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FirePaladin
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posted February 02, 2021 12:22 PM |
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I think if done right a lot of potential buyers would appear, you can still see a lot of nostalgia whenever someone comments on the game.
So-called HD remake is constantly baiting such people even now. For Ubisoft, this whole thing has been a major success.
And about 3D, I personally think that in the HoMM franchise H6 has done it right for the most part (only that it didn't have 3D town screen, nor hexes). Everything is easy to understand, etc.
However, without very good design while remaking things such as battlefields (not sure what to comment on creatures and most of the other stuff, they were 3D from the beginning), I doubt HoMM3 could get a worthy 3D remake. And again, chances are crazily low it'd get the expansions in 'HD' to begin with. Oh, and a recommended, fixed camera in an H3-like angle would be necessary, one of the main things H5 and H6 lack (dunno if H7 is worth mentioning though).
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Galaad
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posted February 02, 2021 12:39 PM |
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@MattII
Yes, by that I meant completely rebuilding the game.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 02, 2021 12:46 PM |
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HoMM5 was made using HoMM3's engine, but perhaps redoing it from scratch could be easier. 
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blob2
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posted February 02, 2021 12:51 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 17:03, 02 Feb 2021.
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Galaad
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posted February 02, 2021 02:18 PM |
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@blob
I'm unsure that's the link you intended to paste 
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blob2
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posted February 02, 2021 05:00 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 17:02, 02 Feb 2021.
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MattII
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posted February 02, 2021 11:13 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
HoMM5 was made using HoMM3's engine, but perhaps redoing it from scratch could be easier.
HoMM5 used a modified version of Nival's Silent Storm engine, which has no connection at all to HoMM3.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 12:00 AM |
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Dunno, afaIk Quantomas says that H5 is based on H3, and the guy has the source code too.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 01:09 AM |
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FirePaladin said:
Dunno, afaIk Quantomas says that H5 is based on H3, and the guy has the source code too.
'Based on' can mean a lot of things, although in this case I suspect it means a lot of the faction themes of H5 were, if not exactly the same as, then at least decidedly similar to those of H3.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 01:11 AM |
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No, it's totally about the code in this case lol. I do know that H5's AI (what the guy is developing) is partially compatible with H3 to begin with.
Edit: I just found his post regarding that, I'll ss and share it here tomorrow if anything.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 02:24 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 02:25, 03 Feb 2021.
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FirePaladin said:
No, it's totally about the code in this case lol. I do know that H5's AI (what the guy is developing) is partially compatible with H3 to begin with.
It might be the AI, but it's certainly not the graphics engine. The HoMM3 engine is 2D, the HoMM5 one is 3D. I'm fairly certain the two aren't compatible.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 02:38 AM |
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Modify/replace the graphic engine. It's not like they couldn't.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 05:15 AM |
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Then it won't be Heroes III. That's the thing with Heroes III (and I and II), it's not made to be viewed from more than one direction, the assets are the wrong shape (the cites are 3 spaces 'tall', but 5 'wide'). It would probably be easier to modify Heroes 5.
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blob2
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posted February 03, 2021 11:24 AM |
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I'm not a specialist, but I think you can do many things when you have access to the code. But first you need to have access to it.
Some well known projects, for example Diablo 2 I think (people want a remaster of it) have met a big wall cus their creators seemingly "lost the source code". They would probably need to build it from the ground-up which basically isn't remastering, but making a game almost from scratch. I don't know the details, maybe it's just a way to evade the subject at hand, but I have some connection to IT and I know these things tend to happen. You cannot "extract" everything from a game's commercial version code, you sometimes need the "development" build of a game.
But the baseline is: they can.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 12:06 PM |
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They can, but to make Heroes 3 in 3D it's probably be easier to work backwards from H5 than forwards from H3. At least you'd be working with a compatible engine.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 01:07 PM |
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There was a guy who made 3D panoramas of H3 scenes. They looked gorgeous. One only needs a very good design and team to remake H3 in 3D well, but we all know it won't ever happen anyway. And a game can be designed with a fixed camera in mind too.
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Galaad
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posted February 03, 2021 07:27 PM |
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H3 is 2D but has 3D modelling. I really meant doing it all from scratch, preferably with a new engine. I prefer 2D for Heroes, but if Ubi is so confident 3D sells more, my point is at least they could make the gameplay and art right.
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 09:08 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
There was a guy who made 3D panoramas of H3 scenes. They looked gorgeous.
Do you know his name?
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FirePaladin
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posted February 03, 2021 09:57 PM |
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I'm sorry, I meant dioramas. This is where he posts his stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/witolszewski/
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MattII
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posted February 03, 2021 11:49 PM |
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Nice stuff, but I'm not sure you could apply it to a whole map.
And honestly, I wouldn't bother with 3D, 2.5D isometric is good enough to my mind, and requires far less graphical processing.
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