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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 02, 2025 08:21 AM |
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Oh also. I would really not want to see a watery centaur, that's just forced. Either a mythologically accurate one or none at all.
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted April 02, 2025 05:49 PM |
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted April 02, 2025 07:46 PM |
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Vatawna's specialization seems kind of insane. Just a free +25% mana with +5% every 2 levels?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 03, 2025 01:45 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 01:51, 03 Apr 2025.
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ANcientDRuids said:
Stevie said:
I thought about Kelpies but they are notoriously evil
As are Gremlins and fairytale creatures in general?
MattII said:
I would point out that the dragon in western myth is almost always evil as well, but still appeared in previous iterations of this faction.
Well, looking at it that way... I guess? It's a fair point, I'll agree to that.
ANcientDRuids said:
Stevie said:
Birdmen are about as mythical as the iriyad and the water pokemon.
I disagree. Besides, being in a M&M bestiary scores them more points in my book than being mythical.
Then we can't find common ground here. I couldn't care less about generic units even if they were part of M&M's compendium of creatures. Mythical for me. Don't want to tolerate low effort lineups because that's what we'll get.
ANcientDRuids said:
Stevie said:
And you put this in between the taloned druids and the phoenix and the faction starts leaning too heavily into the birb-theme.
Didn't notice talons on druids, yeahhhh... I'd get rid of that. They should be as Troll-like as possible, the native population of Murmurwoods. But on the other hand, Iryads refer to Slavic Wyraj, a paradise-like dimension mostly populated by beautiful and colourful birbs. Rampart was dominated by horses, HOE's Sylvan leaning more into the birb theme? Why not.
Agree about the druid.
Iriyad is Unfrozen's invention. Them claiming it's derived from Slavic myth is a fancy way of saying they made it up.
The birb theme is apparent because that's what this faction tries to be, a Slavic-inspired "Sylvan". Birds carry souls between Wyraj and Earth in a cycle of death and reincarnation. Unfrozen adds another spin to that saying the souls are attuned to the elements and take their form. Faction is basically birds like Eith and his tribe, druids with claws, phoenixes, and spirits morphing into elementals, and I don't see the Sylvan in that.
Agree about the harpies in the next quote after this.
ANcientDRuids said:
Stevie said:
So I like the Kelpie as a creature related to the water element, just not if we think of this faction as "Sylvan", but rather as an elemental faction like Conflux or some other name. And I don't like the birdmen in either case.
In my mind Sylvan is enough of an umbrella term to house Sorceress/Rampart themes and the Preserve ones (if Elementals could fit there, then they should also fit in Sylvan). Actually one of the good things that Ashan introduced.
It's not an all-encompassing term like that to me. Also, Ashan didn't introduce Sylvan with elementals, it's HOE that wants to. And if you think Sylvan means Preserve, then H4 was the first to do it.
ANcientDRuids said:
Alternative names I thought up would be: Arborea, Mycelian, even ol' Grove. None of them are as universal thought.
Amazing, let's go with those. Even something from Slavic paganism will do.
MattII said:
Stevie said:
Birdmen are about as mythical as the iriyad and the water pokemon.
Except that they're very definitely mythical, per the Tengu of Japanese myth, which is occasiomally pictured with a bird's head, as well as Leigong/Leishen of Chinese myth with the same.
Birdmen doesn't mean tengu, or leigong, or garuda, or harpies necessarily. It means something as simple as anthropomorphized birds or humanoids with birdlike features. Not all birdmen are harpies, but all harpies are birdmen, so to say. Which means you have it backwards and my statement is correct. Also, with a look at Eith, what is he even? A tengu? A harpy? No, just a plain birdman according to the text. So with no mythical support to his case, we can't say that he's more than a generic anthropomorphic creature. And who cares about that.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted April 03, 2025 02:21 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 02:32, 03 Apr 2025.
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Stevie said:
MattII said:
Stevie said:
Birdmen are about as mythical as the iriyad and the water pokemon.
Except that they're very definitely mythical, per the Tengu of Japanese myth, which is occasiomally pictured with a bird's head, as well as Leigong/Leishen of Chinese myth with the same.
Birdmen doesn't mean tengu, or leigong, or garuda, or harpies necessarily. It means something as simple as anthropomorphized birds or humanoids with birdlike features. Not all birdmen are harpies, but all harpies are birdmen, so to say. Which means you have it backwards and my statement is correct. Also, with a look at Eith, what is he even? A tengu? A harpy? No, just a plain birdman according to the text. So with no mythical support to his case, we can't say that he's more than a generic anthropomorphic creature. And who cares about that.
Mm, the fact that the term includes the name 'men' indicates, to me at least, that there has to be at least one thing about it that is physically human, be it the head, upper body, arms, whatever. A normal-looking bird that can speak just isn't going to cut it.
But you know, that one of the good things about mythology, if you look hard enough you can find a creature looking like just about anything, even if it's in the myth of some long-dead barely-more-than-a-small-town-sized culture in the middle of Siberia, or southern Peru or wherever.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted April 03, 2025 06:45 AM |
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Edited by Ghost at 06:46, 03 Apr 2025.
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I'm just adding.. What I know birdmen are from the US.. And Russian mythology tells/says human-headed bird.. It after I checked my mythological creatures dictionary fast and short, I've found correct word Mothman, and we used birdman.. Ok Alkonost is from Russia or Slavic countries.. An example is enough.. Ok 
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