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Baronus
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posted April 21, 2021 10:03 AM |
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Western capital oligarchs as communists?
Impossible? Possible of course! Read Sutton:
Ofcourse they dont want give poor peoples his own capital! But they want absolute rule! Communism give it!
And this sistem will be rather as nazi. Hitler didnt destroyed great capitalists but they built nazi aggresion machine.
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Minion
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posted April 21, 2021 10:32 AM |
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NoobX said:
I don't think that it entirely matters in the end whether he was innocent or not. People went rioting, looting and pillaging as soon as news of Floyd's death surfaced. No trial, no nothing.
Floyd's murder was just the tipping point. Unrest was already boiling, police brutality was under the magnifying glass. And it was an especially cold murder imho, slowly and methodically choking someone to death in clear daylight. I have to admit I was shocked, and it takes a bit.
But hence because it was "the tipping" point you are absolutely correct, at that point it wouldn't have mattered what ignited the riots. Who was innocent or not.
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Salamandre
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posted April 21, 2021 11:04 AM |
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As long as nobody will point a finger to the elephant in the room, which is the excessive amount of crimes produced by blacks vs blacks then blacks vs anyone else, the result of this trial will not change much in cops behavior. Deal with causes first, not effects.
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blob2
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posted April 21, 2021 01:22 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 13:23, 21 Apr 2021.
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Effect in USA will be that police officers will be less determined to take action.
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Baronus
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posted April 21, 2021 01:44 PM |
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I I heard there is 300 less killed by police...
And 5000 more killed by bandits.
Wonderfull result.
Police liquidation is a NWO action to destroy world nations and make Global goverment ,because nations are not able to save citizens security'. These thugs always says that its for our own good.
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 01:49 PM |
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they want any decent cops/soldiers gone, so they can be replaced by the more willing jackboots they require. they want inner cooperation, because they realize their original plan of foreign military occupation would be fought against vehemently in the states. on top of that, they have their traitorous brainwashed to continually use against dissenters.
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Baronus
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posted April 21, 2021 02:47 PM |
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They are very afraid of levator terrorists. But they want to bring them to take advantage of being in Congress! Max disgusting.
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The_Gootch
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posted April 21, 2021 05:39 PM |
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I think this thread is a perfect example of the consequences of living in an echo chamber.
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blob2
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posted April 21, 2021 07:05 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:06, 21 Apr 2021.
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The_Gootch said:
I think this thread is a perfect example of the consequences of living in an echo chamber.
That was deep, congrats!
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Gnomes2169
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posted April 21, 2021 10:02 PM |
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Salamandre said:
As long as nobody will point a finger to the elephant in the room, which is the excessive amount of crimes produced by blacks vs blacks then blacks vs anyone else, the result of this trial will not change much in cops behavior. Deal with causes first, not effects.
Yeah, getting rid of ghettos would be the preferable solution. Since, you know, that's what those crime rates you keep bringing up actually show: People in ghettos commit and suffer more crimes, and in the USA most of the ghettos are populated by minorities (and of the minorities, it's predominantly black Americans.) You can see this in every poor and scorned neighborhood throughout the world, with the states that have the strongest police states having the highest crime and gang rates in their ghettos since the quality of life is the absolute lowest and state aggression is the highest, regardless of which ethnicity makes up the population of said ghettos.
Which has been explained to you before. So I'm not sure why you insist upon framing it as "Black culture" when in fact it's just poor neighborhoods with no infrastructure, overpopulation and no physical or economic ability being... poor neighborhoods that breed crime.
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Salamandre
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posted April 21, 2021 10:36 PM |
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Detroit is a ghetto? Memphis is a ghetto? Baltimore? just to name the three worst cities in America which share same specificity, they are majorly black. Black police, black major, black judges, black schools so...?
There are much poorer countries than USA black "ghettos", with thousands of immigrants coming every year from, yet they do not end in prison.
You can repeat the same responsibility absolving mantra thousands of times, it doesn't make more sense each time.
Gnomes2169 said:
Yeah, getting rid of ghettos would be the preferable solution.
Ok. HOW? Please give your solution. Basically you repeat what is being said since 20 years, with zero practical results.
We tried that in France, poured billions in the black ghettos, built schools, hospitals, shops, universities, houses at half price. They burned them to the ground.
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fred79
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posted April 21, 2021 10:52 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:57, 21 Apr 2021.
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Salamandre said:
They burned them to the ground.
so you have mostly peaceful protests over there, too?
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wait a minute! did France have black slaves, as well???
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Salamandre
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posted April 21, 2021 11:43 PM |
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Ghetto is not a location, but a mentality.
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blob2
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posted April 21, 2021 11:57 PM |
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Rimgrabber
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posted April 22, 2021 12:00 AM |
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NoobX said:
artu said:
Politics would be inevitably invoved in such a trial, sure. But it’s not like the guy was innocent.
I don't think that it entirely matters in the end whether he was innocent or not. People went rioting, looting and pillaging as soon as news of Floyd's death surfaced. No trial, no nothing. Faced with that, there had to be a lot of smart political and social maneuvering to mitigate the damage. It's a utilitarian principle - punishment has to be served for the benefit maximum good, whatever that "good" may be. In this case it was to appease the masses. Again, whether or not Chauvin was guilty is not of my concern, I am more interested in the acts themselves. The "mostly peaceful" protests were disgusting to watch, and the fact that they happened during the pandemic and were further backed by the woke groups just rubs me the wrong way. I know that they have this amazing ability to sway the people by tugging on their heartstrings, and they're using it to their fullest potential. If they want that equality, love and peace, they seem to be pushing for it the wrong way. In the end, it was not just that Floyd died or that Chauvin was convicted. The whole country was shaken to the ground because of the incident and the gap that should be bridged seems to have grown even wider now. There was no solidarity, no compassion for the innocent people who were damaged by the protests from the perpetrators. The US was in a sorry state, and the best thing they could do is find a way to stop the madness in a peaceful way. That's just my view on the whole event - it was a moment of shame for all involved, a critical point in which everything snapped and all the right pieces for a disaster fell into place.
Were you involved in any of the protests? Because I was at most of the ones in my city, and I personally know a lot of organizers around the country and I can tell you from firsthand experience and the accounts of people that I trust that the protests were almost all peaceful until the police showed up and started gassing, shooting, arresting and beating people. Also, a common thing that happens not just in BLM protests but protests all throughout the world all throughout history is law enforcement going undercover and posing as protesters to start snow so the police who are on duty have an excuse to violently put down civil unrest.
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blob2
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posted April 22, 2021 12:04 AM |
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Rimgrabber said:
Because I was at most of the ones in my city, and I personally know a lot of organizers around the country and I can tell you from firsthand experience and the accounts of people that I trust that the protests were almost all peaceful until the police showed up and started gassing, shooting, arresting and beating people.
Isn't breaking the rules of lockdown a felony in itself?
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NoobX
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Now, this is a paradox...
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posted April 22, 2021 12:05 AM |
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I was nowhere close, thank God. I base my statement on the footage I've seen. And no matter how many truly peaceful protest there were, they don't excuse or make violent ones negligible.
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posted April 22, 2021 12:14 AM |
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The protests in my city didn't happen during lockdown, and the protests were socially distanced and with masks.
And while I agree that the violent protests aren't excusable, the fact remains that the issue here is police brutality. Too often I see people saying something along the lines of "It's terrible Floyd was killed but the property destruction has to stop" when it should be the other way around. The only reason these protests are happening is because police are essentially allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner.
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Gnomes2169
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posted April 22, 2021 12:22 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Detroit is a ghetto? Memphis is a ghetto? Baltimore? just to name the three worst cities in America which share same specificity, they are majorly black. Black police, black major, black judges, black schools so...?
Yeah, you literally listed the three cities in the USA with the most economic inequality, the largest slums and impoverished populations, and some of the harshest policing policies. Which is why they have the most gangs, the most crime, and having these problems erodes quality of living in these places even further, creating an economic death spiral that leads to more policing and gang militarization, etc.
And oh gee, black police and politicians are in these predominantly black, overpopulated cities that have issues making enough jobs and housing (... that isn't owned by private investors that charge rent that poor people cannot afford) for everyone in them? Wow. Shocking. Scandalous even. It's almost like people who live in a place are the people who end up holding office and, regardless of race, attempt to create a law enforcement branch from the local population, so that they can protect state and private interests from those who would damage them.
It's also almost like automation is destroying large swathes of the jobs that people originally congregated to cities to work in, so the number of unemployed or starvation-wage workers has also increased, expanding the most and the fastest in populations that had little to no generational wealth to start with. And something that would compound that even further would be if there is a legacy of policies in the housing and jobs market that discriminates against an already impoverished section of the population and keeps it contained inside of cities... Look up Jim Crow and Redlining. And note that Redlining was only officially abolished in 1974, and that there is no regulatory committee that has any teeth that exists to enforce that abolition, so it still goes on constantly.
Salamandre said:
There are much poorer countries than USA black "ghettos", with thousands of immigrants coming every year from, yet they do not end in prison.
The USA as a country is rich. The individuals in the USA? Well... not as much. Especially minorities, who on average have 1/1000th the generational wealth of white people in the country.
Generational wealth in this case is important mostly because it is effectively the safety net that is in place to catch a person and keep them from descending fully into poverty. In the USA, your average white person will not end up in a slum or gang if they lose their job and remain unemployed for over a month, because they have friends and family with wealth to support them. The average black person does not have this luxury, and once someone falls or is born into poverty, it is so, so incredibly hard in the US to get out. Upward mobility in the US is pretty much de-facto the lowest of a "1st world" country, with only ~7% of the population obtaining and staying at a higher class of living over the course of their lifetime, while ~10% falls one or more rungs on the economic ladder. Compare this to, say, Demark, where the numbers are closer to a 12% increase rate and a 7% decrease rate, and... draw your own conclusions.
Oh. And most immigrants actually aren't poor or destitute when they come to a country. Contrary to popular right wing and bleeding heart liberal depictions of the immigrant population, most immigrants and refugees that attempt to immigrate to better countries have enough money to both make the trip and establish themselves within a host country for a few months, allowing them to avoid ghettos and other poor neighborhoods more effectively than one might expect. Or they are coming to the country with a work visa, and thus, already have a job, housing and salary lined up for them.
By the by: The crime and incarceration rate is only as high in the USA as it is because of the war on drugs. Multiple administrations (originally republican, but also democrat) have gone out of their way to make the production and use of illicit substances that were highly popular and cornerstones of the economy of those now crime-ridden black communities illegal. Nixon explicitly wanted to damage black and mexican communities, which is the reason why Cannabis got the name Marijuana (to make it seem more foreign and scary to the average white person) and why it got some of the most ridiculous punishments among the drugs, despite being a big ol' nothingburger as far as its danger in use and side effects.
Making a product that was predominantly produced and used by one section of the population illegal, especially since that section of the population used that as a foundation of their economic and employment base, caused that section of the population to see a sharp decline in their wealth, and additionally saw the population incarcerated at an alarming rate. However, the now-illicit product was still the only majorly viable product that remained to this section of the population (because... you know, Jim Crow laws,) and since this was an action that was instigated by the state, militia within that now-impoverished population rose up to fight against the law enforcement wing of the state in order to protect what remained of their economic prospects.
Yeah, the US (and when some of them got kicked out of the country, the South American) cartels are a reaction to and symptom of unjust economic and social policies. They are backlash to the war on drugs, not the cause of it.
Basically, the USA has so many criminals because it decided to mass produce criminals with meaningless and unnecessary laws. It's not because black people are naturally or culturally criminals, it's because the US decided to make the products that were produced by black people illegal, which lead to a death spiral.
Salamandre said:
Ok. HOW? Please give your solution. Basically you repeat what is being said since 20 years, with zero practical results.
I cannot speak for every country. I do not know what legacies are still around, or what economies of other countries are based on, because the US education system is actually trash when it comes to anything but American Exceptionalism. I can say that there are universal trends that need to be curtailed, such as Gig jobs, because they prey upon and exacerbate economic hardship shamelessly, but I cannot say what we should do to replace steel foundry and vehicle production jobs, since under our current system these jobs that are becoming obsolete and need to be replaced with jobs that pay just as well... and I know that they are not.
Because of this, I know that automation will kill capitalism as we know it. An economy based on every person working to pay for their own food, healthcare and shelter will collapse when there aren't enough jobs to keep people housed, fed and healthy. Automation replacing all the production jobs outside of oversight and management leaves you with... well, customer service, health care, research and entertainment as the only real opportunities for employment. And of those, only customer service (and to a much, much more rare degree entertainment) can be done without a diploma in the right field. Not everyone will be educated for the higher paying jobs, and that is by design, because these jobs are specialized and are not in high demand. Even if everyone could be, there are not enough jobs in these industries to employ everyone, and customer service, at least in the US, does not pay the people employed within it enough to make those jobs viable long-term.
I also know that Denmark is currently side-stepping this issue the best of the 1st world countries of today, despite being arguably the origin of Capitalism as we know it. And they are doing so by providing strong social programs (such as guaranteeing people houses, healthcare, food, incredibly strong workers rights and unions that prevent gig jobs from even existing, etc) while cutting administrative overhead as much as possible. Because making these programs easy to apply for and not attaching strings to them makes them cheaper in the long-run, and keeps disparity in check. They still have obscenely wealthy people, but also just have universally one of the highest standards of living on the planet, and are incredibly stable economically.
I am no economist, and I am no government official. I can see that Denmark is doing something right, but I do not know how to make it work everywhere. The Denmark model simply might not work in France, because Denmark is much smaller and much more stable than France. The USA could adopt it despite being so much larger, simply because of how much more the US economy dwarfs Denmark's, but that's socialism (despite being founded on Capitalism) so it's illegal in the USA, and there is no real political will to push towards that system.
I do, however, know that blaming "the poors" for economic instability, and blaming engineered problems on discriminated populations, will not fix society's woes. Sitting back and doing nothing also will not help. Militarizing law enforcement will also, ultimately, not help. Instituting legislation and rhetoric that blames impoverished populations and discriminates against them has proven it will not help. So we should try something else out, instead of continuing to ram these "solutions" into the meat grinder and feeding the death spiral more. Yeah?
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posted April 22, 2021 12:39 AM |
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Heh...
Gnomes2169 said:
I also know that Denmark is currently side-stepping this issue the best of the 1st world countries of today, despite being arguably the origin of Capitalism as we know it. And they are doing so by providing strong social programs (such as guaranteeing people houses, healthcare, food, incredibly strong workers rights and unions that prevent gig jobs from even existing, etc) while cutting administrative overhead as much as possible. Because making these programs easy to apply for and not attaching strings to them makes them cheaper in the long-run, and keeps disparity in check. They still have obscenely wealthy people, but also just have universally one of the highest standards of living on the planet, and are incredibly stable economically.
I am no economist, and I am no government official. I can see that Denmark is doing something right, but I do not know how to make it work everywhere. The Denmark model simply might not work in France, because Denmark is much smaller and much more stable than France. The USA could adopt it despite being so much larger, simply because of how much more the US economy dwarfs Denmark's, but that's socialism (despite being founded on Capitalism) so it's illegal in the USA, and there is no real political will to push towards that system.
Denmark's model only works for small countries with the resources/wealth Denmark has. Also, while it's one of the few countries that actually improved its economy during the lockdowns (the same doesn't hold true for the average small or medium business), all the social benefits are gradually but steadily on the decline.
Part of the reason for that is all the people that benefit from that system while putting nothing back to it in return. Oddly enough, the vast majority happens to belong to the same ethnic and/or cultural minority, members of whom come to the country fully informed of all the benefits and exploits, often knowing the law loopholes better than the locals. That very same group also happens to be largely responsible for serious crime.
I had the dubious pleasure of living next to one of the ghetto areas here. There was no shortage of damaged property, burning cars, shootouts, stabbings, and all the good stuff.
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