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GenyaArikado
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posted January 29, 2015 02:18 PM |
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I assume the Lore is going to be adjusted as with the Academy Magi unit turning into the "Disciple"
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Greenlore
Known Hero
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posted January 29, 2015 03:25 PM |
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Articun said:
Weren't always might heroes Rangers and Magic heroes Druids?
That's why i was disappointed when i saw that the druids made a comeback as units. And they were constant in all lineups... Oh well... i guess lack of Imagination.
At least, Druids will be one of the 3 magic classes
Well it is possible that druid won't be one of the 3 magic classes,I mean its not like they can't simply invent something else for the magic classes.
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Avirosb
Promising
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No longer on vacation
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posted January 29, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Greenlore said:
Well it is possible that druid won't be one of the 3 magic classes,I mean its not like they can't simply invent something else for the magic classes.
Keep in mind they love to reuse things if given the opportunity.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2015 05:22 PM |
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Avonu said:
Dave_Jame said:
But isn't lightning Air magic? And aren't Elves Earth focused? And Isn't Air the opposite of Earth? And don't the factions usually lack access to their opposite elements?
Not in Ahsan. I remember Elvin posted somewhere in H6 forum about faction magic, but even looking at MMX, you can see that Elves don't have access to Fire Magic, not Air (also no Dark Magic).
Ashan races don't have much problem with opposite schools, save perhaps light vs dark. And most of the times the restriction is ethical or cultural rather than practical. A prime orc shaman for instance is possible but would probably be a pariah to his people. A dark elf sorcerer on the other hand would be hurt by practicing light magic.
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meroe
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Basically Smurfette
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posted January 29, 2015 09:14 PM |
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Ahh I see Jerry has created an alt  And his posting is evident of his being out of his head on poppers and ketamine.
But as for the sex of creatures there is no reason why it can't be 50/50. Especially as their attributes and skills are going to be decided regardless of sex.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 29, 2015 09:45 PM |
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meroe said:
being out of his head on poppers and ketamine.
sign me up. 
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 08, 2015 03:00 PM |
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Articun said:
so what does it really matter what gender the unit in battle is gonna be?
apparently, this forum cares about gender....
MOD NOTE: The only person who cares about gender in this forum is you, JEmo, and I will not have you derail another thread because of some bizarre crusade you have against women.
You just received a -QP from Corribus today for posting about the issue, again, after multiple warnings. Clearly, the problem lies with us; we simply cannot get through to you. I do not believe you are hopeless though. I am going to give you a month to reflect on the issue in hopes that you might actually learn & grow from the situation.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 08, 2015 03:32 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
Articun said:
so what does it really matter what gender the unit in battle is gonna be?
apparently, this forum cares about gender. I remembered the huge uproar when people were digging through the pdf file as there wasn't a female unit (Justicars were the last found but they weren't found yet).
So yeah, if the situation doesn't favor females = uproar
if it does = no one cares about gender
double-standard
Also, while there were female druids, a vast majority of the druids were male. Majority should represent, not minority.
I've always hated gender-bending. It shows that the creators cares about gender, and that's after Ubi-Nox saying they don't care about gender. Druids are male in almost all (if not all) mainstream games.
Making them female is just adhering to feminist quota.
Yeah, this is all pretty much bullsnow.
What you call the "feminist quota" (a stupid term but that 's not the point) has nothing to do with filling games with females or pushing away males or anything like that. People simply want some representation in games. We want more than white men doing manly things. that's all it's about. There are plenty of men in this game. haven has a 6 to 8 male-female ratio and of those two non-male one is a dog. 51% of the earth population is female so does this actually seem fair to you? Are you actually saying 51% of the world population doesn't have a right to feel represented or even welcome? That's pretty snowty if you ask me.
On top of that Females are almost always identified by their gender. Look at Haven again. See how the Justicar stands out by not having her face covered and showing of her gender why the rest doesn't? Aside from the swordmaster, who has being a champion tier as defining characteristic, The Justicar is the only creature NOT defined by her role rather than her gender and that's a big problem. being female shouldn't be special, yet it always seems to be what defines them. It's not the sword or training or armour that defines the Justicar. It's being a she.
So yes, i do care about gender. In the current industry we need to with, with so few females acting as good role-models and competent heroes. We need more in order for everyone who wants to play and experience this fantastic hobby to feel welcomed and belonging and that's why i will always fight for more female characters. No one should ever feel their only meaning is to be captured or that their skills don't matter because they weren't born with a penis. That's a terrible thing to force upon someone yet it's exactly what the games industry is doing right now.
It has nothing to do with feminism or man-hating or whatever. It's simply about being nice to people who deserve so much more than they get just because they were born without certain parts. I don't want to be part of a medium that can't move away from aged and terrible ideals because it's afraid of cooties. do you? because i don't think you do.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 08, 2015 03:57 PM |
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jEmo doesn't understand that female units are in these games not for gender politics of equality,but they are there only to sell things. Since, hand on heart, as man we like to look at nice female bodies. :-* That's the same reason, you never see a fat or ugly female :-)
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 08, 2015 03:58 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
or ugly female :-)
We sure saw ugly females in H5 
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 08, 2015 04:39 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
jEmo doesn't understand that female units are in these games not for gender politics of equality,but they are there only to sell things. Since, hand on heart, as man we like to look at nice female bodies. :-* That's the same reason, you never see a fat or ugly female :-)
i do feel h7 is doing good progress here (once again, the Justicar is freaking fantastic) with the only "attractive eye-candy"(so far) is potentially the djinn and even then it's pretty tasteful and fits the faction theme. besides adding more female units like the Justicar would actually open up the door for all those people clamoring for more females in games. That's a large audience and ubisoft would be completely daft not to take them into consideration. people are starting to demand women defined by things other than gender.
And yeah, i also enjoy a nice female body from time to time in my games, but it needs to be either tasteful or at the very least be balanced with some nice male ones as well. H5 went overboard with the pandering (shamans and DE, i mean seriously) and h6 did improved some of it but barely made much progress (no female melee units or physical attackers. all of them magical in some way). H7 on the other hand actually impress me. there are problems, sure, but no female unit is only there for fan-service. they have a purpose even if it's not always perfect (haven).
female druids could be a way for Limbic to truly show how they can incorporate a female unit in a great way. still a magic creature, but with Justicar and gargoyle stomping around that's not a big issue anymore. Make gender a non-thought. What they need to do is design it first and then make it female. deciding gender before design is what makes this a big issue: someone being female or male adds a lot of expectations. get rid of that.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 08, 2015 04:44 PM |
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You forgot the Sea elf pirate, which is a also female melee might unit, So Justicaras are not standing alone in the front line. ;-)
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 08, 2015 04:46 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Since, hand on heart, as man we like to look at nice female bodies. :-* That's the same reason, you never see a fat or ugly female :-)
This and totally this, very well spoken!
Galaad said:
We sure saw ugly females in H5
They were beautiful in their own cartoonish way Excpet for succubi.
P.S.: is JEmo banned or we'll see him again?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 08, 2015 04:50 PM |
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This said.. it would be nice if the orcs or Elves spiced the female unit roster with some diversity. A fat or ugly druid would be interesting.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 08, 2015 05:00 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
This said.. it would be nice if the orcs or Elves spiced the female unit roster with some diversity. A fat or ugly druid would be interesting.
agreed, though a fat/ugly druid makes no sense since they would likely be outdoors and getting much exercise and elves just aren't ugly. variety in body-shape is what we're looking for so something more muscular with thinner hips and smaller breasts. orcs do need ugly ladies though, but that's so we get some consistency between genders since males are pretty ugly.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 08, 2015 05:21 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:50, 08 Feb 2015.
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Galaad said:
Dedicated to Jeremiah Emo
Just to clear out possible misunderstandings, I said this because Jeremiah was having a heavy male druids campaign at official blogs, and he was polite enough not to open a thread about it here (or at the very least was aware of the possible consequences). I also believe is his aesthetic preference for druids to be male and not female, feminist conspiracy theories left aside. As for the poll, as I already said, I am curious about statistics and diverse opinions about various subjects in general.
Sandro400 said:
They were beautiful in their own cartoonish way
Maybe is linked to the fact I disagree with the general art direction of Heroes V, but I never could take seriously units like Shadow Matriarch. This does not apply to female units exclusively though, Blade dancer in that game also didn’t look so appealing to me ie. I am much more positive for Heroes VII regarding that matter though (apart for Necropolis obviously). The Justicar is one of my favorite units in Wolf Haven, and even though I didn’t vote female on the poll, I am looking forward to the design Limbic will cook us up regarding the druidess. I agree with Kiryu when he says “Elves just aren’t ugly”, Elves are a race well-known for their non-vulgar, stunning beauty, and I expect this unit to be faithful to this ideal.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted February 08, 2015 05:27 PM |
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Galaad said:
I agree with Kiryu when he says “Elves just aren’t ugly”, Elves are a race well-known for their non-vulgar, stunning beauty, and I expect this unit to be faithful to this ideal.
they're also short and allergic to metal, but that'll probably never come up
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted February 08, 2015 05:36 PM |
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Galaad said:
Maybe is linked to the fact I disagree with the general art direction of Heroes V, but I never could take seriously units like Shadow Matriarch. This does not apply to female units exclusively though, Blade dancer in that game also didn’t look so appealing to me ie. I am much more positive for Heroes VII regarding that matter though (apart for Necropolis obviously). The Justicar is one of my favorite units in Wolf Haven, and even though I didn’t vote female on the poll, I am looking forward to the design Limbic will cook us up regarding the druidess. I agree with Kiryu when he says “Elves just aren’t ugly”, Elves are a race well-known for their non-vulgar, stunning beauty, and I expect this unit to be faithful to this ideal.
Totally agree with you, I too disliked H5's art direction.
What people love is Justicar is that they look like a real warrior. They don't have chainmail bikini but full plate armor. That's just gorgeous. And they're not "brute force knight" but more of a slender build who use their dexterity and fancing prowess in battle. I like it. And we can have muscular brutal/ugly females in Stronghold or Fortress (tbh they don't suit Haven/sylvan), factions known for their approach for war. Centaurs and Harpies of H6 were already not "Miss Universe", but just imagine female Cyclops ^^
kiryu133 said:
they're also short and allergic to metal, but that'll probably never come up
Tolkien forever changed the Elves visuals in mass media 
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 08, 2015 05:42 PM |
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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted February 09, 2015 06:00 AM |
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JeremiahEmo2 said:
@kiryu
that's exactly why I call it feminist quota.
Instead of thinking about creativity, you think about representation.
Representation and creativity are not mutually exclusive. Representation is important. White men are not the only people in this world that matter. Because white men are the norm, it is important to support the greater representation of other groups of people, including true, sincere, and diverse representations of women.
JeremiahEmo2 said:
so, I'm reporting Corribus for unfair treatment of member. I'm going to create a thread in Turban Tribunal once I have the power to do so. Other mods, please don't ban me yet until I get this mod to justice. I would gladly accept punishment after all these is resolved.
EDIT: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41052&pagenumber=1
I'm sorry, Jeremiah, but I'm honestly afraid for you and the people in your life that you affect. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk when I say that. I really do hope you'll grow as a person and that you'll grow out of this hateful obsession. However, in this current situation, I fully support Corribus, OmegaDestroyer, and the other moderators who have taken actions against you. I'm surprised you haven't been permanently banned already. I will write in your new thread too, but I just wanted to have acknowledgement here as well.
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As for the original topic, I do not care at all if the druid is a man or a woman (or neither or both!), I just hope the design will be something that I can enjoy and respect. I'm always concerned about Ubi's design choices.
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