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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 12, 2016 01:19 PM |
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 12, 2016 01:21 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 13:22, 12 May 2016.
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I've cleaned up the thread some.
Folks, let's cut the provocations, ok? Makes the forum for a nicer place to post  .
Edit: And in case you're wondering ... I couldn't actually delete posts from a thread where I have cast a vote  . Val will want to look at this  .
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted May 12, 2016 01:25 PM |
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Meh, it would have been so funny. 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 12, 2016 01:26 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
<Erwin edit>
Eh, oh ... Erwin has mod powers too? 
I wonder what he voted?
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 12, 2016 01:28 PM |
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Maurice said:
Eh, oh ... Erwin has God powers too?
FTFY 
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted May 12, 2016 11:47 PM |
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Maurice said:
I've cleaned up the thread some.
Folks, let's cut the provocations, ok? Makes the forum for a nicer place to post .
Edit: And in case you're wondering ... I couldn't actually delete posts from a thread where I have cast a vote . Val will want to look at this .
ah, sorry for spamming the thread, i just had a bad day and vented it off here(amongst oder places.. xD)
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agneslynd
Hired Hero
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posted May 13, 2016 12:54 AM |
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Numerical ratings without scale are pointless.
"I feel this game deserves a 5". Uh, okay.
This doesn't foster good discussion of the game's problems and achievements.
Besides, the game's not even done with development. How do you rate an incomplete game? With a 0?
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 13, 2016 01:04 AM |
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I guess you could see it in the same light as some of those questionaires you also get about public transportation and such, where you have to indicate how well you perceive aspects about it . The scale applied is inherently personal, but it's probably the only way they can measure anything about the publics' perception at all.
But yes, it misses the frame of reference, which is basically the personal standard.
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Blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted May 13, 2016 01:32 AM |
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agneslynd said:
Numerical ratings without scale are pointless.
That's why the numbers go from 1 to 10.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 13, 2016 01:46 AM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 01:48, 13 May 2016.
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agneslynd said:
Besides, the game's not even done with development. How do you rate an incomplete game? With a 0?
This does not stop the critics from rating the game, no? It's to rate the game in its current state, to see if it is worth playing or not. Since, at its release, Heroes VII had too many faults for many people.
Plus, the development cycle should is basically over. It's just that all what is coming after (patches) is, for some, what should've been done before the game was officially released.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 13, 2016 09:45 AM |
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agneslynd said:
Numerical ratings without scale are pointless.
"I feel this game deserves a 5". Uh, okay.
This doesn't foster good discussion of the game's problems and achievements.
Besides, the game's not even done with development. How do you rate an incomplete game? With a 0?
1-10 scale is fairly descriptive, should give a good idea how satisfied one is with a game. Which is more or less what the thread is about, discussions about pros and cons have been done to death in the H7 forum.
And of course you would rate an incomplete game. It has been released has it not? People have paid full price for said incomplete game, have they not? They are fully entitled to evaluate their money's worth. Also to give a clear message to the ones who are working on the game if they are not satisfied.
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted May 13, 2016 09:50 AM |
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Edited by Aionb at 09:54, 13 May 2016.
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agneslynd said:
Besides, the game's not even done with development. How do you rate an incomplete game? With a 0?
What do you charge for an incomplete game? 0 E/$?
(I wonder if next year, by this time, will we still hear this "mantra" of H7 being "incomplete/still in development". We are 9 months after release, people, what the heck? And it's not like Vivendi forced them to release it.)
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted May 13, 2016 12:02 PM |
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I think the way Ubisoft treats with this series, their behaviour to fans and the quality of the game after the release should be separated to the game itself as the final product we will hopefully sometimes get.
I judge the gameplay and some other elements (like story) and I see the perfect combination of different things in this game for me, in spite of various (especially technical) problems. Therefore I rated 9.
Ubi would get much worse rating as the publisher...
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 13, 2016 12:11 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Ubi would get much worse rating as the publisher...
IMO, Ubi needs to improve a lot just to be eligible for rating
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 13, 2016 12:20 PM |
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Seeing how this game was promoted for much more and in the process ended up for something much less than it was, i will take off 2 points from the score, because of publisher and developer credibility issues, fake promotion and creating hype that was diminished.
So, the Rating begins from 8/10.
Taking into account the state of the game and the any patching that came out but still maintained the game in a not polished state, i will subtract antoher 1 point.
-I shall include here the Skill and magic system that although not what we expected, it is better than Heroes VI and not so game destroying for me as many complain. OFC i am a very casual gamer and prefer the game to the easy or normal difficulty so, i can not be objective on the gravity of this matter. I would prefer an approach more closer to Heroes V/IV on skills and magic but i can make due with what we got, and supposedly the expansion will make it a bit better.
Thus, 7/10.
Now, the game in its current state right now is quite enjoyable if you are a casual gamer that you want a medium to easy difficulty and the stupid AI makes the game easier and quite predictable. But there are some issues that give you "What the &*(%?" or "why?" momments and those regard the AI. So for the AI in its current state, i must subtract another point.
We go down to 6/10.
The environement, the AI, the models are not all eye pleasing, neither are the sounds or the animations. Even to this point, some ability animations happen in a weird or unacceptable way, like units with pierce ability or The druid in particular using leaf daggers and facing the other way from the battlefield to execute the ability, or the kappa models not appearing in the game (yes, a friend of mine complained about that). SFX are also a downer and i do find some sounds weird, the music repedtitive and from some point it just dissapears instead of pulling you into the game and so on. So, i shall subtract another point from all these, because although they are gimmics and not as important, they do affect the overall expirience.
Falling further to 5/10.
So there you got it. 5/10
Some Side thoughts
I did give a great gravity to the rating of the game to the developers, publishers and producers, because they put a grat deal of money and gravity to promotion and hype and then ended up with a game that offered almost nothing to what they promised. Thus, a lying producer ending in an inadequate game impacts and affects the game and the consumers himself. This is a grave error and in some regards even a crime of misinformation.
The AI, is another grave mistake on the developing part because even for me that i play in easy and normal to see silly choices from the enemy AI, or being able to predict in quick combats how the AI thinks and what exact choices it will make to offer me losses that are unacceptable is a real nag, as i need to battle every single time, making the game for me taking much longer than what i need it to take.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted May 13, 2016 12:24 PM |
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Does AI cheat, btw?
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 13, 2016 12:26 PM |
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As far as i know, it doesn't cheat.
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filozof
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 15, 2016 09:08 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 22:31, 15 May 2016.
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cleglaw said:
frostymuaddib said:
Antalyan said:
(Datapack)
This perfectly reflects how some ratings are totally nonsensical 
How can you rate the game you do not own?
There are few ways how you can rate it. Play the beta (face it, H7 haven't changed that much from beta when it comes to gameplay and bugs), streams, videos and even patchnotes (the fact that AI gain ability to wait during combat in patch 1.8 speaks a lot and would influence my rating).
I'd give the game 1/10, but as I don't own it, I will not pollute the poll
typical troll rating.
1-no, you cant rate it if you didnt experienced it.
2-1.8 have nothing to do with beta.
3-naah feel free to do, this forum loves to bash h7 on daily basis. its somekind of masturbation.
4- those 1,2,3 are just here to drop rating avarage because they want to see it as low as possible even if they dont believe their own rating. (verriker having %36 steam review as signature)
I agree with this 100%
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Mageus
Hired Hero
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posted May 22, 2016 11:29 PM |
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I rated it 9.
Honestly it does not deseve that much considering all the bugs it still has but I gave it 9 nonetheless because I did not know how else factor the pleasure I had with it.
The first time I used the "tsunami" spell (sadly not that powerfull so I don't use it anymore :s) and saw that gigantic wave crushing the ennemies.
The fun I had experiencing the gnolls while they were OP (shot every time someone else attacked and with full range).
The wizards metamagic is a really nice way to experiment with the magic at first (a shame it did not work well back then).
The way the town is built : I love the way we choose which unit you favor and the five levels (core, strong core, elite, strong elite, legendary) even if I'd wish elite building would cost less.
The skillwheel is quite nice although I would wish the full range back in the attack tree somewhere.
As for the critics I don't need to write them, many did it before me
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