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posted April 30, 2021 01:18 PM |
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I know things are hard to compute for you Gandalf, but you are the ones "constructing a model based on preconceived ideas" and "discarding data that does not align with model." The only missing part is you cant even "find data that agrees with model" because there is none.
If someone's neuroanatomical brainwiring is not in sync with their genitals, they can have treatment or surgery about their condition. They don't have to live their life with a body they are not in peace with, because Gandalf the Elder dictates "there is XX and there's YY, that's that." It is not a mental delusion, it is a solution they seek to the condition of their own body. This much should be comprehensible even by common sense and simple logic but since you seem to lack both and claim it is a mental illness, there is nothing more natural than people informing you on the FACT that according to psychiatrists, it is not.
It may come as a surprise to you but when deciding if something is a mental illness, most people will find psychiatrists more credible than the "good sense" of a nobody who's flooding internet forums with non-sensical noise, pLayIng wiTh foNtS to cover up his lack of substance, spitting out conspiracy theories and constantly copy-pasting third-rate memes.
Science is not a god, no, it is questionable, science itself questions science, that is the basis of its method. That doesn't make the crap you keep coming up with, anything of significant substance though. You are not wrong only because what you say contradicts DSM-5 or some other textbook of mental disorders, you are wrong because you are even incapable of making a sound, reasonable argument and your very "good sense" is your preconceived, bigoted prejudices.
Oh, and if my concern was to look more intelligent than you guys, I'd simply sit down and drink a glass of water. I'm just tired of this kind of crap-posting resulting in the quality posters leaving and degrading an on-line community I cherish into some 4chanish ghost town.
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posted April 30, 2021 01:27 PM |
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@artu
You've studied Archeology, right?
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artu
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posted April 30, 2021 01:34 PM |
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Because skeletons don't have neuroanatomical features anymore.
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Gandalf196
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posted April 30, 2021 01:38 PM |
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artu said:
If someone's neuroanatomical brainwiring is not in sync with their genitals, they can have treatment or surgery about their condition. They don't have to live their life with a body they are not in peace with, because Gandalf the Elder dictates "there is XX and there's YY, that's that." It is not a mental delusion, it is a solution they seek to the condition of their own body. This much should be comprehensible even by common sense and simple logic but since you seem to lack both and claim it is a mental illness, there is nothing more natural than people informing you on the FACT that according to psychiatrists, it is not.
Still, the best answer to your mumbo jumbo is memes. You mash up scientific terms through a, justice be done, not mediocre, but empty prose and expect people to buy into ideas that simply fly in the face of the real world. There are no transgender people. There are men and women suffering from a mental condition, which should not be, in the great majority of cases, encouraged to try and mimic the other sex, because putting these people to chase an impossible goal will only do them harm. In fact, what you guys don't realize is that this is no XXI century Civil Rights Movement. This is the normalization of disease. As I proposed before, if you're feeling this way or know of someone does, the first thing that should be done is to take out all their access to pornography - that is the silent poison corrupting the mind of Youth.
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posted April 30, 2021 01:42 PM |
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Also, listen to Walt Heyer, a man who's been through hell and back and now champions against this madness:
https://youtu.be/oJOuO9IxTdE
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posted April 30, 2021 02:15 PM |
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Just because you cant comprehend something, doesnt make it mumbo jumbo. Once again, you are in no position to decide what is or what is not a disease and there is nothing "mental" about having a different biochemistry because of hormonal and genetic differences. This is not an opinion, it is not a matter of semantics either: If someone hears voices that dont actually exist with perfectly normal ears, it is a mental condition, if someone's hormones function differently, it is not a mental condition, it is a body condition (even if it was a disease). It is not a mimic either, hormones are what cause sexual urges and identity.
There are singers, directors etc, that had sex change operations and we can directly observe that they stick to their decision and since they are celebrities, we can directly observe that they keep functioning like a normal (as in not mentally delusional) human being, keep on doing what they were doing before the surgery. So what if some people regret it, what does that determine? I also told about her on the other thread, we have this singer, who was born a man, I look at the movies she acted in before her sex-change surgery, when she was hiding her gender identity and trying to act out all macho. It is absolutely certain she doesnt feel like a man, no matter how she tries to hide it. And now when I see her on TV, she seems much more herself and much more comfortable. Who are you to decide she is diseased?
Lastly, you are not replying with memes, you are flooding the forum with them, making thread after thread. You are the one fixated on this, not anyone else. And no, I dont have transexual tendencies or anything similar but I do watch porn like once or twice a month, especially if I fell sleepless and I couldn't care less about your anti-porn preaching.
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posted April 30, 2021 02:18 PM |
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Heh...
artu said:
There are singers, directors etc, that had sex change operations and we can directly observe that they stick to their decision and since they are celebrities...
You do realise that precisely because they are celebrities it is far less likely they will ever admit to changing their mind, right?
I am not arguing that they did, just that they wouldn't necessarily change course if they had.
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posted April 30, 2021 02:20 PM |
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No, I wouldnt conclude such a thing.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted April 30, 2021 02:21 PM |
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Heh...
Then you are naive. It happens.
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artu
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posted April 30, 2021 02:28 PM |
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"It can happen" but suggesting "because you are a celebrity, you are less likely to admit regret" is not a causality I would presume as a significant probability. Not to mention, it is not just about not admitting. They dont behave regretful.
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posted April 30, 2021 05:09 PM |
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Gandalf196 said:
There are no transgender people. [...] As I proposed before, if you're feeling this way or know of someone does, the first thing that should be done is to take out all their access to pornography - that is the silent poison corrupting the mind of Youth.
I had to read this a couple of times, for the sheer bizarreness of this claim to sink in. So let's see, all the transgender people have been silently "poisoned" and corrupted by their access to porn. However, since only a small, VERY small part of all those with access to porn develop transgender tendencies, access to porn would be a NECESSARY condition, but not a SUFFICIENT one.
Now, if it was about a sufficient condition in the people themselves, the porn claim would be meaningless, obviously, since there was something "wrong" with a minority of people, not with the porn.
So the only conclusion left here is, that there must be some heavy-duty monster porn only a couple of people watch. This is supported by the claim that stopping access would somewhat "help" the afflicted - which is akin to claiming that a constant stream of that porn is necessary to keep the poisoning going.
Now, what porn would that be, I wonder? Some devilish, demonic stuff, doubtlessly ...
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posted April 30, 2021 05:23 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Gandalf196 said:
There are no transgender people. [...] As I proposed before, if you're feeling this way or know of someone does, the first thing that should be done is to take out all their access to pornography - that is the silent poison corrupting the mind of Youth.
I had to read this a couple of times, for the sheer bizarreness of this claim to sink in. So let's see, all the transgender people have been silently "poisoned" and corrupted by their access to porn. However, since only a small, VERY small part of all those with access to porn develop transgender tendencies, access to porn would be a NECESSARY condition, but not a SUFFICIENT one.
Now, if it was about a sufficient condition in the people themselves, the porn claim would be meaningless, obviously, since there was something "wrong" with a minority of people, not with the porn.
So the only conclusion left here is, that there must be some heavy-duty monster porn only a couple of people watch. This is supported by the claim that stopping access would somewhat "help" the afflicted - which is akin to claiming that a constant stream of that porn is necessary to keep the poisoning going.
Now, what porn would that be, I wonder? Some devilish, demonic stuff, doubtlessly ...
First, your conclusion that access to internet pornography is a necessary condiditon for transgenderism does not follow from the premisses stated. It is my opinion that the sudden spike in the number of young men and women identifying themselves as transgender (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/trans-teens-ottawa-cheo-demand-1.5026034) can be correlated (and explained by) access to such porn + normalization of a medical condition + promotion of this "lifestyle" by transgender youtubers and the media in general. Also, I believe the motivations are different between boys and girls.
For Boys, I believe it has more to do with autogynephilia (enhanced a lot by pornography) while for girls I believe it has to do with the realization that, let's put it this way, a less feminine girl might find comfort if she decides to "live as a boy" (this enhanced a lot by the mainstream media, tumblr, twitter, etc.).
Yes, pornography is poison. It is junk food for your brain, severely altering its neurochemistry reward system.
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posted April 30, 2021 06:35 PM |
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When you look at what you wrote you'll see that it doesn't change anything. You now weaken your initial statement by saying the "spike" is due to porn plus normalization plus promotion - but a SPIKE is just an increase, so there are cases without that, which you explicitely negated (there are no transgender people).
So what you say doesn't make any sense, but looks like some crude claim, out of some church sermon.
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