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verriker
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posted July 24, 2015 12:29 AM |
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Kimarous said:
[Such charming terrorist mentality. "The bombing wasn't intended to hurt people. Just to keep the government on their toes and force them to respond to my demands. That makes it okay!" 
fair enough, if you equate internet comments to blowing up innocent people in a building lol
honestly it really is not out of spite, you might not be aware but one of the real reasons he pulls that stuff is to expose how shallow that site is as a popularity contest platform just full of drive by meaningless comments, he has expressed this before and many users agreed, he pleaded at the fan day for them to set up a proper moderated forum instead so people can give reasoned proposals for the game in a more thoughtful, controlled civil environment using our brains lol
Sleeping_Sun said:
Verriker, I get what you want to say. I know that some people are really frustrated for some bad decisions made by Ubi, but what benefit do we all gain by spreading this frustration around?
I mean look that's the thing about forums, you are encouraged to express yourself, if the subject matter of your forum is going in a bad direction then the tone is going to tend to be negative, obviously people generally don't want to hear negativity (I don't wear an Erwin avatar for fun lol) but as sad as it is, that's honestly the only option left here lol
I recommend a view of the Jimquisition here, it basically sums up the predicament of the disappointed Heroes fans, also it's funny, genuinely give it a watch if you have time
you guys just try to put yourself in the other position, the dilemma of ye olde fans is that they want a game of high quality, so far there has been no constructive way to accomplish this, so the only way is to express our issues with the current practices lol
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posted July 24, 2015 12:34 AM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 00:52, 24 Jul 2015.
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All and all, I'm just sick of the constant blaming. Blaming Ubisoft for their vision of Heroes, blaming Ubisoft's fans for liking their games, blaming Ubisoft for "corrupting" their fans, blaming Ubisoft's fans for being "too quick to defend"... and not once taking a moment for introspection and asking yourself "What can I do differently?"
On my side of the fence, it's constant hostility from the NWC side, oftentimes for reasons that feel overblown or weren't even intended to "insult" the NWC side... and yet we're bombarded again and again while being told we're on the "wrong" side.
We're not the aggressors. 
verriker said:
Kimarous said:
Such charming terrorist mentality. "The bombing wasn't intended to hurt people. Just to keep the government on their toes and force them to respond to my demands. That makes it okay!"
fair enough, if you equate internet comments to blowing up innocent people in a building lol
You have no idea how scarily aggressive you guys get. I was legitimately afraid one of the users invited to the developer's offices might actually snap and try to physically harm them. Yes, you guys can be that threatening at times. It's why I didn't find Galaad's "ha ha, stabbing Erwan with a fork" photo entertaining.
So to sum up... yes, sometimes I really do think you guys sound like terrorists. "Causing harm just so they pay attention to us" is a heinous mentality to me. I can't support that line of thinking.
Yes, I'm completely sincere when I say that.
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Pawek_13
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posted July 24, 2015 12:57 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
And let's not forget this is Ubisoft's third attemp on the series, which is already showing signs of decadence and less investment by Ubisoft. The future is by no means bright...
Exactly! I am for Ubisoft keeping the franchise, as it truly doesn't matter whether it brlongs to one big gaming company or another but their practice of constant change of dev teams each time a new game is made doesn't serve the franchise at all. I hope that Limbic becomes the studio that does M&M games in general, as it will provide stability that this franchise needs. Otherwise the history will just repeat itself and each new game will be a disappointment for more and more people.
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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted July 24, 2015 01:28 AM |
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Kimarous said:
You have no idea how scarily aggressive you guys get. I was legitimately afraid one of the users invited to the developer's offices might actually snap and try to physically harm them. Yes, you guys can be that threatening at times. It's why I didn't find Galaad's "ha ha, stabbing Erwan with a fork" photo entertaining.
So to sum up... yes, sometimes I really do think you guys sound like terrorists. "Causing harm just so they pay attention to us" is a heinous mentality to me. I can't support that line of thinking.
Yes, I'm completely sincere when I say that.
I refer you to my earlier post, "I think you guys are all taking this crap waaay too seriously lol"
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Dies_Irae
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posted July 24, 2015 10:35 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
Not everyone however: Dies_Irae makes great posts and doesn't try to insult anyone and is generally pleasant to be around and i always enjoy his/her posts on any subjects, especially when we disagree. Sadly, he/she's rather unique in that and being an "ashanite" at the same time.
You flatter me , also: he.
Of all the games I played up to this date, there are only two communities I actually am involved in: this one, and Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (a 1998 game). Also, my involvement here only started quite 'late', so to speak. I was on the SC before I made an account here.
And what am I doing other than sharing thoughts like the rest of us?  Having a different opinion is what sparks the discussion, which is why we all gather here. That is what a forum is for, after all. The real issue here is the way people sometimes express their opinion and react to those of others. I can perfectly understand why one half is so defending the older games, and why the other half feels more accustomed to what Ubisoft has been doing the last 10 years. But instead of bashing each other's brains in all the time, we best try to find some middle ground.
I don't, and won't, hate on H3 (I know, in the Fan Interactions thread I posted a picture of an ancient ruin to depict the NWC era, but that was more meant as a joke, really). I do play it, it has its appeal that still makes it a good game (and the music adds a great deal to that). It's just that I have played the Ubi-games more, and have come to appreciate those over the old games. It is what it is. But I too started with 3 and 4 just as much as others, so it's not like I am Ashanite-only xD. More like a convert. I would put myself in the New Fan front.
Many of the people here are really serious fans, who have also put time in analyzing the skill system and mechanics, having even modded them or worked around the clock to improve upon and expand what already existed. People have in-depth knowledge of the games, old and recent, and that fuels high expectations, especially when the mechanics as they used to be suddenly turn up side down like in H6. I'm not like that at all. I'm your casual gamer. To me, H6 is a Heroes game as I know it, with the same basic principles. Yet at the same time it is vastly different on several fronts and adds new things, which I believe are actually quite refreshing. Others find it abominable, and such is their right.
I find myself adaptable. If a Heroes game used to be like A, but now becomes B, I become interested in B and want to explore it. Then I will find out if I like A better than B or vice-versa. That is why Heroes 4 doesn't score high on my list, but the possibility of having a heroless army or an armyless hero is actually quite interesting imo. Some may find my 'adaptability' similar to being brainwashed, 'the easy customer'. Let them think that, it doesn't bother me much.
Most important of all: RESPECT. Okay, if you think that Ubi doesn't respect the franchise, that's one thing. But we are not Ubi, we are people who play games. You are people who play games. You like H3, hate H6. Fine, as long as you have arguments to support your claim and not go hating for the sake of it, I respect your opinion. If I enjoy H6, and feel more attuned to it than H3, I hope you respect my opinion for as long as I can support it as well, instead of just saying "I love H6, my reasons are my own."
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Steyn
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posted July 24, 2015 01:56 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Steyn said:
What was wrong with MMX? And do you consider H4 to be part of the heroes franchise?
Well devs stated MMX wasn't very successful. Besides, they wanted to bring in old-school experience, yet they had zero mention of sci-fi part. Yet it was said that they wanted to bring the "old school" experience. Probably other flaws there.
I'm pretty sure they meant the game mechanics and the many puzzles, not genre. They maybe went a bit too much old school with the game mechanics for my liking, but I'm happy that they didn't include sci-fi elements (other that that dude in his egg). I found it completely breaking my immersion when my MM7 heroes suddenly had to use laser guns in a medieval fantasy world.
On the flame war discussion: Like Dies-Irae I am a casual gamer. I liked H3 a lot, but find it lacking in certain aspects. Some of those were fixed in H4 or H5, but those games unfortunately had their own share of faults. Overall I like H5 more than H3, even though it is annoyingly slow. H6 was a bit of a disappointment for me, mostly because of the bugs, but also because the skill system feels like a serious downgrade after that of H5. So I feel a bit like I am in the middle of these two camps. I am not a die hard NWC fan by far, but also wouldn't describe myself as a UBI fan.
Even so I often find the old school clan to be overly judgemental and prejudiced against anything UBI related, which makes me sympathize more with the ashanites. Yes, Ubisoft has made a huge blunder with H6 and yes they are not taking the franchise in the same direction it was going 12! years ago, but please realise that both the times and the public are changing. This age is heavily influenced by Warhammer, Blizzard, Tolkien and MMO RPG's, so it is only logical this is reflected in the newer games. If you don't like this that is of course absolutely okay, but please don't go insulting the people who do (and Verriker, laughing about everything someone says is also insulting  ).
I am afraid you guys of the NWC era have to realise that a new holder of the IP also means a new vision. Hopefully UBI will stick to Limbic as (main) developer for the MM franchise, so they will get the chance to learn and make the games grow, just like NWC did with H1->2->3. And who knows, if the current formula turns out to be a disaster they might go back to something more akin to the old era, or sell the IP...
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted July 24, 2015 03:21 PM |
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Let's steal the declaration of heroes independence!
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SepSpring
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posted July 24, 2015 04:32 PM |
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Deep down I only feel an emptiness, seeing what Heroes (or Might & Magic in general) has turned into. But, to keep any more fighting, I would hereby declare that Ubisoft does not make Might and Magic games anymore. Hence why they replaced the "and" word with an & [ampersend] sign.
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Franchise has lost it's roots and direction but i don't think it's unsalvageable. It just needs to re-discover not only what made it great in the past, but why that made it great (Hint: it's lineups and atmosphere together with simple yet deep mechanics and heavy focus on chance).
That's it.
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they say h3 vampires looks like rabbits
Can't imagine the breed these people referred to.
My personal hate towards Ubisoft exists since the moment I realized they had no interest in franchise but commercial, IMO. The way they handled HVI and MMX still infuriates me.
But I'm really OK with new games' fans. At least, these people aren't the ones responsible for the whole mess.
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frostymuaddib
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posted July 24, 2015 05:29 PM |
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To me, everything ended with Heroes 6. Heroes 5 had its flaws, but it was a step in right direction. Just look at MMH5.5. It is fan made project, and it is better than Heroes 6 and Heroes 7 (from what I've seen in beta).
When Heroes 6 was announced, I was excited. And then I got beta... My dreams were crushed: both arthwork and gameplay were something that I hated. I cannot name one thing that I liked in Heroes 6. As for Heroes 7, it looks like the game Heroes 6 should've been. BUt that still doesn't mean that I like it (actually, I dislike it a little less than H6 ).
The most important thing about this is that it is my opinion. If someone has different one, I respect that. I will also respect if someone likes H6 and H7. Someone said that we, as fans, should ask ourselves whar can we do for the Heroes game. I did that and realised that I can do the following (I already did that): not buying (and ofc. preordering) any (Heroes) game that I don't like. The idea behind this is to avoid what happened with H6: most of us hated it, and yet Ubi concluded it was financial success and continued down the same path. If it failed commercially, maybe things would have been different, but who knows.
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posted July 24, 2015 05:34 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
As for Heroes 7, it looks like the game Heroes 6 should've been.
This. So much this. Way to go "back to the roots". lmao.
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PandaTar
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posted July 24, 2015 06:19 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
To me, everything ended with Heroes 6. Heroes 5 had its flaws, but it was a step in right direction. When Heroes 6 was announced, I was excited. And then I got beta... My dreams were crushed: both artwork and gameplay were something that I hated. I cannot name one thing that I liked in Heroes 6. As for Heroes 7, it looks like the game Heroes 6 should've been. BUt that still doesn't mean that I like it (actually, I dislike it a little less than H6 ).
Same feeling here, although right now, I dislike H7 more than H6. Somehow, I feel like this should have been a better job, learning from the flaws of the past, and it doesn't show any of my expectations. It's a feeling of tarnishing and corruption of something I held dear for a long while. And, as you so importantly said: my opinion and feeling on the game.
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I did that and realised that I can do the following (I already did that): not buying (and ofc. preordering) any (Heroes) game that I don't like. The idea behind this is to avoid what happened with H6: most of us hated it, and yet Ubi concluded it was financial success and continued down the same path. If it failed commercially, maybe things would have been different, but who knows.
That. Played H6 demo, didn't like it, didn't buy it. Learning about H7 mechanics and overall structure and designs, I don't like them, I won't buy it. I take this decision a bit more truthfully and loyalty to my judgement, as my feeling towards the game. I won't give money to something I don't like and I find very strange the idea that we should do it following the mantra 'to avoid the series to end, because maybe the next one will be better', which I'm aware some here follow, still their decision.
I've ranted about the game already, sometimes obnoxiously even, but I had my share. The simple truth that dawns to me is: if I'm getting intoxicated, I'll get rid of the poison. The worst thing that impacted me regarding H7 is that it's not bringing the old feeling anymore. By 'old' I don't mean old mechanics, old games, line ups, graphics. Intead, it's the feeling of 'having fun', which I had with the old installments. I simply played H4 the most, I had more fun with it, even more than H3 and H2. In H5, when heroes were not in the battlefield anymore, I felt forlorn, ripped off something I did enjoy, and some other additions that started displeasing me - and it was then that all this Ashan matter started to be associated with unpleasant feelings; not that Ashan is bad, but only the fact that all Ashan related HoMM games up to date are not of my taste, so why should I like this setting? H7 showed expectations that the game could return a bit to the level of fun that H5 provided: not that much, but average, maybe enough to spend +10 hours playing it, or durable through campaigns and some interesting maps. Instead, H7 deception made me feel hoodwinked, sad, worried, betrayed somehow. The worst of it is that compels me to look back, to when I had fun with the series and simply replaying old games won't do, I don't enjoy playing the old games as I used to, specially because I have played them so much, and being forced to feel this way seems to be tarnishing the feeling I had to the old series, which is very bad, so I decided, for a while now, that I wouldn't play even the old games anymore, as to preserve the good memories stored by them.
I need feeling innovation, daring, to be surprised, and in these matters, H7 cannot simply stir a single leaf of my likeness.
Still, thinking that these news of modding and map editor are good, I also feel pretty much bad the idea that a game needing modding as good news. It looks like it plainly states that it's not promptly entertaining. Same goes for hopes for DLCs or Expansions to turn something better. Modding, as I would expect, should come way after the game has been made, when some daring souls started to squeeze in more life from it, increasing the lifespan of the game and, of course, of its own fanbase.
I'm aware many people are loving it, like it or find it fairly attractive. I'm not one of these. I personally would have it gone after H6's fiasco. Simply because after every edition, the crashing waves of disappointments, expectations, high and low, and toxic comments here and there, whirlwinds of same discussions over and over, it really brings a bad feeling over all of it. So, better not have it, than having something that keeps slowly killing the memories of something that used to make me happy.
As for the fact that old fanbase and new fanbase will enter an agreement: I don't know. I can get along with new fanbase. I won't try to prove their new game sucks, because judgement differs. If this franchise survives UBI era and ends in the hands of another publisher, it would be interesting to see the oldest fanbase, the old fanbase (currently the new one) and new fanbase gather again around the new temptress and ominous proposal.
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sblister
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posted August 05, 2015 04:28 PM |
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Instead of fighting and bickering, why not do something about it?
If you hate the Ashan world, get a group of like-minded people together and make your own Heroes game.
With Kickstarter, and a large group of fans who want their "version" of Might and Magic, it won't be too difficult.
So summon your forces and make your own game. You won't be able to call it Might and Magic due to obvious legal reasons, but you can nevertheless create a "spiritual successor".
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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 05, 2015 04:56 PM |
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sblister said:
Instead of fighting and bickering, why not do something about it?
If you hate the Ashan world, get a group of like-minded people together and make your own Heroes game.
With Kickstarter, and a large group of fans who want their "version" of Might and Magic, it won't be too difficult.
So summon your forces and make your own game. You won't be able to call it Might and Magic due to obvious legal reasons, but you can nevertheless create a "spiritual successor".
sorry I think most users here care about the welfare of the Might and Magic IP, people are invested in shaping Might and Magic itself into a franchise of high quality again, not interested in a shadow clone version of it lol
it's like saying if you didn't like the Star Wars prequels you can go and make your own Star Wars prequel and call it Space Brawls, that is obviously not a very practical or useful piece of advice lol, what would be practical is to exercise the democratic right of expressing disappointment and work towards a better product next time lol
equally if Ubisoft has a vision generally felt to be incompatible with Might and Magic (or no vision as Erwin would put it), they should have been the ones to apply that to their own game, not the fanbase lol
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Zenofex
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posted August 05, 2015 04:58 PM |
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This "discussion" is great.  Thumbs up from the nostalgia side of the barrier. 
P.S. Ashan sucks. Stomach it or vomit it, no middle ground. 
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EnergyZ
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posted August 05, 2015 05:31 PM |
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sblister said:
Instead of fighting and bickering, why not do something about it?
If you hate the Ashan world, get a group of like-minded people together and make your own Heroes game.
With Kickstarter, and a large group of fans who want their "version" of Might and Magic, it won't be too difficult.
So summon your forces and make your own game. You won't be able to call it Might and Magic due to obvious legal reasons, but you can nevertheless create a "spiritual successor".
You seem to be forgetting Ubi holds the rights. So if the users create a game that could be considered as official, they can just sue people. A similar case where one wanted to call a game called Fallout, but a publishing studio wouldn't let him and he had to rename the game.
So no, it is not easy as it sounds.
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sblister
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posted August 05, 2015 05:33 PM |
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verriker said:
sblister said:
Instead of fighting and bickering, why not do something about it?
If you hate the Ashan world, get a group of like-minded people together and make your own Heroes game.
With Kickstarter, and a large group of fans who want their "version" of Might and Magic, it won't be too difficult.
So summon your forces and make your own game. You won't be able to call it Might and Magic due to obvious legal reasons, but you can nevertheless create a "spiritual successor".
sorry I think most users here care about the welfare of the Might and Magic IP, people are invested in shaping Might and Magic itself into a franchise of high quality again, not interested in a shadow clone version of it lol
it's like saying if you didn't like the Star Wars prequels you can go and make your own Star Wars prequel and call it Space Brawls, that is obviously not a very practical or useful piece of advice lol, what would be practical is to exercise the democratic right of expressing disappointment and work towards a better product next time lol
equally if Ubisoft has a vision generally felt to be incompatible with Might and Magic (or no vision as Erwin would put it), they should have been the ones to apply that to their own game, not the fanbase lol
Its as simple as this. Ubisoft has their fans. Those people love the Ashan universe. All the old fans seem to do is complain. They get nothing done.
Ubisoft has enough customers to make their "vision" profitable. So if the "old fans" are going to do nothing but bellyache, might as well go elsewhere. Because no one's listening. And their boycotts do nothing to stop the ubisoft might and magic juggernaut that is going to steamroll all over the lizardmen fortress and reoccupy them with dwarves, if you get my drift.
ps-why do you add lol at the end of all your sentences? Are your fingers not well?
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sblister
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posted August 05, 2015 05:37 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
sblister said:
Instead of fighting and bickering, why not do something about it?
If you hate the Ashan world, get a group of like-minded people together and make your own Heroes game.
With Kickstarter, and a large group of fans who want their "version" of Might and Magic, it won't be too difficult.
So summon your forces and make your own game. You won't be able to call it Might and Magic due to obvious legal reasons, but you can nevertheless create a "spiritual successor".
You seem to be forgetting Ubi holds the rights. So if the users create a game that could be considered as official, they can just sue people. A similar case where one wanted to call a game called Fallout, but a publishing studio wouldn't let him and he had to rename the game.
So no, it is not easy as it sounds.
If you re-read my post, I did say you can't call it Might and Magic. Meaning I know Ubi has the rights.
If the old fanbase wants to make a new game, they're going to have to call it something else. and it has to be very different from everything there is.
A bunch of people at Subterranean games did exactly that when there was no new Dungeon Keeper game in sight and decided to make War for the Overworld, which came out earlier this year.
So the best option for those who want a new "Might and Magic III" is to join forces and make one.
Its very easy.
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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 05, 2015 05:56 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 18:06, 05 Aug 2015.
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sblister said:
Its as simple as this. Ubisoft has their fans. Those people love the Ashan universe. All the old fans seem to do is complain. They get nothing done.
Ubisoft has enough customers to make their "vision" profitable. So if the "old fans" are going to do nothing but bellyache, might as well go elsewhere. Because no one's listening. And their boycotts do nothing to stop the ubisoft might and magic juggernaut that is going to steamroll all over the lizardmen fortress and reoccupy them with dwarves, if you get my drift.
ps-why do you add lol at the end of all your sentences? Are your fingers not well?
uh, complaining gets nothing done? what planet are you on dude, complaining is according to Ubisoft the reason why Heroes 7 brings back 7 resources, unique Necropolis models, random skills (albeit really bad ones lol), minimal DRM, no color coding, and many more
and when people stopped complaining about Heroes 5 and started to really enjoy it, what did Ubi do but turn everything upside down with the trash Heroes 6 lol
complaining and pressure is the only thing getting anything good done lol, not for the sake of complaining but to actually improve the game, so patience my skeptical young padawan, Ashan wasn't burned in flames in a day, but either they account for complaints and deliver a high quality game or the investors will more than likely come calling soon lol
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If you re-read my post, I did say you can't call it Might and Magic. Meaning I know Ubi has the rights.
If the old fanbase wants to make a new game, they're going to have to call it something else. and it has to be very different from everything there is.
A bunch of people at Subterranean games did exactly that when there was no new Dungeon Keeper game in sight and decided to make War for the Overworld, which came out earlier this year.
So the best option for those who want a new "Might and Magic III" is to join forces and make one.
Its very easy.
by the way I honestly think you must be joking here by saying something like War of the Overworld is very easy to make,
did you follow the development of WotO, do you have any idea how difficult it is for an unproven fan team to run and manage a successful Kickstarter campaign of a beloved legacy series without rights, that is a strategy game all its own that requires incredible talent and planning, it is actually a freaking herculean achievement those guys and the Dungeon Keeper team too accomplished, please don't trivialize it like that lol
also nobody is asking for a new Might and Magic III that I can see, why would anyone ask for that lol
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posted August 05, 2015 06:57 PM |
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verriker said:
uh, complaining gets nothing done? what planet are you on dude, complaining is according to Ubisoft the reason why Heroes 7 brings back 7 resources, unique Necropolis models, random skills (albeit really bad ones lol), minimal DRM, no color coding, and many more
The complaints "fixed" that you mentioned are trivial. I couldn't care less about the 7 resources, using H6 Necro models was fine, the skill system in H7 looks like crap, how bout no DRM...
The biggest complaints about H7, for me, was horrendous storyline, terrible campaign dialogue and voice acting, utterly idiotic fixation for Haven and having each of the factions Heroes during campaign be humans, lazy naming of creatures, broken combat system.
Looking at the previews of H7 so far, none of these got fixed.
The creatures are lazily and stupidly named...
Gnoll Hunter (when Hunter is an iconic Sylvan creature) instead of Gnoll Poacher, Prowler, etc.
Abbot and Chaplain? Really?
Silverback? Isn't that a gorilla?
Grim Rider and Grim Reaper? Rider? No other names available like revenant or wraith?
Swordbearer!!! Disciple and Acolyte for an elite unit!!!
Creatures have less abilities than the last one, cuz its easier for them to balance the game. So the game gets dumbed down.
Spells are limited and boring.
Town buildings are stupidly name and too numerous to list out.
People complain about Lizard faction... didn't get introduced.
People complain about 3d townscreen... nothing got done.
So yeah, small things got introduced, big things didn't.
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and when people stopped complaining about Heroes 5 and started to really enjoy it, what did Ubi do but turn everything upside down with the trash Heroes 6 lol
complaining and pressure is the only thing getting anything good done lol, not for the sake of complaining but to actually improve the game, so patience my skeptical young padawan, Ashan wasn't burned in flames in a day, but either they account for complaints and deliver a high quality game or the investors will more than likely come calling soon lol
No one is going to come complaining because they already have a new fanbase. They've bought in. They'll be spending their money. H7 will make a profit.
Old fans get nothing for all their complaining. I'm not in either group. There are aspects of both game I enjoy.
I just see a lot of complaining and not a lot of getting things done.
verriker said:
by the way I honestly think you must be joking here by saying something like War of the Overworld is very easy to make,
did you follow the development of WotO, do you have any idea how difficult it is for an unproven fan team to run and manage a successful Kickstarter campaign of a beloved legacy series without rights, that is a strategy game all its own that requires incredible talent and planning, it is actually a freaking herculean achievement those guys and the Dungeon Keeper team too accomplished, please don't trivialize it like that lol
also nobody is asking for a new Might and Magic III that I can see, why would anyone ask for that lol
You must need new glasses. I didn't write it was easy to make. I said its easy to get together and get funding if you want to make a game. Of course it takes talent and hardwork but its soooo much more easier to make games nowadays than before. But you wouldn't know anything about that now, would you?
Again, you talk about things you no nothing about. I helped kickstart that game. Saw its development from an idea into a fullblown game. My idea for the UI was used in the final product. I know exactly how much work those guys put in. I helped spread the word by writing a newspaper article about the game. So don't sit in you lazy chair and tell me I'm trivializing it.
There are so many people waxing fantastic about MM3 being the best game. It wasn't. H5 was way superior. And there a lot of people wanting to burn Ashan to the ground and go back to that universe. Open your eyes man.
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sblister said:
The complaints "fixed" that you mentioned are trivial. I couldn't care less about the 7 resources, using H6 Necro models was fine, the skill system in H7 looks like crap, how bout no DRM...
The biggest complaints about H7, for me, was horrendous storyline, terrible campaign dialogue and voice acting, utterly idiotic fixation for Haven and having each of the factions Heroes during campaign be humans, lazy naming of creatures, broken combat system.
one man's trivia is another man's treasure, your issues are of course valid in their own right, but from my perspective any step against the Heroes 6 dumbed down economy system, awful skill tree, and ultra dumb Ashan Necropolis concept is despite being one step forward after Ubi took ten steps backward in H6, still a step forward lol
either way, the fanbase at Shadow Council were all in tune and mobilized against these things as they were given, so no purpose to sit in the lazy chair yourself and proclaim that people are not doing anything, they are lol
sblister said:
No one is going to come complaining because they already have a new fanbase. They've bought in. They'll be spending their money. H7 will make a profit.
Old fans get nothing for all their complaining. I'm not in either group. There are aspects of both game I enjoy.
I just see a lot of complaining and not a lot of getting things done.
possible but that remains to be seen lol, I didn't see anyone boast of great profits from the most recent project Might and Magic 10, what I do see is a very low budget game from a cheap developer with a tight deadline and lots of shady attempts to make people preorder it on what little good faith is left out there, you might not be blamed for wondering whether or not Team Erwin has been asked to shape up or ship out lol
it probably will make a profit only because its budget is like two cents and a piece of string lol
either way whether anything gets done or not will not influence my practice of giving feedback and probably not other "old fans" either, Ubisoft will be given all the positive praise or negative complaints in the world if we think it is warranted whether someone likes it or not, not only because they deserve it and literally asked for it, but simply because that is the way discussion forums tend to work lol
sblister said:
You must need new glasses. I didn't write it was easy to make.
"So the best option for those who want a new "Might and Magic III" is to join forces and make one. Its very easy."
lol
sblister said:
There are so many people waxing fantastic about MM3 being the best game. It wasn't. H5 was way superior. And there a lot of people wanting to burn Ashan to the ground and go back to that universe. Open your eyes man.
I must not have gotten a memo from the Space Pope of the new universal truth that Heroes 5 is objectively the best game and way superior to "MM3", I will keep that in mind and be sure not to have an opinion of my own anytime soon though, cheers lol
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