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Gandalf196
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posted July 13, 2020 10:00 AM |
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The World would be a better place...
... had Austria-Hungary won WW1
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 10:14 AM |
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Gandalf196 said:
... had Austria-Hungary won WW1
as a Romanian, no thanks! Both austrians and hungarians had wanted to enslave us and take our lands, so keep your mouth shut if you suck at history!
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blob2
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posted July 13, 2020 10:22 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 10:22, 13 Jul 2020.
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Actually from the 3 partitions in the 18th century, the Austro-Hungarian one was the most beneficial for Poland if you look from a cultural and progression standpoint. It was the least "aggressive" also. Hmm, I wonder...
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FirePaladin
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posted July 13, 2020 10:23 AM |
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@monere
Yeah, true. Besides, you can't be sure of the future consequences of that, since it was relatively a long time ago (but again, it might have lead to a better world or not).
@blob2
That doesn't mean they didn't want our land. Least aggressive isn't non-aggressive.
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blob2
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posted July 13, 2020 10:31 AM |
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FirePaladin said:
That doesn't mean they didn't want our land. Least aggressive isn't non-aggressive.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. Agressors are still agressors. But seeing the current state of my country, who "rules" and decides about it now (church and venal social benefiters), I kinda now wish things would be different...
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FirePaladin
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posted July 13, 2020 10:33 AM |
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Oh, that's plenty true and fair as well. But well, it might have been a better place tho, who knows, actually.
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 10:50 AM |
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Edited by monere at 11:12, 13 Jul 2020.
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guys, let's not draw conclusions based on what MIGHT HAVE happened if this and that or the other. If we were to make assumptions the mongolian empire could be considered the best thing in the Universe since it's promoted science, justice and art. But this doesn't mean that they have not slaughtered millions of people, including women.
The same with the austro-hungarian empire, the roman empire, the ottoman empire, and all other cocksucking empires that have craved for our lands, riches, and women. We, Romanians, have been the victims of all these empires and only God had kept Romania alive.
We can't draw conclusion based on what this could have been, or what that could have done, and so on.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 13, 2020 10:59 AM |
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Yeah, no.
I'm not a fan of these empires. Except maybe the Second Bulgarian Empire, that one was nice. 
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 11:13 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Yeah, no.
I'm not a fan of these empires. Except maybe the Second Bulgarian Empire, that one was nice.
???? Are you making this up DD? Cause I have never heard of it
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 13, 2020 11:14 AM |
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monere said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Yeah, no.
I'm not a fan of these empires. Except maybe the Second Bulgarian Empire, that one was nice.
???? Are you making this up DD? Cause I have never heard of it
No man, I am not.
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 11:38 AM |
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I had no idea LOL. How did you even hear about this thing cause I've never heard of it in the history class... or I may not remember??
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 13, 2020 11:43 AM |
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monere said:
I had no idea LOL. How did you even hear about this thing cause I've never heard of it in the history class... or I may not remember??
I also never heard about it in regular school or high school classes. I learned about it in university in my short time as a student of History.
So, yes, I like this one. But Austria-Hungary can suck a lollipop.
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 11:49 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
monere said:
I had no idea LOL. How did you even hear about this thing cause I've never heard of it in the history class... or I may not remember??
I also never heard about it in regular school or high school classes. I learned about it in university in my short time as a student of History.
So, yes, I like this one. But Austria-Hungary can suck a lollipop.
that explains it then. And yes, they can suck a lollipop, and I want to suck one, too  ... lollipop, that is. I honestly have nothing against Hungary and Austria (I have actually had one good Hungarian friend when I had worked in Netherlands), but when an individual / nation / organization steals someone else's property... well, that's when my blood starts to boil.
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NoobX
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Now, this is a paradox...
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posted July 13, 2020 03:03 PM |
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Edited by NoobX at 15:05, 13 Jul 2020.
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...had Socrates never existed. Oh wishful thinking 
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tSar-Ivor
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posted July 13, 2020 04:52 PM |
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If only Hungary got into bed with Prussia instead of Austria. Not that it had a choice at the time.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted July 13, 2020 06:56 PM |
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blob2 said:
Agressors are still agressors.
Technically, Romania was the one to declare war on the Central Powers.
Drakon-Deus said:
monere said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Yeah, no.
I'm not a fan of these empires. Except maybe the Second Bulgarian Empire, that one was nice.
???? Are you making this up DD? Cause I have never heard of it
No man, I am not.
Clicky
The premise of a 'Vlaho-Bulgarian Empire' sounds interesting and somewhat plausible, but the historical facts presented as proof are rather distorted.
NoobX said:
...had Socrates never existed. Oh wishful thinking
Oh, come on, he isn't THAT bad. Just like sophism.
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monere
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posted July 13, 2020 07:07 PM |
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Edited by monere at 19:09, 13 Jul 2020.
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Technically, Romania was the one to declare war on the Central Powers
not sure I understand this quote Count. What exactly are "the Central Powers", and what's this Romania declaring war thing all about? Romanians are not conquerors, we have stood our ground ever since people have colonized this Earth 500 million years ago, and if we have ever declared war on anyone they have probably deserved it because they have nurtured unholy thoughts towards us.
EDIT: also, it's your turn to create poll in that thread about how well you know your fellow HCers, so please do so before going offline for another month
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 13, 2020 07:18 PM |
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CountBezuhoff said:
The premise of a 'Vlaho-Bulgarian Empire' sounds interesting and somewhat plausible, but the historical facts presented as proof are rather distorted.
The Count
Yeah, it's just revisionist history from our side to be honest. But still, I prefer a Bulgarian empire to the rest that exerted influence in our area.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted July 13, 2020 07:35 PM |
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@monere
In WW1 Romania joined the fight against the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and the Ottoman empire) in 1916 after a relatively successful Russian counteroffensive on the Eastern front. Their participation was of their own volition with the express goal of seizing land in Austrian possession (Transylvania). The Central Powers sought numerous times to prevent Romania from becoming yet another opponent, as they were experiencing setbacks on several fronts. Romanian demands were however unacceptable to Austria since they'd have to part with way too much territory. The Romanian government, on the other hand, wouldn't settle for anything less and, believing the moment opportune, attacked. That's almost the textbook definition of aggression right there.
Of course, I'm not excusing earlier Austrian transgressions, neither am I putting too much blame on Romania, as most countries in their situation would have done exactly the same.
@DD
I agree, though in some regards I think Habsburg influence also proved quite beneficial. (And to be honest, Habsburgs>>>>>>>Ottomans; the difference between living under the yoke of the former and that of the latter is simply that great).
The Count
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blob2
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posted July 13, 2020 09:51 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 21:54, 13 Jul 2020.
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