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Gigel_the_Skel
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posted April 20, 2021 09:25 PM |
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These are racist posts.
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fred79
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posted April 20, 2021 09:30 PM |
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they sure are. but probably not in the way you're referring.
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Stevie
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posted April 20, 2021 09:46 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 21:51, 20 Apr 2021.
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Let's quickly cut one thing out of the way - the very meaning of a protest involves hatred. You only protest against something that you hate. Sure, you can make it sound a bit better with words like "disagreement" or "dislike", but that's just playing semantics. Quintessentially, it's hatred. A protest is voicing hatred, whether peacefully or not is besides the point here.
Hatred alone doesn't tell anything. Put into context it can be good and justified or bad and misplaced. Hatred for murder is good and justified, don't think anyone here thinks otherwise. But what Gandalf posted there shows nothing of the sort. It seems to me like a call to voicing hatred against "white nationalism".
I'm not up to speed with your made up terms and I'm not buying it anyway because it seems self-serving to promote an agenda, but I think the gist of it is that the murderer isn't even white? Not like it ever mattered what skin color a murderer has, but the creator of that post clearly thinks it does and makes such a mistake, betraying bias.
So what am I to think? Word for word:
"Justice for whoever..." - Okay, I can get behind that. Everyone deserves justice.
"End the violence towards asians" - ... What? So where is the button I can press to do that? Or how can my protesting ever achieve such a grandiose goal? Does anyone even think that a mob screaming their lungs out will end any future violence? Unrealistic, completely detached from reality. But that's not my main takeaway from this part, rather the fact that I am subtly made to shoulder such a burden as if I had the power and responsibility to do so. I don't.
"Let's unite against white nationalism" - What is that even? And why not unite against murder or injustice? Wouldn't that have been a lot more accurate and fit the context? Instead, I'm seeing a rallying cry to hate against "white nationalism", whatever that is. I call bull****.
My conclusion? That post tries to plant a narrative and direct hatred at something else, and as far as I can tell it is unrelated and undeserving. It is dishonest and misleading. I am prepared to hear any arguments to the contrary.
P.S: I don't use Facebook. I'd rather take my media from a sewage pipe.
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artu
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posted April 20, 2021 11:40 PM |
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The very meaning of protest involves disapproval. Hate is a very strong and emotional word. You can also protest something you hate, of course, but that’s not the norm. Promoting civil disobedience, for instance, is not promoting hatred and it’s elemental to a democracy. It’s the difference between a place like, say, U.K. and Iran. They both have elections.
If some ethnic minorities are discriminated, there’s nothing wrong with protesting that to create awareness. That’s also what Martin Luther King was doing. Has this turned into some meaningless craze, have internet and social media pushed people into constant virtue signaling and superficial polarization, these are other questions, important ones. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with the notion of protesting discrimination itself.
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fred79
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posted April 20, 2021 11:43 PM |
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speaking of "white nationalism", chauvin was found guilty on all charges. big surprise there.
too bad that kind of bias doesn't work when cops legitimately kill white people, and not just physically detain a black criminal druggie who is overdosing.
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FirePaladin
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posted April 20, 2021 11:49 PM |
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It was obvious it'd be like this from the start, they had to push the bs after all.
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fred79
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posted April 20, 2021 11:56 PM |
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what gets me, is that so many were involved in threatening the jury, even politicians, and they didn't replace the jury afterward. then the fact that most of the jury obviously WASN'T a jury of his so-called peers. oj simpson, by comparison, actually HAD a jury of his own kind.
move along, nothing to see here. i'm somewhat irate, in that the wrong people are continually gaining power, but i don't care about the guy himself because he's a cop. i didn't care about either, tbh. that the whole thing was politicized, and that justice was not served, is a problem, though.
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NoobX
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posted April 21, 2021 12:03 AM |
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It was probably a political move to try and calm things down. Very pragmatic, very much expected.
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artu
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posted April 21, 2021 12:07 AM |
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Politics would be inevitably invoved in such a trial, sure. But it’s not like the guy was innocent.
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 12:13 AM |
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was oj simpson innocent? because that was a politicized trial, too. and yet, he got away with OBVIOUS murder.
gee, wonder why? was that one ALSO because of a threat of black violence on citizens?
seems so. looks like we're only pandering to violent, racist people.
i don't see how anyone can call this any other way.
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artu
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posted April 21, 2021 12:32 AM |
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How do you link the two? OJ Simpson got away with murder because he was a rich celebrity and his army of expensive lawyers politicized the trial into a racial narrative. So, should Chauvin get away with it as well, as some kind of payback?
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posted April 21, 2021 12:53 AM |
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I do agree that because of a toxic overreliance on guns and force that police murder Whites, however there is an overabundance of evidence that this abuse of power is disproportionately shouldered by the Black & Brown communities of America. It is good for the entire country that Chauvin was found guilty of murder since that is where the evidence led. The defense was unable to provide a reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions were excusable either from his training or from the surrounding environment.
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NoobX
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posted April 21, 2021 12:56 AM |
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artu said:
Politics would be inevitably invoved in such a trial, sure. But it’s not like the guy was innocent.
I don't think that it entirely matters in the end whether he was innocent or not. People went rioting, looting and pillaging as soon as news of Floyd's death surfaced. No trial, no nothing. Faced with that, there had to be a lot of smart political and social maneuvering to mitigate the damage. It's a utilitarian principle - punishment has to be served for the benefit maximum good, whatever that "good" may be. In this case it was to appease the masses. Again, whether or not Chauvin was guilty is not of my concern, I am more interested in the acts themselves. The "mostly peaceful" protests were disgusting to watch, and the fact that they happened during the pandemic and were further backed by the woke groups just rubs me the wrong way. I know that they have this amazing ability to sway the people by tugging on their heartstrings, and they're using it to their fullest potential. If they want that equality, love and peace, they seem to be pushing for it the wrong way. In the end, it was not just that Floyd died or that Chauvin was convicted. The whole country was shaken to the ground because of the incident and the gap that should be bridged seems to have grown even wider now. There was no solidarity, no compassion for the innocent people who were damaged by the protests from the perpetrators. The US was in a sorry state, and the best thing they could do is find a way to stop the madness in a peaceful way. That's just my view on the whole event - it was a moment of shame for all involved, a critical point in which everything snapped and all the right pieces for a disaster fell into place.
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artu
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posted April 21, 2021 12:56 AM |
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fred79 said:
you seriously think oj simpson was acquitted because he was rich? and not because of who was on the jury?
do you think the same for the 4 officers acquitted for the rodney king beating? what was the racial demographic then? what were the consequences of the outcome?
A black guy, killing his white wife, with so much evidence couldnt get away without the popularity he had and lawyering up the way he did. Yes, the Rodney King beating was relatively recent back then and it may have had an effect on the political climate, but it was still the -very expensive- lawyers who were able to turn the trial into the political circus instead of the simple murder case it is.
(I know it’s just a TV show but the whole thing is pretty well analyzed in the 10 episode first season of American Crime Story. Almost felt like a documantery.)
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 12:57 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 00:59, 21 Apr 2021.
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blizzardboy said:
I do agree that because of a toxic overreliance on guns and force that police murder Whites, however there is an over abundance of evidence that this abuse of power is disproportionately shouldered by the Black & Brown communities of America. It is good for the entire country that Chauvin was found guilty of murder since that is where the evidence led. The defense was unable to provide a reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions were excusable either from his training or from the surrounding environment.
artu said:
A black guy, killing his white wife, with so much evidence couldnt get away without the popularity he had and lawyering up the way he did. Yes, the Rodney King beating was relatively recent back then and it may have had an effect on the political climate, but it was still the -very expensive- lawyers who were able to turn the trial into the political circus instead of the simple murder case it is.
delusion.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 21, 2021 01:04 AM |
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Yeah having a high-powered legal team can go a long ways. It's pretty implausible OJ would have gotten such a favorable verdict as an everyday citizen.
At any rate, that is old news but Chauvin's case is beneficial going forward. Due to the depth of the issue it would be ideal (not to mention simpler and easier) to abolish the police for a restart however reform is still better than nothing.
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artu
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posted April 21, 2021 01:08 AM |
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Well, if you are the only one accusing everyone else of delusion and every one else had accused you of being deluded at one point or the other, it’s quite easy to conclude which party is the deluded one, isn’t it. So before you pull another one of your typical tantrums and rage on and on about how all of us lost touch with reality, I’ll be leaving the conversation. Nighty night. 
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 01:13 AM |
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artu said:
Well, if you are the only one accusing everyone else of delusion and every one else had accused you of being deluded at one point or the other, it’s quite easy to conclude which party is the deluded one, isn’t it. So before you pull another one of your typical tantrums and rage on and on about how all of us lost touch with reality, I’ll be leaving the conversation. Nighty night.
sweet dreams. don't let the bedbugs bite.
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posted April 21, 2021 05:38 AM |
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I support ghost. God will destroy USA .
If Communism is to be the instrument then so be it.
But I don't think it is being now.
"soros is a communist", "bill gates is a communist". Nonsense. How can a billionarie be a communist? Do you realize this doesn't have any logic? Communism is against private property and finance.
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 05:44 AM |
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another decent and thoughtful human being comes forth. keep 'em coming.
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