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posted February 16, 2018 03:18 AM |
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Yes, fred. That can be said about all criminal behavior, even about all behavior to most degree. What I'm saying is overpopulation and people feeling suffocated by the crowds doesn't seem to be one of the parameters when it comes to these mass shootings. The shooters are alienated individuals of course but they are not alienated because of overpopulation.
so you're saying, you've never felt alone when surrounded by people? that the people around you directly correlate to your feelings by their physical presence ONLY? wrong, dude.
oh, you added the last part before i had a chance to read it. caught yourself, lol.
none of them will be motivated by overpopulation strictly, no. most of the spree killings have been motivated by more personal reasons, but i do think overpopulation is one of the reasons that subconsciously drives them. think about it, would you be fed up and go out to kill a bunch of people for whatever reason, if there were only 10 people in your town?
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posted February 16, 2018 03:22 AM |
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We're no longer human, ythose that strive for it are predators, the insane and the outlaws. We are sheep, it's comfortable and when your number comes up and you're intelligent enough, then perhaps you won't be surprised as all around you suffer severe bystander effect as you,re dragged off to be culled.
A collection of tightly grouped humans in residential areas somehow passses as a community. That alone speaks volumes of how are values have degraded.
We are surrounded but awfully alone.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:32 AM |
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fred79 said:
so you're saying, you've never felt alone when surrounded by people? that the people around you directly correlate to your feelings by their physical presence ONLY? wrong, dude.
oh, you added the last part before i had a chance to read it. caught yourself, lol.
none of them will be motivated by overpopulation strictly, no. most of the spree killings have been motivated by more personal reasons, but i do think overpopulation is one of the reasons that subconsciously drives them. think about it, would you be fed up and go out to kill a bunch of people for whatever reason, if there was only 10 people in your town?
Well, that is a very typical type of alienation that is the result of modern urban life. People are less connected, you don't know your neighbors, etc. But "overpopulation" is not the correct term for that, a moderately populated city will still have the same effect, yet a very crowded village where everyone knows each other wont. As Freud says, "neurosis is the price for civilization" but that's inevitable to a degree.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:34 AM |
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@ artu: the big cities have nearly all of the gang-related gun violence. the spree killings are for those mostly outside the big cities, because they feel left out.
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posted February 16, 2018 09:34 AM |
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We should clear up some points.
1) Regulation isn't the same thing as prohibition. EVERYthing of doubtful effect and value is regulated in some way, and there is no reason whatsoever to NOT link weapon ownership with a license that an owner must have which might include mental health checks and so on.
2) As the name says, a semi-automatic assault rifle is no weapon for "self-defense", except in the event that you have a ranch which is invaded by a horde of thugs.
In that case, though, a grenade launcher would work even better, as would mining the premises.
Which means, there has to be a limit somewhere; as a civilian you cannot buy a tank, for example, not even arguing that it's safer to drive one than a car. And you don't see people running around with bow and arrow, claiming they do it for self-defense either.
I can understand a tradition. But for heaven's sake, a .22 caliber handgun is defensively powerful enough - if you CAN actually pull it on any attacker(s), it will do the trick fine, provided you got a license, which should mean that you can handle the thing and hit a target that comes at you, meaning to maim, rape, kill or burgle you.
3) Sure, mindset is important, and a nutcase will probably always find a way. But availability of "tools" is important as well. If atomic bombs were available - sure, all terrorists would have a field day. But there would also be the odd case of a guy wondering if the things REALLY had such a devastating effect. Opportunity DOES make thieves, you know.
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posted February 16, 2018 12:00 PM |
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Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed HJ Resolution 40, a bill that made it easier for people with mental illness to obtain guns. White House refuses to release that photo of Trump signing that bill.
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posted February 16, 2018 12:28 PM |
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The H.J.Res.40 was discriminatory, it not only failed to put into precise boundaries what we call "mental disease", but also put on that list, people with "subnormal intelligence", "incompetency condition" or "disease", by reporting their names to the NICS then create a list, where C is from Criminal.
Defining subnormal intelligence, incompetency condition or disease at the point you refuse them a constitutional right and qualify them as criminals is jumping backward for about 2 hundred years to slavery apologists. Look, I agree entirely that guns should have some legislation, but not this way.
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posted February 16, 2018 12:43 PM |
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EXACTLY that way - same way you get a driving license, actually. You have to pass a test (in Germany), proving that you know the rules and signs and how to behave, and with "subnormal intelligence" you will have difficulties to pass - which makes a lot of sense, come to think of it.
You are also forbidden to drive when you are under serious medication, and if you are under permanent medication you are not allowed to permanently.
There is nothing discriminatory about that. As it's not discriminatory to forbid CHILDREN the use of weapons, drive cars and so on. On the level it matters there isn't much difference.
Pilots are seriously tested as well - and if you fly, you don't want it any other way. In fact it's not even going far enough, when you consider how much actual power each police officer has.
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posted February 16, 2018 12:48 PM |
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Does Germany prohibit people with subnormal intelligence or "disease" of passing tests then communicate their names to a criminal agency? Also, is driving a constitutional right in Germany and clearly specified?
Because this was my point, just in case someone missed it.
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posted February 16, 2018 12:58 PM |
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the driver's test/instructors here are retarded. i passed on the first go(written and behind the wheel), and i parked crooked at the end. i should have failed, but it was pouring rain, and the instructor just wanted to get back inside his nice dry office. you wouldn't imagine the legions of dumbasses who have a license. and the laws were lax as all hell(i can't speak for current, because i don't know); there was a guy that had gotten 8-10(i forget which) dui's(driving while intoxicated), and he still had his license when he drove up into a yard behind my house, scooped a little kid up under the car, and dragged the kid down the street while he was drunk. it's enough to make you want to set people on fire.
and there are people who have failed that ridiculously easy driver's test more than 2 times, ffs. and they still eventually get a driver's license. that should have been the warning that they SHOULDN'T have a driver's license. if they made me a licensed driving instructor and gave me the absolute say-so, i'd never let anyone have a driver's license EVER, if they failed ONE time to use their turn signals. that snow's a pet peeve of mine, and so many people do it, it's ridiculous. the goddamn signal lever is literally RIGHT NEXT TO THE STEERING WHEEL, AND THEY STILL DON'T USE IT. 
they have a test for when you get your concealed handgun permit(and a federal background check), but not for when you purchase a gun(then, they only do a background check to see if you are a prior criminal who is unlawful to own a firearm).
and, there's no test for parenting/procreating. BIG mistake. massive waves of morons. think "world war z".
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posted February 16, 2018 02:09 PM |
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Despite preparations, no one was ready for what happened at Douglas High.
that's the headline of one of the stories surrounding the latest shooting. that no one was ready. despite having all sorts of fore-warnings. this guy had posted on social media that he was a professional school shooter, ffs. that, amid all the threats he made towards classmates and school employee's, should have let people know what could quite easily happen. and apparently, the school had already notified the fbi, and again, the fbi didn't help stop jack snow from happening. there's so many people that dropped the ball on this one, it's retarded.
not to mention, that all these media outlets KEEP GIVING THESE JACKASSES COVERAGE. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING THESE SPREE KILLERS CELEBRITIES?
but i forget who i'm ranting about. because they don't give a flying snow; they only want to keep spreading the terror narrative, seperate people, and keep their ratings/views up. they want an active audience, and for that, they need to post/televise snow like this. they did the same for the serial killers in the 70's and 80's.
you might as well make movies about these guys, ffs. oh wait, that's right; they did just that about the boston marathon bombing. and, they made that movie while people were still digging shrapnel out of each other.
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posted February 16, 2018 02:24 PM |
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if they stop reporting, you'll have half population thinking NRA payed medias to hide the truth. You can't identify and heal a disease if you hide the symptoms.
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posted February 16, 2018 02:36 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Does Germany prohibit people with subnormal intelligence or "disease" of passing tests then communicate their names to a criminal agency? Also, is driving a constitutional right in Germany and clearly specified?
Because this was my point, just in case someone missed it.
The rule added people to the national background database people (receiving Social Security checks) who are unfit to even handle their own financial affairs due to yes "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease."
Look I was in the military, and there was this guy who clearly didn't understand what he was doing. At one point he pointed a loaded gun to several people and he didn't even understand that could have killed people. He was discharged for "subnormal intelligence", a mild form of retardation perhaps I don't know. But people like that don't need licenses for guns.
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posted February 16, 2018 02:41 PM |
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No, opportunity merely reveals a thief, a take which is inline with british legal thinking concerning the psychologocal elements of crime.
As for the distinction between prohabition and control is obvious. What's not so obvious is which does the anti-gun lobby want (more specifically their adherants). Like the interviews all day all they talked about is how evil guns are and he never should've had access to it. But even with gun control (depending on type) it's a safe assumption that he could've still had access to a firearm.
They now have cheap attachments for semi automatic rifles as well that uses the barrels recoil to make it full auto in practice, which is legal despite a ban on full autos in a few states.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:28 PM |
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you can bump-fire with any semi-automatic rifle, if you hold it loosely/incorrectly. my niece did that with my old sks when i took her to a range for the first time years ago. i was confused, because i didn't know you could do that. my uncle(who was with us at the time) explained to me what happened, and then when i heard about bump-fire stocks after the vegas shooting, i only shook my head and asked "why?". bump-fire stocks essentially turn a legal semi-automatic rifle into an legal(why tf is this legal?) automatic version, because it acts like an automatic weapon; as long as you hold the trigger, it fires. which is both a waste of ammo, and much less accurate. unless you're firing into a crowd, i guess. which is why i don't see a reason why they'd be legal, at all. you don't need an automatic weapon to hunt or to defend yourself. automatic weapons are for suppression/cover fire; or for defending against/killing large groups of people. i don't believe any civilian needs them, much less should have them. even our military doesn't strictly use automatic rifles, but only 3-round burst; IF needed. sure, they have fully automatic weapons, but they're for gunners and are specifically for fire superiority; not to mention, they weigh a lot more than your typical ar(and subsequently, because you have an automatic weapon, you have to carry more ammo for larger magazines). meaning, joe blow on the corner would look pretty conspicuous, standing around with all that weight. it'd be easy to take that joe blow out with a pistol, which makes the whole automatic rifle/automatic add-on options thing pretty ridiculous, indeed.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:32 PM |
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not to mention, they weigh a lot more than your typical ar
Fully auto weapons are lighter than semi-auto, they actually need less parts for that.
But kinda pointless difference regardless because we're talking differences in tens of grams.
There's also no need for more ammo or larger magazines. This comes down to your usage of the weapon, not the capability.
There's also some extra uses for automatics like more effective range(in case of machine guns,) stealth(the echo of multiple rounds fired mixing makes determining location of shooter harder,) more effect on target(this is how all PDW like P90 are designed to work,) target illumination(tracer trails) and probably a bunch of others I'm forgetting.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:39 PM |
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i'm referring to rifles vs handheld machine guns. ar's weigh a lot less than an m-249; especially considering the amount/magazines of ammo. these two even take the same ammo.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:42 PM |
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You are talking about two different weapons designed for two different purposes, not about semi-auto and full auto version of the same gun. Like comparing 4x4 G-series Mercedes to A-series and saying 4 wheel drive weighs more.
Full-auto only M249 weighs less than a semi-auto M249. Same thing goes for AKM, AR-15, whatever. But like I said, it's usually one part in the trigger group and that's in tens of grams so pretty irrelevant.
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posted February 16, 2018 03:46 PM |
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huh, i didn't know they made semi-auto m-249's available to the public. at a price tag of 8 grand, most people won't be picking them up, anyway.
lol, they've been making a lot of advances in the firearm sector since i've stopped having the cash to bother paying attention to it all.
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