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posted February 18, 2016 08:37 PM |
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fred79 said:
windows 10 should be boycotted by everyone. might as well let everyone read and watch whatever you do on your computer, and feel free to stop you from using the internet if you do anything even slightly questionable. who tf cares if it's faster by seconds, you're talking about intrusion on your personal life. and this is just ONE STEP CLOSER to how they can have absolute control over everyone.
Isn't that just like Heroes VII? In a sense that you can release a product with questionable content, yet still someone will come across and still accept the offer.
Of course, Windows 10 is free, for a while. Fortunately, I am satisfied with 7, even.
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posted February 18, 2016 08:43 PM |
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Galaad said:
Zenofex said:
Linux is not as convenient to use at home as Windows
Is just a matter of getting the grip of it. I'm not a very advanced Linux user but I can do without problem all the things I would do on Windows on a daily basis, only difference is that my system is spywares-free and well secured, will always stay fast, never crash and no weird surprises. So once you have some basics, I'd say is more convenient to use at home. But granted, there is a few difficulties to overcome at first.
I'll just jump in  I'm a programmer and I've been using Linux for a long time, and of course, I love it . As for it not being convenient for usage at home, I'll just say that my girlfriend, who is completely average desktop user, installed Lubuntu distro on her own, and is using it for quite some time. The reson she switched from windows to linux was speed (she has an older laptop) and she is very pleased. Everything average user needs today on home pc exists in Linux.
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AlexSpl
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posted February 18, 2016 08:46 PM |
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Of course, Windows 10 is free, for a while.
It isn't free. I don't see any notification in my Windows XP.
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AlexSpl
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posted February 18, 2016 08:52 PM |
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Well, I tested boot times. When shut down completely Win10 boots up no faster than Win 7. And you may be familiar with bugs caused by hibernation.
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frostymuaddib
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posted February 18, 2016 09:16 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
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Of course, Windows 10 is free, for a while.
It isn't free. I don't see any notification in my Windows XP.
It is not free. It is only free upgrade from W7 and 8 to 10.
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Homer171
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posted February 19, 2016 03:32 AM |
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I would not update. It's harder to downgrade than upg. Few years and you need to change it anyhow, they stop making some java patches to older windows and you are left whit no choice. I use selective update on my laptop. As long, I can filter what/when something is updating no problem here.
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2016 09:01 AM |
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AlexSpl said:
Well, I tested boot times. When shut down completely Win10 boots up no faster than Win 7. And you may be familiar with bugs caused by hibernation.
Do you use a laptop?
I'm using a standard desktop and Windows 10 is much faster. By much I mean easily 3-4 times. There's obviously no hibernation used, I shut that thing off and unplug it when going to bed.
Does it matter? well, yes. To me, at least. Due to RAM leaks in games I like to play (mostly older stuff) I need to reboot regularly if I don't want to run insane. Even with a fairly recent & powerful gaming rig those issues are as annoying as ever.
Ultimately, I think the whole "Win 10 sucks" crusade is quite overblown. Yes, there is some data leakage, but honestly, who cares? If a fat bureaucrat wants to see that I visit HC or that I type emails (in language he can't understand), let him. I'm pretty sure they have better things to do anyway, it's humanly impossible to track millions of users anyway. It's probably used as heuristic data which frankly I don't care about. I did block telemetry servers though but not because of irrational fear of being "tracked" ; I just don't like any bits of my internet connection to be wasted on useless crap.
As for linux, you won't launch a multitude of fantastic games from the 90s on it. There are emulators but in the end it's just emulated crap, with compatibility issues. Everything newer than what DOSbox (or its equivalents) can handle is a nightmare to run on linux, at least that was true back when I tried linux a good few years ago 
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fred79
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posted February 22, 2016 09:52 AM |
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Doomforge said:
Ultimately, I think the whole "Win 10 sucks" crusade is quite overblown. Yes, there is some data leakage, but honestly, who cares? If a fat bureaucrat wants to see that I visit HC or that I type emails (in language he can't understand), let him. I'm pretty sure they have better things to do anyway, it's humanly impossible to track millions of users anyway. It's probably used as heuristic data which frankly I don't care about. I did block telemetry servers though but not because of irrational fear of being "tracked" ; I just don't like any bits of my internet connection to be wasted on useless crap.
i'm positive that the information collected is run through servers and programs. all automated, for purposes of study and reference, until key words are found. that'll be when humans actually get involved. until then, everything is on record, to be USED AT THEIR DISPOSAL. that you feel big brother having access to your personal life is something to be easily looked over for the sake of speed or compatability, makes me worry. i don't think you're understanding the possibility of THEIR progress over control of YOU being made here.
information is power. information in manipulating hands can be used AGAINST YOU.
but sure, no big deal, right? it's not enough that they run every aspect of your life because they run every aspect of society, but you're handing them the information needed to continue doing it; and not only that, but with the help of the evolving information being taken, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE AHEAD OF YOU. this is one of the aspects of WHY THEY WILL ALWAYS WIN, and why every negative aspect of society that they control, will be something YOU(along with everyone else under them) will be forced to accept. this is the DIVIDE between them, and all of us.
information collecting, especially PERSONAL in nature, isn't something to be taken so LIGHTLY.
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2016 09:53 AM |
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Who's "them"...?
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fred79
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posted February 22, 2016 10:00 AM |
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really? THAT'S what you're focusing on? terminology? your skepticism is pointed in the wrong direction, i think.
do you know why i think that? because i'm not trying to get a look at your personal life. I have no interest in controlling you. the difference between the people who stay in power, and me, is that I WANT YOU TO BE FREE.
and they DON'T. they want you to play their game. and it looks like you haven't the slightest idea that you're playing it.
if your only focus is on me attempting to even understand who THEY actually are, then you're not going to understand my pov in the slightest; because you don't understand why I even BELIEVE in a "they".
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Zenofex
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posted February 22, 2016 10:14 AM |
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Doomforge said:
Who's "them"...?
NSA for example, it's not like there haven't been a dozen exposures of their activities in Internet in the last few years, including "tweaks" integrated in hardware and software of major vendors.
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in language he can't understand
In the times when even Google Translate can make a relatively adequate conversion from a language you don't understand to some that you do, this sounds incredibly naive.
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posted February 22, 2016 10:16 AM |
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@fred
Well, if you think there's some mystical "them" around, you first have to know who's "them". Otherwise, what exactly are you against? something you can't even define?
If you can't, I'll tell you who's "them": some part time students working for Microsoft to manage the heuristic data their telemetry servers collected in order to shape ads and such. Sca-ry. I frankly don't care too much about them seeing that I visit HC or that I send emails to my girlfriend from time to time
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In the times when even Google Translate can make a relatively adequate conversion from a language you don't understand to some that you do, this sounds incredibly naive.
It's even more naive to believe that there's some mastermind reading emails from one Polish nobody (me) to another. Among 200000 mails sent worldwide per minute, what makes mine worth the fuss, exactly?
Like I said, at best it's for basic telemetry, which means analizing some trends over millions of those things at once, and not going into details nobody cares about. And it's the details that matter for us, users.
I really don't care if their data shows that average user spends 30 minutes writing emails consisting of 40 words each and I'm not bothered by participating in such data collection.
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Zenofex
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posted February 22, 2016 10:23 AM |
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Scripts read much faster than humans. 
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2016 10:28 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Scripts read much faster than humans.
and can't do much more than cast trends or find keywords.
What do you expect them to do, exactly? create a cyber-mindcontrol device over the data they collected over emails and google talk?
This whole paranoia thing is highly injustified because by law, cellular providers are obliged to keep your sms and calls for a period of time (and they are also analyzed for critical data. yes, they are. Trust me.). Your ISP provider is also required to keep your full history and monitor your internet activity. Win10 "spying" is just a cherry on top. You can't use a computer and mobile phone without getting tracked and/or spied upon, period. If you can't get around this, why bother? In my opinion Win 10 became a scapegoat, of sort.
And of all the things that actually track you, Win10 is the easiest to manage by blocking access to their telemetry servers.
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Zenofex
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posted February 22, 2016 10:40 AM |
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I actually work as a network security engineer and probably know more than you who spies who and what are the methods to do that. The easiest is to have a careless end user who doesn't give a rat's arse about confidentiality or personal information at your disposal. And what people usually forget - and what you obviously forget - is that when you have billions of interconnected devices worldwide, it's never about just you. So you can be the harmless nobody as much as you want but through your carelessness others may get f***ed up, even by just zombifying your PC to maul some target across the Internet along with thousands of others. Your choice though, just kindly be moderate with "what's the fuss about" statements please.
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2016 10:45 AM |
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Well, sue me, but I totally don't care for part time students in Alabama reading my emails . Especially that there is absolutely no way to avoid it. You don't have to be an IT specialist to know the limitations of scripts filtering large volumes of data as well.
I worked in cellular business, by the way. With your attitude regarding getting spied upon, you should throw your mobile phone out the window. Trust me on this Compared to cellular spying, Win10 is a joke.
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Zenofex
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posted February 22, 2016 10:53 AM |
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If someone wants to spy on you or someone else through you, he'll probably find a way. That hardly means that you should make his or her work easier. Up to you anyway.
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Galaad
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posted February 22, 2016 11:08 AM |
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Doomforge said:
As for linux, you won't launch a multitude of fantastic games from the 90s on it. There are emulators but in the end it's just emulated crap, with compatibility issues. Everything newer than what DOSbox (or its equivalents) can handle is a nightmare to run on linux, at least that was true back when I tried linux a good few years ago
Of course you can run any fantastic game from the 90's on linux, using wine, which is NOT an emulator.
I understand Linux is not that easy at first but saying is a nightmare to handle is like saying homm3 AI is impossible to win at.
As for the "Win10 sucks crusade", I think is mainly a morale issue really, if you want to support MS and their bullcrap is your right ofc.
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2016 11:14 AM |
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Zenofex said:
If someone wants to spy on you or someone else through you, he'll probably find a way. That hardly means that you should make his or her work easier. Up to you anyway.
True, but you can still block Win10 spying.
Galaad said:
Of course you can run any fantastic game from the 90's on linux, using wine, which is NOT an emulator.
I have to admit that my knowledge about linux is a bit rusty at this point, so you might be right. Back in the days I tried it, it was a nightmare to make it work. I don't mean the difficulty, but the lack of compatibility.
There are also issues with laptop drivers on linux. For example, my ultrabook under Linux was getting stupidly warm, the touchpad was glitchy (lack of dedicated driver) and the fan was screaming all the time. Googling, I found out that it's a common issue on linux and that linux isn't the best idea for such machine.
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Galaad
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posted February 22, 2016 11:25 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 11:27, 22 Feb 2016.
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MS doesn't want you to use another OS than their own, so they have deals with manufacturers. Some laptops out there on the market are almost "anti-linux", coming with secure-boots or incompatible wifi cards in example.
A mature user who will want to use linux will be careful when buying a new laptop because of that, but will likely get a personalized computer and choose each piece of hardware himself.
However, is not like compatibility issues are impossible to deal with either, one of the best things about linux is that for any problem there is a fix, always.
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