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posted October 24, 2015 06:07 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
If they come to Europe, they must respect the laws of the countries they are moving into, like everyone else. The problem, as we all see, comes when they don't.
It's fairly simple without any ideology discussion.
This. 
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted October 24, 2015 07:46 PM |
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It's not even that, the reason the Hungarian government and people are so pissed off is the attitude of the refugees (actually they're all technically asylum seekers, you don't become an official refugee till you recieved asylum: Source- some EU dude whose public lecture I attended). They make demands and expect to be treated to all sorts of privileges, bunch of ingrates. Of course not all are like that, but a clear line has to be drawn between real asylum seekers and economic migrants, right now only Hungary has really done so, forcing everyone to adhere to proper EU laws and regulations rather then letting them stampede over us.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 24, 2015 07:48 PM |
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Which is why your country's government has my respect.
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Herry
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posted October 30, 2015 08:37 AM |
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Also, you guys will never find a solution like this. You'll have to pick: Turn down people for your own people or allow them with risks. That's it. It's that simple, you have to pick. If you're unsure, toss a coin, you'll know what you want when it's in mid-air, just know that trying to satisfy everyone is like trying to get a valid result out of splitting something on 0.
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posted October 30, 2015 09:58 AM |
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own people must always come first. not some "refugees".
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 30, 2015 10:48 PM |
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Kipshasz said:
own people must always come first. not some "refugees".
Agreed. But some *cough* politicians don't share this view.
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posted October 30, 2015 11:05 PM |
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esspecially those from the Eastern Bloc. As usual, Hungary is the first "delinquent". Our politicians are trying to scare us with Orban, as they're trying to do with Putin(Russia is behind this crisis, some say)
I may be wrong here, but I guess that the governments of the "baltic fascists" are the biggest supporters of "refugee" "integration", along with may be Romania.
A bit of history:
Tatars live in the former teritory of the Grand Duchy for more than 600 years. They are sunni muslims. these people(I have Lipka tatar roots myself) gave up a lot of their traditions, poligamy included as to not "piss off the locals". And during those 600+ years the tatars along with some other minorities built and died for this country of mine. During the Interwar, we even had specific companies in the army for them(you know, a jewish company, a tatar comapny etc...)
now the people storming the EU borders will never do such things. just look at their behaviour. even animals don't act this way. It's disgusting. with all the money and food the charitable organisations waste on helping them, they could've helped the local needy people.
If I was for say a refugee, I'd be grateful for whatever I get. They're just economic migrants, and using the term refugee is an insult to real refugees. And I'm pretty sure they never even read the Koran in the first place and are only muslim "on paper".
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posted October 31, 2015 12:06 AM |
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Kipshasz said:
I'm pretty sure they never even read the Koran in the first place and are only muslim "on paper".
I would feel much safer if I tought this to be true.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 31, 2015 12:06 AM |
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It's not like we are a rich country or anything. The rich are very rich, but as usual the rich are just a small group, an elite. So we help refugees to be, I don't know, about as unhappy as we are? 
Nevermind how many of those people are in no way interested in integrating in our societies. I don't think, however, that the politicians are not aware of this, they act in spite of that. 
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posted November 04, 2015 09:44 AM |
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The Hungarian parliament rejected the EU plan for mandatory allocation quotas for the refugees. Slovakia will probably do the same shortly, as will the Czech Republic. At the same time Germany declared that they will accept only "real refugees" but it's unclear how are they going to distinguish them from the fake ones.
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posted November 04, 2015 12:22 PM |
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It was very interesting for Orba'n talk about the relationship between cultures as if it were like fire and water, Locke made a similar point but with him it was on religion. When you have two dominating cultures in one, with neither being inherently good or bad, but they will still try to put one another out, this has been the issue with Britain, there is no "standard" to adhere to unlike in Hungary. The idiot PM thinks that a rule of law and democracy is British values in a nutt-shell, the hell thus that mean? Every other country on the damn continent has those values lol, that is not what it means to be British. To be a Brit you must either act like an arrogant prick if you're rich and have some political authority, or if you're a member of the lower classes you have to be able to be satirical or at least find satire to be deeply amusing.
Back to the point, England is a mish-mash of multiculturism without a standard and laws there to keep some of the more radical groups from clashing. In Hungary it's different, Orba'n knows that such a huge influx of migrants is simply too much for the state to integrate or to accomodate without it causing a clash of civilisations, and frankly, charity and aid should only ever be afforded if you yourself are healthy and able and by CHOICE. Not to mention the Asylum seekers in Hungary due to the actions of what I believe to be a minority (idk how many economic migrants to refugee ratio there is) are definately not incurring any sympathy.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 08, 2015 08:29 AM |
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As I said, refugees or plain immigrants, whoever they are, need to be integrated and not to have a special status forever and be allowed to break the laws of the state.
But some say this viewpoint is not okay. I say the current viewpoint of the EU is not okay. But I also can't change theirs and they can't change mine. 
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Herry
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posted November 13, 2015 07:43 PM |
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posted November 13, 2015 08:08 PM |
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Russia is not the EU. So, respect for this quote but... not effectual in the rest.
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Salamandre
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posted November 13, 2015 09:31 PM |
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There is one thing there which is very important to underline: no country needs minorities, but minorities need that country. This is exactly the reason I immigrated, I needed the France.
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artu
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posted November 13, 2015 09:48 PM |
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You can say they dont need minorities specifically from this or that region but many European countries actually need immigrants, their local population is decreasing and with average life-span getting longer and longer because of better nutrition and medics, it results in a demographical imbalance where there are too many senior citizens with retirement checks and wellfare support, yet no young labour to keep the economy pumping enough blood to support it.
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Salamandre
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posted November 13, 2015 10:01 PM |
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This is a vicious circle and the everyday politics discourse. You need now, you will need more tomorrow and much more after tomorrow, then the identity is lost because everyone knows Africa immigrants have a higher natality. We must find another solution.
Japan has also the problem you relate, yet they don't allow immigrants, they just work more. Then France receives 250k immigrants per year, yet the yearly economical growth value is 0,2. So the relation immigrants/economy is a humbug, with that value we should be living in a paradise already.
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posted November 13, 2015 10:45 PM |
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true that. the u.s. should be heaven by now, because immigrants are nearly the entire population. 
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artu
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posted November 14, 2015 12:05 AM |
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Salamandre said:
This is a vicious circle and the everyday politics discourse. You need now, you will need more tomorrow and much more after tomorrow, then the identity is lost because everyone knows Africa immigrants have a higher natality. We must find another solution.
Japan has also the problem you relate, yet they don't allow immigrants, they just work more. Then France receives 250k immigrants per year, yet the yearly economical growth value is 0,2. So the relation immigrants/economy is a humbug, with that value we should be living in a paradise already.
It's perfectly reasonable to seek other solutions, but short-termed or not, this is also considered one by your governments, so taking in immigrants is not just an act of nobility and saying "they are the ones who need us" is not exactly looking at the whole picture.
Btw, some shooting(s) were reported from France again, just recently, I wonder if it has anything to do with all of this again.
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Salamandre
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posted November 14, 2015 12:10 AM |
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40 dead, 100 hostages, several simultaneous attacks a dozens of minutes ago.
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