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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 12, 2015 06:31 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 18:31, 12 Apr 2015.
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see? much better than your previous description which sounded like he/she was going to do something completely different. 
sounds like a cool campaign. bit hard to get non-haven foes but whatever
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fan
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posted April 12, 2015 07:13 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I decided to post this idea here as well:
I'd like to see the Gold dragons of Ashan, children of Elrath - purer, holier and more righteous than Angels themselves. I picture them as extremely rare and I imagine that Angels would try to protect them by any means necessary. That being said, I wonder what would happen if such a dragon disagreed with or condemned Angelic cause... It'd be rather intriguing. 
Hmmm...It could be similar to Azure Dragons in HoMM 3, beings of absolute power, extremely expensive and very hard to find.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 07:25 PM |
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I'd rather play as Biara than some new guy. Besides afaik the Messiah is Kha-Beleth son.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 07:37 PM |
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We're talking about the ritual that was performed when Isabel was a child, Genya. Not about the actual impregnation. These were two different things, you know.
That being said, now that I described this guy's character, it might be one of the reasons I'd prefer to play as him rather than as Biara.  I suppose I just want to see a level-headed, smart-but-loyal demon once in a while. Not to mention that with all the old characters used in these ideas, having one as an assisting (but still important) character rather than as a player identity would be a plus for me.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 07:54 PM |
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Ah.
Still want Biara not some new guy.
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted April 12, 2015 09:59 PM |
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I want Zehir or Anton,my two best characters!
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 10:21 PM |
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Zehir shouldn't appear until a post-Dark Messiah game. Frankly, even then he shouldn't appear, it would be enough for him to get mention in the lore, kinda like Anton in Heroes VII's backstory, lel.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 12:27 AM |
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Reading through mine ideas, it appears that my conception for the story of Inferno expansion has a lot of potential to explore a specific concept - 'what makes a hero?'.
Alexei died, charging in with intention to defeat the Demon Sovereign once and for all. He would ensure the safety of the peoples of Ashan, but instead his decision ended up having the elite of the Griffin Empire slaughtered by demons. Ultimately, was his death brave and heroic, or wasteful and foolish?
Cyrus is a sung hero who saved the world from non-existence, when he slayed Sandro, thwarting his plan to annihilate the Dragon Gods. But now, with Nadia no longer by his side, he's an arrogant and cold mage whose actions are driven only by his own self-interest. Should his past heroism be honored and his decisions respected or should he be condemned for his present deeds?
Then, the Inferno protagonist. He's a hero of his people through and through - an idealistic soldier, loyal to his ruler, successfully opening the first door to the freedom of his kin. Yet, his actions sooner or later will result in massacres of the people he fights against - something that he wouldn't complain, or even think twice about.
I hope Ubi is taking notes...  Well, all I can do is hope.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 13, 2015 01:11 AM |
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Sligneris said:
kiryu133 said:
but would Erwan allow her to become the Mutare we know and love?
Since the post limit got me, we had a talk about it using the messenger.
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Sligneris:
"Urgh... I can't answer this in the thread. 
I'm not sure if I can answer that question - what do you mean exactly by this statement?"
Kiryu:
"she turns into a dragon. not sure that would fly in ashan."
Sligneris:
"Actually, that would fit very well with Ashan - the most skilled Dragon Knights are capable of transforming into a dragon. Examples of that include Cate from Heroes VI and several Dragon Knights from Heroes Online.
So there's no problem with that, and the fact that the change is not permanent is in this situation pretty minor - it's supposed to be a tribute after all, not an exact recreation."
Kiryu:
"you missunderstand. she starts out obsessed with dragons, collects (and recruits) a bunch creating an army of most (if not all) types of dragons and the gets a vial and turns into one permanently. she literally becomes a dragon warlord. she's not a shapeshifter. her intire identity lies in her turning into a (and commanding an army of) dragon(s). considering ashans dragons only exists in some sort of tandem with their gods and mutare very explicitely collects all kinds to follow her...
but i guess it could work in some future where dragons are no longer affiliated maybe. just unsure an Ashan mutare would do her justice, probably better to with another name."
Sligneris:
"Hmn... You have a point. Dragons of Ashan are children of gods. They are mostly sentient and wise, and wouldn't follow just anyone - she would need to have traits they would appreciate. Out of all the Dragons in Ashan, I can imagine only Fire and Shadow dragons following her... Possibly Earth and Water if she could prove herself honorable, but she's not very monk-like, so I doubt it... Still, binding the rest to her will would require immense power, and would be a monstrous heresy.
...I actually think it's pretty cool. Considering she was formerly part of the Dragon Knight order, she would be a kind of a fallen hero. In order for her to stay truer to the original she could also find a way to stay in her dragon form nearly permanently, turning back into a human when she thinks it necessary.
I think I like it  "
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I still think that we should use something like this as a cool reference, rather than copy exact plotlines, but what do you guys think?
How about this for Mutare in Ashan. Put her around the events of Dark messiah or after. Make her a Dragon Knight with the ability to transform into a dragon (possibly Fire dragon to show her nature). In the course of events, she decides to search the help of all the elder dragons (or avatars of the dragon Gods) to give her an army to combat the Armies of demons. The quest she is given comes for Ylath (to give him finally a part to play in the world) that tells her of an artifact that will indeed give her the ability to command dragons. The downside is that this will give her traits of all the dragons, something a mere human cannot do. Ylath will advice her not to pursue this quest unless she deems herself worthy. Mutare does believes so and starts the quest. She will have mostly shadow dragons and faceless in her army at first (the first dragon God to have her agenda with her quest). With each part of the artifact she fuses with her, she begins to change (fire makes her more spontaneous, passionate, easy to anger etc, water makes her have mood swings etc). When she finally collects all artifacts and manages to command all dragons, the power is so overwhelming she literarly transforms into a dragon (possibly a dragon God) but she goes mad. So instead of going against the demons, she goes against the whole of Ashan.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 01:35 AM |
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Originally I thought she would be simply following her ambition, like her Enroth counterpart, but this one also sounds cool.
I think it would be preferable for her to only have visions, dreams about these artifacts and their power, rather than simply being told about them by a god. Still, a Dragon Knight's individual mission, a noble attempt to gather an army of dragons to counter the demon invasion... and then everything going wrong, while she is losing herself on every step and eventually starting to lose sight of her own morality, dominating and enslaving dragons she once respected and finally herself becoming one, possibly the most powerful one. She would then seek to take over Ashan, taking her 'rightful' place as the ruler of dragons, the children of gods.
While we haven't necessarily decided on the final version of her story, I still like this idea. Really Ubi, please let this thread become canon.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 04:11 AM |
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She would prob ably be a dark elf.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 07:22 AM |
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I somehow imagined her as a human though.
But speaking of Dark Elves... You know who else I would like to see in Heroes 7? Ylaya, the protagonist of Dungeon campaign from Hammers of Fate. She should not have too big a role, she could even be a generic hero, but I feel that making her return in one way or another would add to the sense of continunity.
Well, I also obviously still hope that Ivan's councillor is Anwen's father, Lasir.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 11:47 AM |
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Not here for a human queen of the dark elven dungeon. Or the dungeon becoming not dark elven
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 12:28 PM |
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Hmn? Darkness-affiliated Mutare? I don't see it. She would become a black dragon at the end of her campaign, but without any single element. At the start, she'd probably be a Dragon Knight, but I think that she would not yet have a specific dragon either.
She could belong to the Dungeon faction and begin her quest with faceless and shadow dragons, but I don't think she would stick to Ygg-Chall. She's more affiliated with the Dragon Knights than with Dungeon faction - and when her search for power would go too far, she'd rather attempt to rule whole Ashan rather than the dark elven kingdom.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 13, 2015 01:32 PM |
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If she were a Dark elf, i would give her a Fire Dragon as an inner dragon, much like Cate was a human but her inner dragon was a Black one. That would make her reckless, passionate and honor bound.
I'd start her off as young but decisive, to know what she wants and what her actions mean and do. Have her struggle if what she is doing is wrong or right, etc.
So then when she finds each artifact, and binds it to her, we can see her change slowly throughout the campaign.
In the end, i would make her a Crystal or Iris Dragon, a dragon that is a fusion of elementals, thus being quite stronger than the rest of the dragons, so as to have a unique model in the world.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 01:54 PM |
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I agree with everything articun said above.
Well, with an exception for one thing - I'd still like her to start out with an ability to transform into a red (fire) dragon and then ultimately end up as a black dragon - even if for reason no other that because it looks more imposing than a shining Crystal dragon.
Obviously, she's going to be the most powerful of Ashan's dragons, outshadowed only by the Dragon Gods.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 13, 2015 02:29 PM |
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Let's agree on this then. The first map that will introduce Mutare will be the one of her final trial to bring out her inner Dragon that will be a fire dragon. So you get to play and build her until a certain level before she gains her ability to transform.
In her final Form let's bring back the original Dragon Mutare that is a mix of red, black and gold dragon. And have a black dragon model in game with a different skin? What do you say?
So in the time of Heroes VIII, there will be two threats and the Factions of Ashan should divide to face them. Necromancers, Haven, Dwarves against Demons and Sylvan, Academy and Dungeon against Mutare. This would prove to be interesting alliances
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 13, 2015 03:30 PM |
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Enter Dracon, only after that he'll feel empty and hollow inside.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 13, 2015 03:46 PM |
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Actually, I have not yet decided on the exact story, but I would expect to give her a campaign when she unites dragons under her in order to save the world, while her goal slowly becomes an attempt to conquer it.
It could be that there would be two campaigns concluding the story - just like in Heroes V Sylvan campaign had us slay Nicolai and Academy one had us deal with Markal, we could have our hero(es) first safe the world from demon invasion, then from Mutare and the dragon threat.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fan
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posted April 13, 2015 04:06 PM |
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Yeah, and it would also be cool for her to tame the dragons of Air (which would be a neutral unit) and maybe the Wywerns, but I'm not sure if they count as dragons. Also, if we take "one dragon-one faction", what would be the wizards dragon ? And the Haven one ?
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