'm missing some, but those things happen mostly for two reasons : first, every time you enter some psychiatric place, they call the cops and ask them what they got on you. They can lie or exaggerate, and you will never have a chance to defend yourself. Second, most people that works in the public domain doesn't want to lose their job and they know they can lose it if they do something about it. Example, the secretary that called the cops learns about the lie but turns a blind eye and refuse to give a testimony. Because of the long chain of command, the psychiatrist can unwillingly and unknowingly participate in one of those dubious acts.
Example of a chain of command to dillute a lie :
Police A lies to Psychiatrist B : Psychiatrist B can possibly tell if it's a lie.
Higher ranked Police A tells lower ranked Police B the lie. Police B repeats the lie to secretary C. Secretary C repeats it to Psychiatrist D. Psychiatrist D has no idea to tell what s true and what 's not. And beside, since it took him 7 years of university to end up there, he ain't gonna start an investigation. Who's gonna toss 7 years of university down the drain just to make a statement on u tube about anti psychotic pills to 5 years old or to give some random guy like me a testimony?
Psychiatrists should only be seen in the private, paid with your own money. period.
DagothGares said:
About 90% ridicuous.
I find your opinion of my opinion very innocent and naive ( even if believing everything I say would be naive! ). But it's ok, you have the right not to believe me. Instead, why don't you go see a real lawyer, one that took hard cases, like gang stalking or police brutality or any important companies or against the government in general, make him read my post, and ask him or her what is it I say that is ridiculous?
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DagothGares
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posted December 27, 2014 09:02 AM |
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I'm sorry, kayna. I didn't mean to belittle your opinion on police brutality or gang stalking. I am aware those things are often left unvindicated, but that has little to do with counseling, in my opinion.
Vokial, my advice to you. I think you are a very hard worker who has a very low self-image. You had excellent grades and you worked non-stop to achieve those. You even managed to keep something up you kept telling yourself you didn't like. Now, you seem suicidal from your posts.
I advise you to seek a psychiatrist first to stop yourself from despairing. A psychiatrist will help you in the short term with medication and if you have health insurance or government health insurance, you can get your money partially returned for their services. Whatever is left to you in this life, you can't know if it will always be this unhappiness, if you give up on it. I myself have seen a psychiatrist, so I can tell you what it is like and what to expect. A psychiatrist is someone who studied medicine first and then specialised into psychiatry. They are concerned with medicine, so their firt reaction is to give anti-depressants or some type of medication and then prescribe counseling. I have taken these myself and they help. They take away feelings of despair and allow you to build up better coping mechanisms.
And it can just stop there for the help that you may need. If you stop despairing and thinking suicidal thoughts, maybe you can find something that works for you and then you can get off the meds. What you don't need is psycho-analysis. Deep introspection and months of thinking will only muddy the waters. I like blizzardboy's reasoning a lot. Even if you do not agree with his reasoning, it is most important that you do something. When you do things, you can get out of your rut and when you provide for yourself, your feelings of low self-worth and your despair will probably fade away. Try not to get chained to the ground by doubts and feelings of self-hatred.
Maybe you can find somethng you like doing. Maybe you can get training in evening school. Maybe you can do a trade school for 1 year. Actors usually train for 4 years in my country, by the way.
If not, there is counseling. Counseling will help you come up with a long-term solution. A counselor is like a friend you pay to keep badgering you until you come up with a solution for yourself. I advise against seeing a psychologist. A psychologist is often an academician or a researcher of some variant and they are not as trained in communication skills, as most counselors or psychiatrists would be.
Either way, it is important for you to come to peace with yourself and what you did, so you can work to liking yourself enough to help yourself. No one in this world will solve all your problems. Psychiatrists are only there for the truly rock-bottom desperate people to give some chemical support. Counselors probably don't do much more than what a couple of good, smart friends can do or just your girlfriend (mainly talk) (I went to see one, because I just had no communication skills with anyone at the time.)
I hope I've given some insight and made it sound not as scary to seek help. There's no need for suffering or to make yourself suffer, Vokial. Help yourself and get help so you can get going.
Oh, right, for the bad social skills, there's also counseling or groups you can join. There must be some interest you have for which people gather occasionally in your country. Even it's like once a year, I'm sure it's a worthy endeavour to seek things out. I hope some of this is helpful and I wish you all the best.
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posted December 27, 2014 06:39 PM |
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find some people with same interests as yours before you say you have bad social skills. I also have trouble communicating when other people are interested in stuffs I don't care about... for example I have no interest in cars or alcohol or football which are quite common subjects of conversation among boys it seems, so I may appear quite asocial sometimes.
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DagothGares
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posted December 27, 2014 09:49 PM |
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Good point, fauch. I have developped an alternative strategy of just being able to say funny or interesting stuff about whatever.
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posted December 27, 2014 11:48 PM |
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Lexxan
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posted December 31, 2014 04:02 PM |
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The best way to get ahead in life is by keeping yourself occupied.
I have been in a similar situation to you, Vokial. I've been unemployed for a long time (over a year) before I enrolled back in college. I don't feel like I need to repeat what longterm unemployment does to you (but i will recount what happened to me anyway):
- It makes you markedly less intelligent: When you are unemployed you do tend to spend MONTHS in monotony and boredom with the odd job interview providing two days worth of excitement before never hearing from it again. You kill your time with meaningless stuff, halting your learning process, which causes your mind to become less on point
- It lowers yours self-esteem: Why don't I get a job? WHy don't the employers hire me? I have a degree I should get a job SOMEDAY. and before you know it, you're fat, have a neckbeard and watch my little pony all day.
- It strongly penalises your social skills: We're all nerds here. I don't need to point out how social-awkwardness works. However, stuff like that only escalate when you are unemployed as you don't tend to meet new people you can build friendships with.
SO obviously, being unemployed sucks and i've personally been through all the above. It's terrible to look back at that wasted period of my life.
However, instead of trudging about and moaning about how AWFUL my life was, I resumed my learning process this year and get a degree in an area I want to truly start a career in. (in my case: education).
I cannot stress how much this simple thing improved my life standard. I haven't kept contact with anyone from uni (truth to be told I didn't know them that well and I never considered them friends, rly), so i haven't had a true friend for years- now I have about a dozen people in my life I see as true friends. I learn new things every day and improve my already existing knowledge in other areas. Most importantly, I've started to believe in myself again and am feeling confident once more.
Before September I felt like Rapunzel at the start of Tangled, confused, unsure what to think of life, killing time all day wondering when my life will finally begin. Then I exited my proverbial tower and tasted life for what it truly can be, and goddammit, I love it. I'm alive.
Honestly, guys, if you don't know what to do in life, go look for it. Don't be scared; discover. Find yourself; be hungry, be foolish, take chances, make mistakes, get messy, drop good loot and learn from your experiences. Life is what you make of it, so don't waste it being bitter and angry and disappointed. Instead look at who you can become and what you can do to make a difference.
If we all maximized our talents and dreams, we can make the world a better place.
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VokialBG
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posted August 31, 2015 02:49 PM |
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Last post here 1st January this year.
Thanks to all the comments.
I never replayed to you all. Some time passed away.
I was feeling the same for few months after this last comment.
Meanwhile in the last 8 months I lost two very close persons to me. I miss them so much. 6 months passed since the second funeral, but I can not stop thinking about them.
I finished my practice at the court. Now its time for another exam.
I was on vacation. It helped me for few days. Nothing more.
I browse all the job's sites around for new free places according law specialists. There are only nearly 1 new announcement per day and 1500 students came out of the law schools every year in the whole country.
I contacted with people I know. They graduated few years before me. They all told me the same. For the first year, if you have the luck to get employed, you will receive no payment. After that - minimum payment for the next few years... and after 10+ years since your graduation the payment will be nearly ok.
Game over.
I keep browsing. It seems to be all true. I keep trying to contact with those employers and it seems like they wont answer. After all, there is always at least 1 candidate for the job with some more experience than me.
Seems like I lost 5-6 years of my life just to study something boring and without any perspectives. Only people with parents on some "legal" position can get the normal job.
Now I have this alternative:
1. I stay unemployed untill I finally get something in the law sector, and I'll get to payment close to the payment of some mediocre waiter after at least 5-6 years (Not joking. Thats why people emigrate).
2. Become a waiter or a bartender... this way I'll get to this payment just after month. After that... well I dont know. You cant work as bartender all our life, right? And this why I lose 6 years of pains in the university.
3. Win the lottery. I doubt this will ever work.
... I feel even more desperate.
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posted August 31, 2015 02:58 PM |
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VokialBG is there a government social=law-sector for legal representation in your country?
Here in the states, over the years I know at least a couple of people that went that route first to get traction and gain some experience...even if it was not high-paying, one eventually moved on and the other stayed in the field due to some sort of "moral reward" i.e. helping the poor etc.
Anyway, I wish you the very best.
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posted August 31, 2015 03:07 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 15:08, 31 Aug 2015.
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markkur said:
VokialBG is there a government social=law-sector for legal representation in your country?
Here in the states, over the years I know at least a couple of people that went that route first to get traction and gain some experience...even if it was not high-paying, one eventually moved on and the other stayed in the field due to some sort of "moral reward" i.e. helping the poor etc.
Anyway, I wish you the very best.
I know few ppl in this sector. Same story. Minimum payment for years. Helping the poor when you are also poor is not like the best reward... since you have to pay the rent, taxes, more... and the payment in the administration is very low.
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