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posted October 28, 2022 04:42 PM |
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There are enough people who are obsessed with other people, stalk them
got me
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posted October 28, 2022 06:16 PM |
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fred79 said:
i'll try to simplify what i said. you've admitted(and rightfully so) that politicians don't care about people, right? so, by that understanding, we can rightfully assume ANYTHING they're attempting to do, has NO benefit to the public, period. correct?
Not at all, fred, not at all. And I only "admitted", they don't care about ME, as an individual. Someone needs to teach you the basics of logic and logical conclusions. That seems to be one of your biggest problems.
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it is PLAIN to see, there is overwhelming evidence that politicians don't act in favor of their countrymen.
it's not.
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so WHAT reason would you have to believe ANYTHING they did(legalizing marijuana, in this case), was for society's BEST interest?
You seem to have not only a logic but also a reading comprehension problem: society's best interest? What is that supposed to be? And if anyone knew, why would my best interest be society's best interest and vice versa?
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you understand the NATURE of politicians, right? so you should know they AREN'T looking out for the public's interest, when they pass ANY legislation. PERIOD.
That's just meaningless words. The public's interest, lol. Who IS the public and who wants to say what it's interest is? YOU? Haha.
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posted October 28, 2022 06:31 PM |
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What's the point in legalizing a substance that heavily and irreversibly damages the brain?
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posted October 28, 2022 07:28 PM |
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What are you talking about?
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posted October 28, 2022 07:33 PM |
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About reality
Long-term cannabis users’ IQs declined by 5.5 points on average from childhood, and there were deficits in learning and processing speed compared to people that did not use cannabis. The more frequently an individual used cannabis, the greater the resulting cognitive impairment, suggesting a potential causative link.
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posted October 28, 2022 08:52 PM |
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Yeh, well.
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Interestingly, individuals who used cannabis less than once a week with no history of developing dependence did not have cannabis-related cognitive deficits. This suggests there is a range of recreational use that may not lead to long-term cognitive issues.
Do you know what happens with people over a long period who drink excessively (as in dependent) at least 5 days a week over a long period? Losing 5.5 points of IQ is the least of their problems.
The thing is, that if you criminalize stuff that has bad consequences when you do or consume it every day in quantities, nothing is left.
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posted October 28, 2022 08:55 PM |
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The link says both long-term and heavy use, the two of them together can do that and it is not irreversible.
In this regard alcohol can do that too and is much more addictive than weed. Weed is pretty harmless if you smoke it modestly. We dont have to guess, just look at the countries that already decriminalized it. The upside would be that the quality can be inspected, in the age of genetically modified organisms, weed mixed with various stuff by the underground sellers causes much more harm than actual, organic weed.
Besides, from the users perspective, it's already like it's legal. Anybody can find it, it has no heavy social stigma such as heroin or crack etc., you wont go to jail if the amount you carry is user level of amount. So jusd legalize it and do health inspections like any other substance.
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posted October 28, 2022 09:24 PM |
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Great arguments. Then why not legalize cocaine, marijuana, get them all lobotomized, what a great world for tomorrow.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:02 PM |
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Because there are soft drugs and hard ones. Weed is a soft, managable drug. There are countries and states that legalized it and it wasnt the end of the world. It actually worked better.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:15 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Great arguments.
Yes, thanks.
But I'll bite. Yes, I would legalize ALL drugs. Keep in mind, in Britain heroin is still part of the medical repertoire.
What about this one? It's obviously addictive, it has serious side effects.
But the main question, as with anything else, is, why make it illegal? If everyone knows the consequences - where's the problem?
I mean, make no mistake, heroin is superior stuff - in certain, specific cirsumstances. Cocaine is a product of human greed - the coca plant would serve people a lot better than a refined product (comparable with refined sugar).
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posted October 28, 2022 10:21 PM |
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@JJ
There are two important parameters:
1- Addiction intensity and speed. (With weed, it is almost none, I smoke occasionally and there is no withdrawal affect of any kind.)
2- Chance of a deadly/impairing you permanently overdose. (This is also not a problem with weed.)
But if these two parameters are on a serious risk level, I understand why you wouldnt want it on market shelves. Both in terms of health issues and crime rates.
You can know the risks before hand but fast and intense addiction levels means you can not rationally control them, especially if you are a teenager and so on.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:32 PM |
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artu said:
There are countries and states that legalized it and it wasnt the end of the world. It actually worked better.
Legalized for the last 5-10 years or so, and you already know it worked better. At what, how? The study I linked shows a long term usage drops your IQ by 5 points. You need half century to get a valid view on practical results. Which will be more people get dumb.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:34 PM |
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Pretty sure a daily watch of BFMTV will get your IQ drop by way more than 5 points.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:37 PM |
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That makes a -10 if you are also under cannabis.
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posted October 28, 2022 10:42 PM |
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Salamandre said:
artu said:
There are countries and states that legalized it and it wasnt the end of the world. It actually worked better.
Legalized for the last 5-10 years or so, and you already know it worked better. At what, how? The study I linked shows a long term usage drops your IQ by 5 points. You need half century to get a valid view on practical results. Which will be more people get dumb.
It's been legal in Holland for much longer, and when I say better, I meant about the aspects I mentioned earlier. No modified merchendise, related crime rates dropped, just check out the Portugal experiment about decriminalizing drugs, which is not exactly the same with completely legalizing btw. When it comes to soft drugs, everybody who uses them uses them anyway, so any health issues will still be there. Weed is practically like legal from a user's perspective anyway, that is the point of actually legalizing it.
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posted October 28, 2022 11:01 PM |
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@ artu
No, all irrelevant. Look at a guy (or girl) weighing 200 kilos, totally addicted to sugar. Will you forbid sugar because we have an insane amount of obese people (with lasting health consequences)?
There is no such thing as addiction intensity and speed, because that's not drug related parameters, but PERSON related parameters. It doesn't matter how addictive a drug is, if it doesn't cater to your needs it won't have a lasting effect except that you don't like it.
In other words, the healthier a society is, the less it has to fear from drugs (of any kind).
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posted October 28, 2022 11:08 PM |
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Nope, the only parameter in addiction level is not the person. You cant accidently die of a sugar overdose overnight. It can lead to deadly health issues but it is not the same thing, people dont rob drugstores or bypassers in order to get a litte dose of sugar or coffee.
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posted October 28, 2022 11:10 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
girl) weighing 200 kilos
that's a walrus
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posted October 29, 2022 12:38 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Yes, I would legalize ALL drugs.
i just wanted to commemorate this statement you made.
so now we know two things about you, jj: you understand that politicians don't care about the public, and that you don't care, either. which should have been obvious earlier when you said this:
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Secondly, who cares about ANYONE at all?
so at least we know where your values/morality lie. it's important to know what kind of people are among us, making posts attacking anyone WHO GIVE A snow ABOUT THE PUBLIC, where they post factual, unbiased information, as "silly" or "crazy".
now we know why you think what i say is "silly" or "crazy": because you don't have empathy for your fellow man; and as such, your beliefs DIRECTLY contradict anything HEALTHY for them.
@ artu: and here we have another kool-aid drinker arguing for legalization of a substance that dumbs people down and makes them complacent. go figure.
funny, how both jj and artu spout the same bs on almost everything(and the same people always jump in to back them up), and they both(all) consume and regurgitate the same jew-controlled msm propaganda. what are the odds?
it's almost like there's a correlation here, or something... if ONLY i could figure out what that IS....
@ galaad, you never answered me on this:
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so, because people have longer life expectancies, that means the people pushing unhealthy snow have your best interests in mind?
is that what you're saying?
what i see, from the proponents for legalizing marijuana in this thread, are people who are making every excuse they can, to get a substance legalized that will dumb down the public and make them even more complacent. and they're doing all for doing that, because the government WANTS it to happen.
i mean, who are THEY to go against the programming? OBEY. OBEY. CONSUME. CONSUME. DON'T THINK. DON'T THINK.
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posted October 29, 2022 01:01 AM |
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@fred
I am glad you dont do anymore acid or weed or whatever, fred. Because you are already as delusional as one can be and drugs are not for everybody. And before such mud-slinging implications, remember nobody tried to explain my behavior by psychosis caused by an acid trip while a few tried to explain yours, because that is the level of non-sense you make.
Me smoking weed every once in a while, has nothing to do with my political views which are ten times more level-headed than anything you can ever hope to come up with in your life. I could smoke ten times the weed I smoke and I still wouldnt be half as delusional and paranoid as you. Now keep repeating that uneducated, racist, superficial conspiracy crap in all sobriety. Dont worry, we wont make any death threads against you, I know you get confused sometimes.
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