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posted February 15, 2018 04:43 PM |
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Minion said:
Yet I don't blame Trump, no President has been able to push ANY gun laws that I can remember.
bill clinton pushed two: the brady bill and the federal assault weapons ban.
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posted February 15, 2018 04:52 PM |
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@fred
They say this is the 29th mass shooting in the U.S. in 2018 and it's like only 45 days or so since we're in 2018. It is an actual problem. I'm sure people didnt have automatic rifles available to angsty teens in mind, back in 18th Century when they were writing the Constitution. Also, blizz explained in detail on this thread how people didn't interpret gun ownership rights the way they do, before NRA propaganda (which you repeat.) Even back in the 1960's you were much closer to rest of the world. Social circumstances change, technology changes, and laws adapt.
U.S. is not the most crowded country in the world, and people are not shooting each other for they lack food because of overpopulation. So how you link such a unique American phenomenon to such reasons is beyond me. U.S. is not the only country that provides legal rights to gun ownership either, regulations dont necessarily mean outlawing all gun ownership.
@Sal
Let's say your details are more accurate, does this change the essence of the dynamic. NRA finances politics, politics disregard the justified demands of a huge portion of the public. A leftist diagnosis which puts this as a flaw of capitalism will be accurate.
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posted February 15, 2018 04:55 PM |
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What do you think about those laws btw? NRA opposed them both. The assault weapons ban expired 2004 so is no longer in effect.
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posted February 15, 2018 05:03 PM |
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artu said:
U.S. is not the most crowded country in the world, and people are not shooting each other for they lack food because of overpopulation. So how you link such a unique American phenomenon to such reasons is beyond me. U.S. is not the only country that provides legal rights to gun ownership either, regulations dont necessarily mean outlawing all gun ownership.
come on, man. i was referring to the hormones in food creating hostility, not the shortage of food. that should have been clear to anyone reading that.
and, i never said i was against gun regulation at all. for instance, i also think procreating should be regulated. everything needs balance; and i'm absolutely in favor of balance.
not everyone needs to be allowed to procreate/drive/own guns/be a politician, etc.
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posted February 15, 2018 05:07 PM |
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Yes, that part is clear of course but you also talk about overpopulation, mass shootings occuring because of overpopulation would indicate people killing for resources, food being the first that comes to mind.
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posted February 15, 2018 05:07 PM |
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fred79 said:
...they just get more press.
say like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxlLO2zMYKQ
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posted February 15, 2018 05:09 PM |
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artu said:
I'm sure people didnt have automatic rifles available to angsty teens in mind, back in 18th Century when they were writing the Constitution.
I suspect they didn't even have the concept: "a teenager", back then. 
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posted February 15, 2018 05:18 PM |
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Nope, you were usually already married at 16-17 in most situations. Checking etymology dictionaries is also very helpful in getting clues about when people start to conceptualize something new, such as:
teenager (n.)
also teen ager, teen-ager; 1922, derived noun from teenage (q.v.). The earlier word for this was teener, attested in American English from 1894, and teen had been used as a noun to mean "teen-aged person" in 1818, though this was not common before 20c.
@Markkur
That was a funny link.
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posted February 15, 2018 05:28 PM |
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NRA finances politics, politics disregard the justified demands of a huge portion of the public.
This doesn't mean politics pro-gun are emphasized or depending on NRA funding one or another - NRA is just a lobby among many others, there were both democrat and republican POTUS in the last 30 years, yet there are no notable improvements. Hard to question a second amendment, especially when there are several hundred millions already owned weapons.
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posted February 15, 2018 05:41 PM |
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It's not hard to regulate it if you really intend to. And I'm not talking about the Democrat or the Republican Party but rather about the system itself.
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posted February 15, 2018 06:03 PM |
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artu said:
Yes, that part is clear of course but you also talk about overpopulation, mass shootings occuring because of overpopulation would indicate people killing for resources, food being the first that comes to mind.
that's not what i meant. ever get stuck in traffic? does it make you more peaceful, or more hostile? i know it makes ME wish for less people, or just people living somewhere else; at the very least. not able to get a job, while you see so many aroud you with one; especially people who suck at/shouldn't have/don't care about their jobs? ever wait in a really long line for food? ever wonder why you have to compete against so many people for whatever? that's the frustration and hopelessness you get with overpopulation, and that's only a mental aspect. think of what each person on earth represents to the ecosystems(human or natural), and the pressures the more people are faced with in an ever-growing society, and you'll start to get the gist.
there's a lot of pressure on people these days; they're finding themselves more and more boxed in to a society or lifestyle, governed by people that they don't want, and pushed around by the mainstream bullies of society to conform to what they could(and in reality, should) quite easily hate. and, they're allowed to say less and less about it, because of social pressures/societal evolution to be more "accepting". that's a key word, "accepting". what are people forced to accept? allowed to accept?.
think about this: when was the last time you heard anything addressed in the mainstream media, regarding overpopulation?
as long as you don't understand where these mass-killers are coming from, you're not going to be able to stop them; or even their growing prevalence in society.
and again, like i said, they aren't even the nut of gun violence. not even close.
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posted February 15, 2018 06:36 PM |
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I have to agree with Fred here. Overpopulation in *any* species - not just humans - leads to violent outbursts, unless the population is strictly controlled. Overpopulation is usually regionally based, as you might find overcrowded cities in a country, while an hour drive away you might have villages with ample space for everyone.
Overcrowding strangely leads to isolation, to alienation of individuals with respect to the society they're part of. It's no surprise that "social media" are so popular, because it's an expression of the need to have meaning instead of being a nobody that everyone walks around and ignores. There are lots of research results regarding psychological health and welfare with respect to population density.
Of course, this is not the only reason why these mass shootings occur. Weapon availability does help, but aren't the only reason. Ease of weapon acquisition only makes it easier for these excesses to occur.
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posted February 15, 2018 06:52 PM |
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even if they don't have guns, people who want to kill are going to find a method to do so. look at the stabbings and vehicle attacks in europe. blaming the tool that someone uses to do something is retarded, no matter how many times that tool may be used. think about all the killings before guns were even invented; were people trying to ban swords because of it? how about bows and arrows? it's funny to think so, but i doubt it. it's because human beings don't like their "i'm human so i'm important and special" bubble popped. they'd rather live in fairy tale land(this piece of paper is worth something, justice prevails, our vote counts, our leaders have our best interests in mind, taxes and death are the only sure things in life, guns are evil, rock music leads to suicide and murder and is a tool of the devil, etc) than face reality: the issue is THEM. pollution, overpopulation, suicide, murder, wiping out entire forests and ecosystems, wiping out entire species, you name it. the answer is simply "humans".
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posted February 15, 2018 06:56 PM |
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Maybe, but looks like some kind of weapons allows much easier mass slaughtering than others. I am no expert, but shouldn't be automatic weapons strictly controlled (as they are in some states)?
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posted February 15, 2018 07:00 PM |
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Exactly, this is why this topic is called mass shootings in India.
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posted February 15, 2018 07:19 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Maybe, but looks like some kind of weapons allows much easier mass slaughtering than others. I am no expert, but shouldn't be automatic weapons strictly controlled (as they are in some states)?
the term "automatic weapons" is frequently used by those who place blame on guns and are trying to ban them. automatic weapons are illegal. semi-automatic weapons(which is what the gunman used) are legal.
besides the fact, it doesn't matter if they were automatic or not; because automatic weapon fire is proven to be less accurate than semi-automatic. bolt-action rifles are even more accurate than semi-automatic. bombs/trucks/poisons take out a lot of people at once. there's a thousand and one ways to kill someone. if somebody wants somebody else dead, they're going to use what they have at their disposal, regardless.
the anti-gun argument is foolhardy. what needs to be fixed, if you want people to stop killing one another, is to find out WHY they are killing one another. as long as nobody cares about the WHY, the HOW is immaterial.
besides the fact, that as long as nobody's curbing the population growth, there're going to be more killings regardless. especially when society has it's own head so far up it's ass that it's not progressing towards any real benevolent and peaceful society; but rather, the opposite.
edit: cut some content, as i'm just going off-topic. might need to create a new topic?
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posted February 15, 2018 07:29 PM |
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artu said:
@Markkur
That was a funny link.
Yeah, once upon a time I used to chuckle.
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posted February 15, 2018 07:35 PM |
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i somehow missed that video. it doesn't get any clearer than that, how the media are controlled.
except maybe, for everything they've said/are saying, and how many people and networks are involved in, the anti-trump stuff. i mean, really. trump's vermin, but he's far from the ONLY vermin to be going after. it's clear there's an agenda, and it's clear who's controlling that agenda.
of course, not everyone is going to want to believe that, markkur. which is why artu found that funny, instead of extremely disconcerting.
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posted February 15, 2018 07:54 PM |
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fred79 said:
...found that funny, instead of extremely disconcerting.
But I did the very same years ago. idk, before my time, somewhere along the evolution of entertainment...comedy and politics slowly began to merge. Followed today by all the corruptions of media we have now.
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posted February 15, 2018 08:11 PM |
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you need the care more than i do. i've been living on borrowed time for more than a decade. 
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