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Bragjul
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aka Titanu88
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posted July 28, 2017 08:04 AM |
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Galaad said:
lordgraa said:
Also btw I don't think diamond idols are affected by summon events.
I confirm this, diamond idols are not affected by summon events
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted July 28, 2017 10:39 AM |
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prpi said:
I strongly oppose the idea of a guarenteed legendary / 4-dot (legendary) in a multisummon. All these creatures are supposed to be ultra-rare. In case they are given away in a guaranteed way, the game would be flooded with 4-dots/ legendaries and all other creatures would get irrelevant. Moreover, the multisummon already gives you a discount on the diamonds necessary for ten creatures (100 diamonds) and a guaranteed epic. This is enough.
PP
What? Discount on diamonds? only for VIP members probably... Never noticed this at all.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 28, 2017 11:20 AM |
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He means the regular discount you get for doing a multi instead of a single.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted July 28, 2017 02:16 PM |
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I did see somebody on youtube do a mult-summon for 760 diamonds? This is probably a payer with VIP? Or something else?
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted July 28, 2017 04:45 PM |
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I think VIP 10 only spend 720 on multi-summons.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 28, 2017 05:43 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:44, 28 Jul 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
I did see somebody on youtube do a mult-summon for 760 diamonds? This is probably a payer with VIP? Or something else?
Well yes, people who pay real money get some small benefits, ain't it normal? It is thanks to VIPs the servers can keep running and people give money because they love the game. It is your choice to be 100% free player, which is respect but allows no mistake and dedication, and while it takes you three months of saving diamonds others massively summon with their credit card. It isn't pay-to-win, as you still need to get out there for the small creatures, figure out the strategies and make the right decisions. VIP benefits only speeds up progress but dungeon rewards are accessible (top 100) and dungeon tiers keep newcomers safe and single-player shouldn't be a problem once you are able to hold your own in gold tier competition. We know some players -even posters here at HC- who are f2p or almost (just bought the 5$ starter's pack, totally worth it btw) getting their greater essences each week and occasionally ranking in top 3.
Yes, the game is hard for a 100% free player, even I at VIP5 (around 100$) am now paying for some wrong decisions I made (by using essences in the wrong creatures, by recycling a good one I thought was bad, by wasting tons of rerolls when I thought those mattered in defense, etc) and I see for some is even worse than me (Players with VIP Angel with defense below 10%). Save the PvP, the game still is awesome for a f2p because of the relatively rich PvE and hopefully Kingdom will start to bring new things to the table.
All this to say it is normal payers have an advantage, they paid for it! Yet, the game is deep enough in tactics to at least work your way in offense and reap good rewards, you simply struggle more, but that is fair imo. Also the luck works both ways, a free player can get three legendaries in his first multi-summon while someone who paid can get one out of ten. And multi-summons aren't even mandatory, once you get 2-3 Legendaries (I got most of mine from random diamond idols I got from quest chest or PvP) you shouldn't have much problem in attack. Personally I want some creatures just because they look cool and also because PvE has tons of replayability with various teams if you accept to invest rerolls in it, as trying out alternative strategies is fun, given the plethora of abilities from vast array of creatures.
What bothers me a bit more, is that given how costly rerolls are, there is many team combinations I can't afford to try out yet, and that isn't even for competition.
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scurvynaive
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 28, 2017 06:35 PM |
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prpi said:
I strongly oppose the idea of a guarenteed legendary / 4-dot (legendary) in a multisummon. All these creatures are supposed to be ultra-rare. In case they are given away in a guaranteed way, the game would be flooded with 4-dots/ legendaries and all other creatures would get irrelevant. Moreover, the multisummon already gives you a discount on the diamonds necessary for ten creatures (100 diamonds) and a guaranteed epic. This is enough.
PP
I agree with this. And trust me if anyone can benefit from automatic legends it is me. Currently running at 4/20 for getting an event legend on multisummons and 0/17 for the new legend summons (astral, Cerberus, sphinx, worm, etc). I hate my luck but RNG is just a fact of any game. Deal with it and move on.
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AlHazin
Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
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posted July 29, 2017 10:49 PM |
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Well this is not in my habits but really, I deeply question this late event and most of those that came before. Basically, I have wasted 1600 diamonds to get useless 2 dots epics, 1/2 dot(s) rares, and that's it. This happening in the phoenix week, where I could have spent those diamonds in bying blue balls to secure my rank in the dungeon challenge, of which you screwed the defense again.
I didn't have the least hope to get the cerberus, but at least I cherished the idea to get I don't know, the spider queen, the banshee, something, for King bounty's sake, I don't know. At least a 3 (or 4 why not) dot epic to save the event.
What do you want to tell you? From now on, I won't put a single diamond into summoning again. Your events, you can burn incense with them. Yes, even the one coming in september, with the phoenix, the worm... etc. I hopefully will win my phoenix in the dungeon, not counting on rather selective algorithm in my opinion. Since I got most of my legends in the dungeon already, and the others, I got them from idols (except my stego, 90 diamonds summon) after 6 months of playing, I'll keep up using idols, at least they are free.
Seriously, the summoning events are the worst sham of this game, and I ponder my words.
Diamonds will be better used at rerolls, charging blue balls, bying energy space, coins... yes they will be way better spent this way.
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Nothing of value disappears from this world, it will reappear in some shape or form ^^ - Elvin
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 30, 2017 11:01 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 01:28, 02 Aug 2017.
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AlHazin said:
Diamonds will be better used at rerolls, charging blue balls, bying energy space, coins... yes they will be way better spent this way.
That's how I've always been using them, multi-summons only really matters when you start playing and lack Legendaries. What makes the luck factor OK in multi-summons is once you have a working party (with for instance a Giant *hint hint Al*) they are completely optional to keep progress in the game. Personally QBC is usually what eats my diamonds, for totems and hope of 4 dots in quick quests (I rarely have the time to go through all maps manually, because yeah RL tends to keep me away from important matters such as CQ).
Ps. Gratz for lvl 100 Geny 
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AlHazin
Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
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posted August 02, 2017 09:27 AM |
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Congratulations for the Kreegans. Most of us got a Phoenix and we ranked better than usual.
Meanwhile I'm leaving the game because too much is too much. Don't hesitate to put me out Galaad if you need room. Also as I abandon my band of brothers put my pic on HC's wall of shame, just next to Stevie.
Oh and screw you, Stickers! 
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 09:37 AM |
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AlHazin said:
Congratulations for the Kreegans. Most of us got a Phoenix and we ranked better than usual.
Meanwhile I'm leaving the game because too much is too much. Don't hesitate to put me out Galaad if you need room. Also as I abandon my band of brothers put my pic on HC's wall of shame, just next to Stevie.
Oh and screw you, Stickers!
Can't you just whine about it and make everybody crazy? Like me? Instead of instantly leaving? :-(
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *hand in air* *hit by bus*
EDIT: What are the new essences? Do they only look different in colors? Or do they have other purpose? Are there now Dark Elf/Siren/Ogre/Treant-group special essense? I didn't see anything of that just fancy colors?
I love the new speed though, much better.
I hope they replaced that annoying sphinx in tower again for fire sorceress.
And yes, screw you stickers, you took most of the top 10 last night while you all already have full Phoenix to begin with. Greed is your middle name?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 02, 2017 10:43 AM |
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@Al
I understand you want to take a break from the competition and that is no problem with me. These last two weeks have been particularly harsh with the new setups and I myself haven't adapted yet. Imo sometimes is good to alternate a bit with the game and focus more on PvE, to strengthen and get new creatures and avoid PvP burnout. 
The party you could have we talked about should greatly improve your offense rate and guarantee you the top 100, the one you've been using until now features only ONE Legendary, in Gold! You're a madman that is what you are my friend.
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Meanwhile, balance update (and that makes me think we should also make a creatures balance suggestion thread).
Quote:
Ability Updates
Epic Creatures
- Pegasus: Made ability DEF-based.
- Unicorn: Made ability LUK-based. This change was made to make it on par with other Creatures with a Revive ability.
- Walrus Rikishi: Made ability DEF-based.
- Air Elemental: Added a LUK debuff.
- Earth Elemental: Added a Cleanse All for 1 debuff.
- Dark Elemental: Each bolt now has a 50% chance to Dispel an enemy team buff.
- Gorgon: Made ability DEF-based. Also added a DEF buff and a Dispel to 3 enemy team buffs.
- Giant Cobra: Made ability LUK-based. Also added a Fatigue debuff.
- Sea Creeper: Made ability LUK-based. Also added an ATK buff.
- Water Elemental: Added ATK and DEF buffs.
- Fire Orc: Added a PWR buff.
- Centaur Mercenary: Added a PWR buff.
- Raptor: Changed bonus damage vs. Small and Medium Creatures to PWR and ATK debuffs.
- Griffin: Changed bonus damage vs. Small and Medium Creatures to DEF and LUK debuffs and a Protection buff.
- Firebat: Added a Dispel an enemy team buff.
- Shadow: Added a Cleanse All for 1 debuff.
- Shard Golem: Added a Cleanse All debuff on self and a Cleanse 1 debuff on party.
- Yellow Drake: Added a Fatigue debuff.
- Manticore: Special ability received a damage buff. DoT damage increased significantly, but only lasts 1 turn. Also, Its damage increase vs. Poisoned Creatures is changed to a Fatigue debuff.
- Draconic Gallant: Increased potency of Protection buff on Awakening.
Rare Creatures
- Oni: +1 ability charge is changed to bonus damage vs. Large and Boss Creatures.
- Scourge Hound: Made ability ATK-based.
- Gargoyle: Made ability DEF-based.
- Kitsune: Made ability LUK-based.
- Clockwork: Made ability DEF-based, added a DEF buff.
- Nymph: Added a PWR buff.
- Flame Dancer: Made ability LUK-based, added a LUK buff and a dispel for one enemy buff for each hit.
- Runic Statue: Added Mend All and a Fatigue All debuff.
- Hippogriff: -100% heal potency per evolution in favor for adding a Revive for friendly target.
- Dwarven Sky Sentry: +1 Mana Ball is changed to be bonus damage vs. Large and Boss Creatures.
- Skeleton Warrior: +100 DEF is changed to be an additional Crit chance vs. Large and Boss Creatures.
Common Creatures
- Ant Soldier: Made ability DEF-based.
- Woodchick: Made ability DEF-based.
- Horned Dragonling: Made ability DEF-based.
- Hobo Rat: Made ability ATK-based. Changed Awakening Ability for bonus damage against Creature below 25% HP to below 50% HP.
- Devilkin Whelp: Changed Awakening Ability for 30% bonus damage against Creature below 25% HP to 50% bonus damage against Creatures below 50% HP. Also, deals bonus damage against Large and Boss Creatures.
- Praying Mantis: Added a PWR buff, and added +20% damage versus Large and Boss Creatures to Awakening Ability.
- Otter Sailor: Added an ATK buff.
- Black Cat: Added a LUK buff.
- Magical Mask: Changed 25% PWR Heal All to 25% PWR Mend.
- Clurichaun: Now has 100% chance for 3 hits, rather than 60%.
- Wildkin: Gaining additional Mana on deathblow Awakening Ability is changed to bonus damage vs. Large and Boss Creatures.
- Gnome Crossbowman: Added a chance to Stun vs Large and Boss Creatures.
- Steam Pug: +1 Mana ball is changed to be +30% chance to Silence vs. Large and Boss Creatures.
Creature Stat Changes
Epic Creatures
- Firebat: HP increase.
- Unicorn: LUK decrease, DEF increase.
- Shadow: HP increase.
- Sea Creeper: PWR and LUK decrease, ATK increase.
- Pegasus: PWR decrease, ATK and DEF increase.
- Raptor: ATK decrease, HP, PWR, and DEF increase.
- Dark Elemental: HP and DEF increase.
- Earth Elemental: DEF decrease, HP increase.
- Water Elemental: DEF increase.
- Air Elemental: HP and DEF increase.
- Giant Cobra: HP and LUK increase.
- Gorgon: DEF decrease, LUK increase.
- Gazer: HP and LUK increase.
- Yeti: ATK decrease, PWR and LUK increase.
- Fire Elemental: ATK decrease, HP increase.
- Light Elemental: PWR decrease, ATK increase.
- Couatl: HP increase.
- War Elephant: LUK decrease, DEF increase.
- Treant: PWR decrease, DEF and LUK increase.
- Draconic Gallant: ATK decrease.
Rare Creatures
- Dragonfly: ATK decrease, HP increase.
- Goblin Bomber: HP, PWR, LUK, ATK, and PWR increase.
- Cursed Marionette: HP and PWR increase.
- Hag: HP, DEF, and LUK increase.
- Troll: ATK decrease, LUK increase.
Common Creatures
- Wacky Toad: HP decrease, DEF increase.
- Mischievous Demon: HP decrease, DEF increase.
- Frantic Fowl: ATK decrease, HP and PWR increase.
- Enchanted Sword: PWR decrease, HP increase.
- Boggart: DEF and LUK increase.
- Gnome Crossbowman: ATK and LUK increase.
- Orderly Nursquito: PWR increase.
- Gremlin Guerilla: HP, PWR, ATK, and LUK increase.
- Woodchick: ATK and LUK decrease, HP and DEF increase.
- Soldier Ant: PWR and DEF decrease, HP increase.
- Emberwing: LUK increase.
We also got LARGE ESSENCES, finally!
And now Mythic Idol gives nothing less than 3 dots!
Just not keen on changing Tower scoring mid-event. 
YT vid of update overview
I am still expecting a PvP overhaul at some point, hopefully sooner than later.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 10:59 AM |
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Ok stats don't do much for me, but what creatures are now prefered and better than before? Which one suck now?
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reyto
Hired Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 11:19 AM |
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Edited by reyto at 16:12, 02 Aug 2017.
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This update is nothing but a complete disaster.
Starting with the Battle Tower - tedious routine became even worse with new numbers. No changes in rewards - only great essence makes sense, no new interactions except for higher score.
The hardest part of the game - awakening of large and boss creature is now officially harder. You can't use greater essences from the Dungeon challenge on your favorite monster anymore if the colors don't match. Can you imagine any profit for players from this change?
Galaad said:
We also got LARGE ESSENCES, finally!
What makes you so excited about this?
Mythic Idol gives now gives you useless 3-dot epics instead of useless 2-dot epics. LOL. Even free-to-play questers must be flooded with 3-dot stuff whose only purpose is to wait for a real guy to be fed to.
The update makes things worse. Perhaps, dat Kingdom will make the situation better, but for now game devs are killing the game, slowly and sadistically. I hope that they do it unintentionally, that the Kingdom will be good but with changes like this I really doubt it.
The only thing that is definitely welcome in this update is animations sped up.
But they could do so much more:
Add the kingdom with ways to get rid of useless stuff like foliants.
Add a bunch of new small/rare/large creatures and new ways of obtaining them
Add small chance of obtaining at least of large creatures in the Battle Tower (this small improvement could drastically increase the importance of Battle Tower)
Add new maps with some old creatures like Earth Elemental, Fire Orc, etc., higher chances of rares like Nymph, Skeleton Warrior and so on.
And so many more...
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 11:24 AM |
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WHAT???? Greater essense is now color based? WHY?
So the one in the tower is also random-color so I can't awaken my Phoenix now?
That totally sucks... I welcome the thought of large-essense, but not of color-specific ones.
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reyto
Hired Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 11:29 AM |
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Edited by reyto at 11:41, 02 Aug 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
WHAT???? Greater essense is now color based? WHY?
So the one in the tower is also random-color so I can't awaken my Phoenix now?
That totally sucks... I welcome the thought of large-essense, but not of color-specific ones.
What made you think that Battle Tower essence is color-based now?
upd: changed competition > Dungeon challenge in
You can't use greater essences from the Dungeon challenge
Sorry for poor wording.
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prpi
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 02, 2017 12:51 PM |
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Not really sure what to think of the update. The differentiation between greater essences and epic essences, however, is good. The color-differentiation might be a pain in the ass, when you desperately search a red one and have the chance to get any of the other five colors.
Have not looked into the nerfs/stat changes so far, so no comment on this.
PP
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted August 02, 2017 02:27 PM |
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prpi said:
The color-differentiation might be a pain in the ass, when you desperately search a red one and have the chance to get any of the other five colors.
That is why we need a marketplace feature!
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2017 02:29 PM |
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lordgraa said:
prpi said:
The color-differentiation might be a pain in the ass, when you desperately search a red one and have the chance to get any of the other five colors.
That is why we need a marketplace feature!
Nope. A trade feature, I hate games that make people rich, like Diablo III in the starting time, when people could use real money to buy stuff from others.
I hope this kind of easy money making stays away fromCreature Quest.
Trading for other stuff, that is good, not for real money.
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted August 02, 2017 03:24 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
Nope. A trade feature, I hate games that make people rich, like Diablo III in the starting time, when people could use real money to buy stuff from others.
I hope this kind of easy money making stays away fromCreature Quest.
Trading for other stuff, that is good, not for real money.
Not a Diablo-style marketplace but a Heroes-style marketplace - as you said in your last sentence 
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