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posted June 09, 2020 11:41 AM |
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I don't remember what i posted that cor deleted, because he deleted the whole message. Go ahead and ban me cor, if you can't handle my anger at stupidity. The world is rife with it; and i fully intend to address it wherever i find it. Your pedantic targeting of my posts is only allowed because the site owner, like every other person in charge at the top, doesn't want to interfere. Much like all the police chiefs and their lower enlisted thugs. It's the same everywhere: nobody wants to take accountability for their positions, but they all want to do as they damn well please.
Literally every good thing i or ANYONE has ever done for this forum is moot, because you can simply remove the desire for further quality content at will by removing well-earned qp's. The qp system and the privileges that come with it are a joke, if somebody can just make it like contributions never happened. That's one of the reasons i'm done with this site.
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My provocative post wasn't to say that men can't be good cops also, but when you possess an additional tool that sometimes seems easier to use (physical strength + a more aggressive psyche than a female counterpart) you have a tendency to use it, even when it might not be a good choice in the long-term for helping society. That's why if a man is smart, he should imitate those good qualities instead of being mad about them or stewing in envy.
At any rate, your statement about all police being crazy/corrupt just seems like prejudice.
You just pinpointed the problem with female-only cops. That you don't see this is no surprise.
So i'll make this clearcut and simple:
How exactly do you propose a FEMALE to FORCIBLY RESTRAIN a MALE CRIMINAL?
I swear, the number of people divorced from reality is STAGGERING.
Also, i didn't say CRAZY. I said PSYCHOPATHIC. I think you misread that as "psychotic", which is a different animal altogether.
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posted June 09, 2020 11:48 AM |
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fred79 said:
People who even WANT to be cops, are usually psychopaths or morons, both male and female. You'll know this, if you've ever dealt with cops for a good deal of time. I'm sure there's a good one here and there, but that's needles in haystacks.
I don't know the motivations for people to take position where they get power over other people, or where they are potentially going to hurt other people as part of their job.
It is not something I could imagine doing myself, it sounds very unpleasant to me.
But just because I feel that way, doesn't mean there aren't genuine and good motivations for taking up such a position.
I think it could be interesting to get to hear about what drives people who wants to do good things and decides taking up such a position is the right thing.
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posted June 09, 2020 11:57 AM |
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Any good people end up rotten in a job like that. The "good" you see is just virtue-signalling. It's all show; no substance. It cannot BE substance, because of the system they are a part of, and because of the people they deal with in their profession. It poisons the mind and the spirit.
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posted June 09, 2020 12:48 PM |
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fred79 said:
How exactly do you propose a FEMALE to FORCIBLY RESTRAIN a MALE CRIMINAL?
Simple. Taser.
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posted June 09, 2020 01:56 PM |
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Tazers don't always work, and you can't always use them.
I thought about net guns, myself. No danger of suffocating in one of those.
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posted June 09, 2020 02:06 PM |
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There are disadvantages to the lack of upper body strength, but female cops are better at de-escalating situations and it's something that male cops ought to be imitating. If we look at police as primarily a force that is suppose to restrain or defeat people, then we already have a failing model.
Who in their right mind would ever prefer American police over British police? A police force that is primarily preventative is always going to be preferable. It's also CHEAPER by leaps and bounds.
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posted June 09, 2020 02:23 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:24, 09 Jun 2020.
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The british police? Lol. You mean the guys who run from the criminals with knives? Loooool. Yeah, that'll go over well here in the states. The criminals would really love that kind of opposition. You, bub, have obviously been exposing yourself to some very persuasive and destructive nonsense. I highly recommend seeking your worldviews elsewhere from where you've been getting this snow...
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posted June 09, 2020 03:09 PM |
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fred79 said:
People who even WANT to be cops, are usually psychopaths or morons, both male and female. You'll know this, if you've ever dealt with cops for a good deal of time. I'm sure there's a good one here and there, but that's needles in haystacks.
And, they HAVE body cameras. Doesn't stop them from killing people and laughing about it. See the BODY CAM video i posted in this thread. Took the public 3 months to fight for, and get, that video.
Don't defund the police, just alter the hiring standards. But this is assuming that the system even wants smart and humanistic cops, and not state-sanctioned thugs. Which they obviously don't. I've read that you can't even BE a cop in some places(if not all) if your iq is beyond that of a cave troll.
I subscribe every word but the bad experiences with cops. I have even appeared in one police TV show, cause I helped dismantle a relatively high profile case.
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posted June 09, 2020 03:11 PM |
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American police are using equipment that they received post-9/11 to deal with terrorists on their own population, who are exercising their right to protest, including in situations where people are not rioting.
And that is the predictable and natural consequence of a nation that believes civil liberties can/should be secured at the end of a barrel instead of through an educated society. It's also a predictable consequence for press to be arrested and gased by police when the majority of police are Trump supporters, and Trump himself considers the press the enemy of the people; incidentally, so does every dictator who ever lived.
We need a leader, not a child.
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posted June 09, 2020 03:17 PM |
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Have you met people? They are the worst.
I cannot trust that they wash their hands after defecating. There is no way In Hell I can trust them with self-policing. Sigh. People.
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posted June 09, 2020 03:40 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
a nation that believes civil liberties can/should be secured at the end of a barrel instead of through an educated society.
The U.S. needs both better education AND strict adherence to the U.S. constitution. But then, who controls the education? What is their agenda?
Imo, we more direly need real Americans, of which there are ever fewer in this country. Old-school Americans, minus the slavery. What you see, are the ever-increasing absence of the old-school. Of which, you are actively a part of, because you side with opportunists and people who exploit our country; and are taking an active part in it's demise; much moreso than the right.
Neither side, not left or right, are Americans; the way our forefathers imagined. The way they set this country up to be. And that's an abomination. If you don't get this statement and why the meaning behind the U.S. constitution and the blueprints for this country are so important, then i don't know what else to tell you.
Aside from that, who is ANYONE from the left to talk of "adult children"? They are the epitome thereof. Spoiled children who are easily mislead and controlled.
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posted June 09, 2020 04:32 PM |
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@Cor
I would browse the Washington Post article I posted about racism within the the criminal justice system. Not any single study is conclusive and some are more complete than others (raw data of black vs white can ofc be explained in many ways) but all of them accounted for together make it difficult to believe that America doesn't have a race problem. I found the studies that focused on juries to be particularly interesting.
As I said, I don't disagree necessarily with the conclusion. However, memes and the like are generally created to highlight a specific view or superficial conclusion. Even good news articles that report on "new studies" often cherry pick results, prevent a biased interpretation, ignore limitations of the study, or how the study fits in the context of metadata. And news articles and especially memes both tend to ignore the fact that correlations are not causations - which frankly most people don't understand at all.
Be careful posting memes, is all I'm saying.
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posted June 09, 2020 04:49 PM |
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fred79 said:
Tazers don't always work, and you can't always use them.
This is tricky. There were multiple cases in which a person (in some cases while being intoxicated which also might be an additional factor) being arrested was pacified with tazers and died in consequence (respiratory and circulatory failure I belive). One recent case was quite a huge deal here in PL alas it was pretty slippery as a person has died (probably innocent as he was confused with the suspect) and the case had signs of police brutality and torture. The cops were prosecuted afterwards.
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Tomas Sowell- Fallacies of race
Okay, so I did some digging on this guy, basically he is conservative libertarian, meaning that even in the U.S., he still thinks the government should go smaller. Also he is criticized a lot for downplaying racism issues and things like wage differences etc.
Basically, I think you have a very European perspective when it comes to the U.S.. The welfare state in there is already quite small, almost inefficient at times. And welfare states did not evolve to spoonfeed people, they evolved to avoid social explosion (such as the riots) because when you leave capitalism all by itself, it only widens the gaps. You want to see 19th century capitalism without the welfare state, read Zola’s Germinal, the movie is also good.
Other than this, I see now, the thread has become more about the riots. Well, they are not a rational reaction for sure and as they say “a mob has a mind of its own” but talking about them as if they are the cause, rather than the result is reading it backwards. And not all protesters are looters of course
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posted June 10, 2020 12:49 PM |
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artu said:
And not all protesters are looters of course
As if it were anywhere in the same ballpark. A fraction of a fraction of a faction of the "protesters" are looters. Or, more correctly: none of the protesters are looters. The protesters are protesters, and protest isn't a crime. A person who is looting is not protesting. They are looting. Words have significance and when a criminal act becomes conflated with a constitutional right we start to have a serious problem.
But this is what so often happens in a political conversation. People have to defend themselves on behalf of the worst of the worst examples and any useful dialogue is thrown to the trashcan if it ever happens at all.
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posted June 10, 2020 02:11 PM |
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Some people use despicable tactics and try to paint everyone as looters. One can only guess what their motive is.
On another news, the insane President tweets about the 75 year old man who was hospitalized by the police. He appeared to be having a cell phone when he was pushed by the police. Trump however WITHOUT ANY PROOF suggested the elderly man pushed over was trying to "scan police communications in order to black out the equipment".
What a load of snow. He also put in the end the typical conspiracy stuff "could be a set up?". I urge people to watch what happened to the man, if you have the stomach to it.
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posted June 10, 2020 05:25 PM |
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I watched and can't stop thinking that stupid actions win stupid prizes. Call me not woke enough but police charging is NOT the moment and the place for elders, pregnant women, kids, handicapped people and name it, to bully and agitate hands in cops faces.
This is seeking for trouble and guess what medias is using to survive and sell. This.
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posted June 10, 2020 07:11 PM |
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Because these groups should know they are especially in danger of becoming victims of police brutality?
Or do you mean the price is for the cops that they let themselves being provoked in front of the cameras (of which they know they are there) to hit children, cripples, grannies and pregnants?
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posted June 10, 2020 07:23 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I watched and can't stop thinking that stupid actions win stupid prizes. Call me not woke enough but police charging is NOT the moment and the place for elders, pregnant women, kids, handicapped people and name it, to bully and agitate hands in cops faces.
This is seeking for trouble and guess what medias is using to survive and sell. This.
They're police officers, not T-Rex's.
What other advice would you give to the elderly man? Don't look at them in the eyes or they might pounce?
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posted June 10, 2020 07:46 PM |
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Guys. Prosecute cops when they do bad actions. But for god's sake, stop this victim and spineless mentality that you can do whatever you want and never be accountable for stupid actions. Keep out from police charging or assume consequences.
Of course, this applies to only your agenda, when some white men protest for preserving historical monuments or against hordes of migrants spiting on their culture, they deserve every beating and preventive arrest, we know that.
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