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posted October 29, 2022 02:41 AM |
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lol. ok, artu. smoke some more weed. whatever crutch gets you through the horrors of everyday life, right? i'm sorry you can't handle the facts and fresh, clean air. some men aren't as strong as others. hell, some men want to be women. is there something you're not telling us, artie? 
but to be more serious, you having the audacity to talk to ME about reality, is hilarious. coming from someone RUNNING from it in a haze of dumbing smoke, your words mean nothing to me. 
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posted October 29, 2022 03:46 AM |
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Arent you tired of embarrasing yourself, fredo? I could have easily hidden that I smoke weed for like what, 3 weeks a year and nobody would have even suspected that I smoke. I dont do anything that I'm ashamed of or can not maintain. Unlike you, who is a wreck and actually clinical. Trying for such a cheap and desperate shot to twist facts only because I am simply honest about something that is none of your business, tells a lot about your character. Anybody, even you can tell that my opinions have nothing to do with a state of constant smoking, so this is not even lack of intelligence, which we are used to coming from you, but lack of dignity.
The only thing the weed affects is the taste I get when I eat ice cream or the level of intensity while making love. And if you dont overdo it, it's a great stimulator for such things. Sorry that you'll be missing out on such simple pleasures of life but you know even one sip is bad for you. It would deepen your condition. Well, you can at least still have a beer every now and then... 
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posted October 29, 2022 04:48 AM |
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When Sal said 5 IQ, so I came mind in grey matter. Yes I quote from wikipedia says "High alcohol consumption has been correlated with significant reductions in grey matter volume. Short-term cannabis use (30 days) is not correlated with changes in white or grey matter."
Read full grey matter
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posted October 29, 2022 09:16 AM |
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artu said:
Arent you tired of embarrasing yourself, fredo?
for me to embarrass myself, i'd have to have made a mistake. which i didn't.  hey, speaking of embarassments, don't you have an appointment with that super-gay oil wrestler? did you already forget your cave-exploring plans? better hit that hookah and get a move on; you're late.
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posted October 29, 2022 09:28 AM |
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artu said:
Nope, the only parameter in addiction level is not the person. You cant accidently die of a sugar overdose overnight. It can lead to deadly health issues but it is not the same thing, people dont rob drugstores or bypassers in order to get a litte dose of sugar or coffee.
People die from alcohol overdose and longterm alcohol abuse just fine. But you won't overdose on medically controlled stuff that always comes in the same concentration. Keep in mind that illegal drugs are not the real thing, but a mix of all kinds of stuff. If sugar was illegal, people WOULD die of sugar, because their "sugar" was diluted with bleach.
And people die from sugar shock anyway. And alcoholics don't rob people either, because that stuff is legal. If a drug is legal, there is no need to rob people.
You are guilty of the same polemic argumentation you blamed Sal for.
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posted October 29, 2022 11:00 AM |
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fred79 said:
@ galaad, you never answered me on this:
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so, because people have longer life expectancies, that means the people pushing unhealthy snow have your best interests in mind?
is that what you're saying?
No. I'm just trying to give you food for thought. If so much unhealthy **** was being pushed as you say, then why is life expectancy getting longer over time?
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posted October 29, 2022 12:50 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
artu said:
Nope, the only parameter in addiction level is not the person. You cant accidently die of a sugar overdose overnight. It can lead to deadly health issues but it is not the same thing, people dont rob drugstores or bypassers in order to get a litte dose of sugar or coffee.
People die from alcohol overdose and longterm alcohol abuse just fine. But you won't overdose on medically controlled stuff that always comes in the same concentration. Keep in mind that illegal drugs are not the real thing, but a mix of all kinds of stuff. If sugar was illegal, people WOULD die of sugar, because their "sugar" was diluted with bleach.
And people die from sugar shock anyway. And alcoholics don't rob people either, because that stuff is legal. If a drug is legal, there is no need to rob people.
You are guilty of the same polemic argumentation you blamed Sal for.
Alcohol is not as severe as heroin or crack either, that is one of the reasons WHY it is legal almost everywhere, except for religious reasons in some theocracies. People dont rob and kill for weed either, although it isnt legal and a regular user can find themselves on a situation where they can not find it. There is no "cold turkey" in weed. There are poor countries, that have sugar shortage periodically and nobody goes cold turkey on sugar either, certainly not hardcore enough to rob and kill.
For more addictive stuff, you have historical cases like the Chinese and opium, Detroit and crack, where addiction spread so fast and severe, it was treated like an epidemic, even called one. That can never be the case for sugar.
There was a drug in the U.S.A., Oxycontin, that was indeed medically subscribed but its addiction levels were higher than presumed, hundreds of thousands died, the company was even accused of giving false reports to the FDA about the addiction levels of the drug. People who got hooked on this drug indeed started it as a medicine, lots of them overdosed, they were regular people without "a hole in their life" as you would claim, how can you have a case like this if it was only about the person's psychology. Can you compare this to sugar shock, for real? That is stretching the boundries of an analogy on an absurd level.
Not to mention, sugar is a part of our daily diet in such a way that comparing it to heroin is like going into a debate about banning military grade assault rifles with the argument "let's ban kitchen knives too, then" because it is "the people that kill."
Of course, there is something called an addictive personality but it is also something gradual, not black and white, just like there are different substances with different addiction levels. There are combinations between these two, you have people of "iron will" who would almost never become addicts, even if you force feed them heroin for a year, they would overcome the physical addiction (cold turkey phase) quickly and move on, then, on the other end of the spectrum, there are people who can even get addicted to snacks. The speed, intensity, dangers, mental impairment of the addiction differs from substance to substance, it's an equation with two variables, not one.
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posted October 29, 2022 12:58 PM |
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@ galaad: i have all the food for thought i ever need. i think people are living longer because they're infinitely more comfortable. they have most of their consumption needs met. i don't think that has anything whatsoever to do with what scum push on the public.
@ artu: man, you were doing great, right up until you claimed that someone being force-fed heroin for a year wouldn't be an addict. that's the only bullsnow statement you made in that post.
to chime in regarding the oxycontin pushing, that was by design. oxycontin is the white-man's crack. pushed by the same kind of people, for the exact same reason: weaken and divide the populace.
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posted October 29, 2022 01:19 PM |
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@ artu
You are mixing a couple of things here that should not be mixed.
1) You cannot compare legal and illegal drugs because you don't know what an illegal drug exists of. "Heroin" isn't actually heroin, cocaine isn't actually cocaine and even hash isn't hash. So effects are actually not comparable - or comparable only in countries where the drugs are legal. You know, however, what would happen if alcohol was illegal - same effect. You wouldn't actually know what you were drinking, buying illegal stuff (and for a lot of money).
Same with sugar. Imagine, sugar was an illegal substance. What you'd get as sugar would be sugar in name only.
2) Making something legal isn't the same as selling it in the supermarket. If you look at the cocaine situation, for example, you have it legal (in certain quantities) in Peru, Columbia and Mexico (which means you can buy it on the market) while it is "decriminalized" in a lot more countries (like Argentina). Medical drugs aren't available in the supermarket either, while alcohol in most countries is.
3) Medical drugs are prescribed. That is, people are SUPPOSED to take them (for or against something). They don't do it willingly. Most stuff is on morphine/opiate base against pain. People who take that over some time develop a physical dependency, that is, if the stuff is withdrawn they suffer withdrawal symptoms for some time.
But you have to keep in mind what all that stuff, like fentanyl and oxycodon and also heroin is - a PAIN killer (and that includes a numbing that certain people who are suffering from something like and want because it stops the "pain". These people would become addicted anyway, physical withdrawal or not, and would continue to be addicted as long as they suffer from pain. If it's a never-ending pain, like with an incurable illness or damage, well, the addiction doesn't matter much, obviously. If it's more of a mental pain, that makes you susceptible for this kind of drug, you will be addicted as long as that pain continues, so the actual cure is psychological treatment, a change of scenery and family situation and so on.
Why is it wrong again to make drugs legal and decriminalize them?
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artu
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posted October 30, 2022 07:24 AM |
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JJ, sofists didnt last. You cant outsmart simple facts:
There are many painkiller medicines, a specific one caused controversy because it was more addictive. That specific painkiller drug was more addictive than other painkiller drugs.
If you had a 15 year old kid and you walk into his/her room, busting him/her smoking a joint or doing the heroin needle wouldnt be the same. I can entertain how you would object to this but it would only be entertainment.
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posted October 30, 2022 09:20 AM |
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That's a nonsensical point, because it wouldn't happen, because pushing yourself a needle into a vein is a pretty high hurdle and 15-year-olds doing that won't do it "for kicks". Not in these times. A 15-year-old pushing a heroin needle into their arm in their room would have fundamentally massive problems to do so.
Let me repeat that. To become addicted to a drug you must LIKE the effect of the drug. If you don't like it (and I don't think anyone who smokes liked the experience of their first smoke) you must get the impression from something that you don't get it and should further try. Which may be possible with smoking (less so now than, say, 50 years ago, but still), but believe me the effect of heroin (especially considering it would be clean, undiluted stuff), couldn't be mistaken.
And that's the point you don't seem to get: if you don't like what you get - the numbness, the detachedness, the not-caring-for-anything, een if you puke right beside where you sitting, unable to actually to something for a time until yor system has adjusted...
You must crave for that, meaning you must in some way or other SUFFER from your regular life, and in a massive way to keep at it, and if you ARE, as I said, you are a case for a psychologist/therapist anyway.
Other example. In my time cocaine was heavily diluted with speed (probably because the clients came to expect that effect, but I've read that undiluted cocaine doesn't actually have that effect at all and makes you happy and feel good in a very mild way). When I tried it, I couldn't stand the effect because I had no calm in me anymore. Couldn't sit, had to DO something, move, go somewhere, drive, dance, whatever, but not sit around with people and talk. I absolutely HATED that (but might have loved the effect of the real thing).
And here we come to the crux, because as we all know cocaine has been completely legal once, which is how Coca-Cola got their name. It was sold as a tonic and people in rural regions of the US had a bottle at home in case they got a cold or had a stomach problem, because it helped and put the country doctors out of profession, mostly, which was probably one of the main reasons it got banned in the first place - Aspirin, but better (and if you consider how successful THAT one was...).
Lastly, a 15-year old obviously couldn't get heroin legally, even if its use and production wasn't illegal. Keep in mind that heroin is used in Britain as a medical drug.
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posted October 30, 2022 09:29 AM |
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In Spain you cannot get Cannabis, if you haven't experienced before, and you should Cannabis club member, so you get 3g of Cannabis per day, but you smoke in the Coffeeshop.. It can be only way..
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posted October 30, 2022 10:52 AM |
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retarded argument, jj. crack was ILLEGAL when it created the epidemic and led to the collapse of the some of the greatest cities in the U.S.
imagine if it had been legal.
if you have never been around druggies, or know anything about that culture(which you clearly don't), you would know EXACTLY why making something more widespread by legalizing it, would do infinitely more harm than good.
you need to(but won't/can't) consider the kinds of people taking those drugs. even when they're illegal, people were using hard drugs, and those kinds of people are dangerous(combine this with their tendency towards stupidity, and it's a particularly volatile mix. add to that, that regular use of drugs and alcohol kill brain cells. add to that, those same types of people watch all kinds of retarded snow while they are drugged; which further exacerbates the stupidity issue).
and, soft drugs lead to hard drugs; i and everyone i've ever known who has ever taken drugs(besides a scant few who don't because they're in the military and they get drug-tested periodically), have all moved on to try harder stuff. i know two people right now(i used to know 3, before he was killed because he was high and did something he shouldn't have while he was), who smoke weed all day long. ALL day long. and they're BOTH numbskulls.
i mean, alcohol is legal, and look at how much stupidity, bad decisions, and damages THAT causes to people's lives. and you want to legalize ALL drugs. that is snowING stupid. how you could even admit to believing something THAT stupid? and you completely don't get how STUPID that is, because you don't ever actually THINK about anything.
and you personally want it legalized for EVERYONE, why? so YOU can smoke legally. how HUMANITARIAN of you, jj.
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posted October 30, 2022 11:07 AM |
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For one who tried cannabis for health reasons, it became very addictive in less than one week of daily usage. Took then one month to get out from that spiral and forget about. Then the cost was about 20 euros for every 2-3 days of smoking + 10 or so for the cigarettes needed to put stuff in, so do the math for one month.
The criminality, health issues and economic deadlocks will blow up for the low income class.
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Galaad
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posted October 30, 2022 11:17 AM |
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posted October 30, 2022 11:20 AM |
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@Sal AFAIK there is no physical dependency to weed, so is just about will to get out from. Unlike harder stuff like mentioned above.
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posted October 30, 2022 11:31 AM |
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The right way is cake, spice.. When tobacco and smoke are harmful.. In Holland they use a herbal plant, not tobacco.. It's free to take herb.. But orthodox cake, spice.. I put Cannabis which has no THC in minced meat, it tasted like heaven.. My friends love too..
In Spain, the Cannabis club is an unattainable profit. 1g costs 5€, and so they can't pay to workers well, etc
If legal in Finland, I use to grow Cannabis for free.. I don't sell.. Impossible! But in Holland, you buy 1g 10-15€ from Coffeeshop, and in the street you always buy 1g 50% cheaper.. It's Hashish..
Ok Sal..
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posted October 30, 2022 11:32 AM |
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Ghost, I don't think cannabis will change anything about you in particular.
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posted October 30, 2022 01:45 PM |
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You don't SMOKE dope anymore (with or without tobacco). Instead you use a vaporizer, which allows you to consume oil or resin or weed without burning the stuff. Instead, it's heated to the required temperature. THC is vaporized at a bit above 160 degrees Celsius, CBD is at higher temperature. At 190 degrees you get basically everything without any of the toxic effects that come with burning the stuff (at way higher temperature).
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posted October 30, 2022 03:17 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You don't SMOKE dope anymore (with or without tobacco). Instead you use a vaporizer, which allows you to consume oil or resin or weed without burning the stuff. Instead, it's heated to the required temperature. THC is vaporized at a bit above 160 degrees Celsius, CBD is at higher temperature. At 190 degrees you get basically everything without any of the toxic effects that come with burning the stuff (at way higher temperature).
yeah, nobody smokes actual weed anymore... ffs. any MORE nonsensical and utterly retarded things you want to say, that ALSO have nothing whatsoever to do with the negative impact of legalizing harmful substances for the masses, just because you want to get high legally, jj? anything ELSE you want to yammer on about obliviously while outright neglecting the destructive nature of the people attempting to legalize stupifying gateway drugs for the people they don't give a rat's ASS about?
please, do continue. your posts are particularly ILLUMINATING.
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