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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted June 23, 2002 08:09 AM |
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I agree with Oldtimer.
With all the combined gaming knowledge here a forum on New & favorite games other than HOMM would be a great idea.
Also perhaps a Technical forum for game related computer problems, fixes and patches.
I've seen quite a few posts lately with people whom are having video card difficulties and the like.
It would be a lot easier if there was a forum where you could post or browse for answers to the problems you may be experiencing.
Also if a post is posted in an inappropriate forum it should be moved to the relative forum(If this isn't the case already).
On a lighter note, a speel checker would be nise too!
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted June 23, 2002 10:55 AM |
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Aculias
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Cat I think that is thy biggest bull I heard here since a few months when thy other left.
You left on your own & as I can see you were treated quite well.
So dont try ta make you & Milena sound inocent
If you dont want ta post I am sure I can give a rats Crack as probally some.
Just because you send a pic people have ta jump & you thread a goddess.
Sure I made alot of enemies after my disputes with Milena but at least I been honest & dont run from a little issue that comes up.
So if you want to leave, well bye, just dont be coming here like ya own thy place & start posting were all pigs.
Checking for a possible explaination for Wesley's behavior, I came upon this thread and can't help saying a thing or two. Aculias, if I was ever mad with you, it's now. The world, boy, wasn't created just in order to insult Aculias. People were not born to make you feel bad. It's *you* who gets insulted and feel bad. You see offense where's none. And what's worse, *you* insult back. "start posting were all pigs". I wonder where Cat called anyone here a pig. However, I did NOT like the tone of your voice. Not even one bit. What urge do I have to stay around you when I get insulted just because my name is mentioned anywhere on the board?
And Cathy, thank you for this *huggles Cathy*. I'm sorry to hear you felt pushed out as well. I guess this is a new... or no-so-new trend. And I'm really, really, really not happy with it. When I waved goodbye I said I'd come back if there's place for me. At this point I see none. Too bad, too bad for the other members. They lost a very precious Responsible.
On the 29th Semptember 2001 I stumbled upon this place and I found it the most fascinating board I had seen. The most tidy, friendly, funny, jovial, social place. There was some complaint from Coldfyris about HC "degrading". No, it wasn't degrading at that time. It was a hilarious place. Just track down threads like "naked girls". I still find it among the best threads I have ever seen on any board if not the best. I don't remember having more fun than at that time. Then Shae Trielle left. Everything started falling apart. Was is that she lied she went to a trip? Was is that she went to a trip and didn't want to come back? I guess something very important happened to her because she even removed her e-mail from the hotmail domain. It wasn't when Wesley came back when the things went down. Actually, this just added some makeup to the whole situation. In January-February things went too fishy. ST wanted. Promising (at that time still something rare) members leaving. Look what happened? Shae Trielle - out. Wesley for assaults and spamming - out. Cat - out. Woockie - out. Rogue - out. Nickman - out. Unka and RMS - out (they appear just to remind people they're still alive, something like me). I come around and don't see a familiar face I respect. Unless we count guys like Hexa and Lith, of course. There's just the occasional spam disguised by other names, sometimes even glorified. I have n/c to the latter.
I hope there are better times to come for the HC. I still love it and remember it the way I saw it on the 29th. I wish you good luck with all.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 23, 2002 11:14 AM |
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I dont understand what you are saying what do you want.
I mean change is bound ta happen.
I seen it before it happened.
What do you want an apology.
I am not being sarcastic or mad.
HC changed but we are all thy same.
New people come all thy time.
It seems we are battling each other when it should be peace & I looked at everyone like me best friends.
SOmetimes I take your guys post wrong way yes no.
Who ever has a problem gotta come forth instead of letting them win by leaving.
I am so easy to talk to & I know you remember for many months I was one of thy nicest.
I greeted all new comers Cat & all with as much charm as I had.
If I did somethang wrong you gotta let me know.
You cant expect everythang ta stand still because this community is like RL.
You just gotta face it.
Shae left because most likely she have a new life mayhaps even a family & really dont have time & I think it's unfair that you judge all of us to her.
Why dont we try ta be reasonable & fair & thangs can work out.
I know I started alot of friction but thangs can always be worked out.
Running is not thy answer.
If people here miss you guys then lets work it out.
We are working hard ta keep this better & yes I know I was against & these threads were made from thy profanity Wesley been posting but as you can see we worked on it.
There are always a reason for everythang but you gotta remember time wont stond still & changes are a way of life.
Never forget how it was but dont dwell over it.
I had fun too in when I first came in but I dealt with thy change.
I will do my best I promise 
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Romana
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted June 23, 2002 12:33 PM |
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, if I was ever mad with you, it's now. The world, boy, wasn't created just in order to insult Aculias. People were not born to make you feel bad.
Time to listen to your own advice Milena
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Gimmickless
Promising
Known Hero
Cannon Maker
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posted June 23, 2002 01:05 PM |
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Speaking of reapperances from the shadows...
I'm still around every now and again, but I really haven't thought about talking here. Fact is, I believe every message board has a limited shelf life. A core group of people (say 20 or so) chat about their opinions about life, the universe, and other things. AFter about a year or two, pretty much everything that has been said, has been said by those who cared about being here. Unless a fair amount of people come in with open minds and voice them to spike the thought pool...things just grow stagnant.
About a year ago, this place was awesome. (Has is really been that long since I came here?) Sha_Men, Shae, Oldtimer, Ozzy...a bunch of other names that I've forgotten...we were the core back then. I miss Shae. I miss Sha_Men. But they've all said their piece. And I've said mine. I am content to stand here in the shadows and come here and watch a new core form. Besides, I can't think of anything to say that already hasn't been said yet. I am not online enough to happen on a topic that hasn't already voiced my opinion.
Enough reminiscing, though. Back to the shadows I go, with the small but vain hope that a few that remember me might send me a PM or two.
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted June 23, 2002 01:09 PM |
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<<Time to listen to your own advice Milena>>
Should I sense some sarcasm, Romy? :-(
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Milena
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 23, 2002 01:11 PM |
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Well you are proving her point.
One thangs said fact or not & you throw a fit & run.
Just grow up & face it like I do.
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 23, 2002 01:23 PM |
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All the negative comments I've heard so far contain only one thing. Lack of responsibility.
"many members have left HC already because they got fed up with the whole stagnant atmosphere"
"I will see if the community becomes the kind of place I feel happy to post in again"
"the quality of the threads nowadays has been sinking worse than Titanic"
"Too many threadkillers around"
I read your complaints as this: The reason that I do not do my best to contribute to this community is that other people should do it first. Your complaints distilled.
Guess what? Every other member thinks the same. Each one of us is waiting until somebody else makes an effort, before making our own effort.
I concider all of this really unfair. Its obvious that you dont know my history around here, when i first got here this place were a creative and funny place to be. Ive never been a threadstarter since i dont give myself the time around here to come up with something. Instead I was one of the people that tossed around much, we broke the pattern around here and spiced up some threads. And judging on the feedback i got its was appreciated by many.
Lately however there has been really little "tossing" around this place from me and the other tossers. One of the reasons for that is the material around here has been sinking alot, so therefor ive taken my responsibility and tried to shape things up. Most of my posts has been written in a serious manner to point things out for people that doesnt understand whats happening.
The reason im telling you this is that one of the comments you mentioned earlier was mine. And i am trying to take my responsiblity now, if you check around i have been sharing advice to make this place a better one. Ive even started a new thread which i can promise you takes alot of my time to update. And judging on posts lately id say its one of the most popular threads for now. Thats why i think that attack of yours was unfair, even if most people around this place may lack in taking responsibility there are people that does take it. And a post like that isnt encouraging to continue to do so.
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted June 23, 2002 01:45 PM |
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Blah blah blah.........why don't you all take it to a forum called "I want my mummy"?
Where you can snow about each other without cluttering up threads at HC.
I for one am sick of reading these it was her, no it was him, posts all over the place!!
The rest of us don't give a toss!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 23, 2002 01:47 PM |
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Well mostly those who dont give a toss dont post
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 23, 2002 01:57 PM |
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LOL Acu
However, another thing comes to my mind while thinking about this. Its true that everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves, but id say this also has alot to to with authority people making examples themselves. Like you (Valery) has done now, now you got (most) people talking in a adult way around here about something that is interesting.
What i would like to see is other authority people here doing the same. After all, by being a moderator they do have more responsibility around here and should act there after. With this im not trying to say that its all up to them because we all know its down to each member. But someone has to lead the example and that to me sounds like something the mods should do.
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted June 23, 2002 01:59 PM |
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Well mostly those who dont give a toss dont post
Maybe so but they still have to read all these stupid posts which mean nothing to anyone but those who post them!
Anyway I better stop posting or I'll fall into the same category LOL!!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 23, 2002 02:04 PM |
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Did you just skin through this thread or read it complete yes no.
You would see that we are trying ta talk it out & it takes everyone involved.
So just sit back & see what happens Elric, it is best you dont get involved
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted June 23, 2002 02:13 PM |
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Did you just skin through this thread or read it complete yes no.
You would see that we are trying ta talk it out & it takes everyone involved.
So just sit back & see what happens Elric, it is best you dont get involved
*Sits back and waits to see what happens*
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haile73
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2002 03:06 PM |
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well, many people might be surprised to hear that I'm longer here than most of you. I've never been much of an active poster, it's just not my cup of tea.
However, having been here so long, I agree to Gimmickless to a certain extent that a message board has only limited dynamics.
During my time I must have seen at least 5 "best movies", 5 "favourite quotes", 5 "favourite games", etc. and 20 "I'm leaving" threads. And the "HC is not what it used to be" topic isn't new either.
Thing is that the tavern is - more or less - for small talk and there is not too much diversity in small talk topics. Hence, after some time there just isn't anything more to say.
As for the other forums, HoMM3 is really getting old and most of the people interested in it know everything they need to know by now. HoMM4 is sorta disappointing and not bringing many interesting things to discuss. (imwo, w as in "worthless" )
The ToH forum is still as "busy" as it was back in June 2001, so not much of a change there.
So I think the dramaturgy I've seen here recently is way exagerrated (again, imwo) - if I feel I have to say something, I will post it. Otherwise I'm coming here to IM with some friends I've managed to make over the past year(s).
As for posting something constructive, how about giving an "Ignore" option for IMs? I've heard that some members here have been flooded by mean IMs and such an option might help a great deal.
-haile73
[edit] I almost forgot to mention that I feel very sorry that some people have left HC or are planning to do so, esp. Cat, Jiels and Shae. But I guess they know that anyways...
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HALT
Known Hero
Knight of Justice
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posted June 23, 2002 04:07 PM |
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Edited By: HALT on 23 Jun 2002
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Thunder and Oldtimer are right HC needs a new fresh ideas such as new topics new interests. Something that will attract people. Think. As Thunder said before HC is dying. Dying because people do not see anything in here any more. The ones who staying are people whom interesting in the friendship more than the game itself. Look how many people left and lost they faith in heroes after H4 got out. Something has to be done besides operational staff. Val and mods do operations but we (members) have to come up with some thing new.
1. A small thing that iv been thinking about is what if people with 4-5 red stars (Cat, Thunder, Djive etc) will receive rights to moderate there own threads and delete posts from their own threads only. Again look around Shae, Milana Cat left the HC just because thayr threads were flooded with flamers with stupid posts and attacks. And what if owner of the thread could deleted all this flame? Thread would be looking cleaner.
2. And second thing I was thinking about was that IMs should have an ignore baton or blocking of some sort. That the people who receive a lot of trash from the flamers could block them.
3. For the God sake pleas fix this stupid ghost massage from 1969.
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Romana
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted June 23, 2002 04:16 PM |
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hmm..yes Milena ..perhaps it was a bit sarcastic..But what you were saying about aculias counts for you as well..I know you hun and I didn't mean to attack you or something..But you have the urge to speak your mind in a rapid way also
Maybe we all have that trait in us too judge things too fast..or too slow for that matter.
And I also had my fair share of it
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Maniac
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 23, 2002 06:36 PM |
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Edited By: Maniac on 23 Jun 2002
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24hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Horrible! I'm defeated...*goes away crying like a baby* .
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted June 23, 2002 10:31 PM |
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I'll try to make some interpretations.
"I mean change is bound ta happen."
I'm sure Milena and Cat both realize that things changes. Things can change the natural way or changes can be pushed. Many of the recent changes to the HC have been pushed onto the members.
"What do you want an apology."
Should the offended party have to ask for an apology, Aculias? What sincerity do you expect such an apology will have? As a bye-stander, I'd say yes an apology would be nice. Your reply to the message Cat sent in was very rude in my opinion, and you seemed to have realised that. Yet, there is no apology from you saying that you're sorry.
"HC changed but we are all thy same."
No, at least to certain degree, people change when a Forum changes. You've said yourself that you've changed during your time at HC. In times of change you change the most.
"It seems we are battling each other when it should be peace & I looked at everyone like me best friends."
You don't get peace by saying that you want it. You have to work to get it. Every time you press "Submit Reply", you should have asked yourself. Does this post add to peace in the forum? And preferrably, you should have thought of before you started to make the post.
To find out a bit about how you get and keep Peace in a Forum have a look at Val's peace philosophy which he added to the FAQ. It's quite good.
"Who ever has a problem gotta come forth instead of letting them win by leaving."
You can't require people to behave in a certain way. What is required on your part is to try to understand the actual problem at hand.
Part of the problem is seen in your reply to their posts in this thread. My observation is that you don't really seem to be reading their posts. You don't answer the specific problems they've asked about. Instead you evade the discussion.
"I am so easy to talk to & I know you remember for many months I was one of thy nicest."
I have to contest the first statement. In my opinion you are moody, Aculias. Moody people are difficult to speak with, and you have a tendency to lash out at people when they say something you do not like. This lashing happens at unpredictible times and for hard-to-see reasons. The other one I agree with. You were nicer before.
"If I did somethang wrong you gotta let me know."
I just have.
"You cant expect everythang ta stand still because this community is like RL."
I believe that Cat and Milena would like to see HC develope in the good way. Developement means change. What I believe is lacking for their part is respect and acknowledgement. Or even normal courteous behaviour in the threads they create and post in.
"Shae left because most likely she have a new life mayhaps even a family & really dont have time & I think it's unfair that you judge all of us to her."
You signed up a month after she left. I don't know what you mean about the "judge" part. I don't think anyone hold you responsible in any way for Shae leaving. You came here after she left, so why would anyone attempt this?
"Running is not thy answer."
I hate to say it, but running is a normal reply to this situation. You've unfortunately, given them another reason to run by your reply to Cat's message in this thread.
If you are treated by such a message every time you post, you will very quickly either leave the forum for something else or a flame war will erupt.
You must stop viewing Cat & Milena as trying to "own the Tavern" and controlling everything which happens in it. Instead acknowledge that they contribute to the HC in their own way just as you try to contribute to HC in your way.
"We are working hard ta keep this better & yes I know I was against & these threads were made from thy profanity Wesley been posting but as you can see we worked on it."
It would be intersting to know which activities you're working on and have worked on. So come on. Let us know how you intend to make HC a better place to be.
The rest of this post is about your message to Cat. Some have already mentioned it and it seems you have gotten the message. I will anyway give you some of my comments on it. Adding some more details on what I think you are doing wrong.
"Cat I think that is thy biggest bull I heard here since a few months when thy other left."
You have said that you wanted us to reason and work this out. If you truely want to reason, then the above sentence is a no-no. To reason you must listen, read, and understand. Then you must be prepared to compromise and reason. If you discard the other parties message as irrelevant then you're not open to reasoning/discussion.
"You left on your own & as I can see you were treated quite well."
Not a well placed sentence after you've just dismissed Cat's opinions as irrelevant. Treated quite well? You just treated her badly.
"So dont try ta make you & Milena sound inocent"
I haven't read all that much in the Tavern, but as far as I know they're 'innocent'. From what I've seen their conduct is strictly better than yours and most of their sharp language are replies after you've posted something (often in the same style as the post I'm talking about here) that had made them angry.
"If you dont want ta post I am sure I can give a rats Crack as probally some."
Err... I need a translation on what you really meant on this one... No wait, forget it. I don't really want to find out.
"Just because you send a pic people have ta jump & you thread a goddess."
This is offensive not only to Cat but also to me. The Temple of Worship is in my opinion an RPG thread about a Temple with Goddesses.
The setting is that Cat is a Goddess. If you want to post there, then live with that. If you can't live with it, then don't post there. If you don't post there, then don't complain that the thread exists. All of this to keep peace on the forum. Again, look at Val's peace philosophy as to how members should act in these situations.
And let me remind you that nothing prevents you from creating your own Temple with yourself as God, and link in a picture of yourself to the thread.
"So if you want to leave, well bye, just dont be coming here like ya own thy place & start posting were all pigs."
Nothing extra to add. I believe others have already commented on this one.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 24, 2002 06:57 AM |
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I'm just sitting in Awed I dont understand what I really said or did wrong I always been nice to everyone.
DOnt you think you are being unfair Djive?
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