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RainBow
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Supreme Flirt & Cyber Gypsy
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posted June 24, 2002 07:02 AM |
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Well I cant speak for others and nor do I have the knowledge too but I can speak for me and have to say since I first landed here at Heroes a few months ago now Aculias you have been never anything but nice to me Thankyou  as well as many other people here I now consider friends......
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Tortoise
Known Hero
Master of Reptiles.
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posted June 24, 2002 07:40 AM |
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That's like that funny and somewhat ironic saying..
Nice guys finish last?
Which I would regretfully have to say is very true.
Me myself being the nice guy  just got pushed aside by my girlfriend for a better deal. I didn't really know the guy that well but I didn't like him. He had a car, money the status.. He's a player. So us nice guys do finish last. Maybe some people just wanted to come first more than being friendly?
Just a thought...
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All living things have a history. The history of the Tortoise is long and rich.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 24, 2002 07:46 AM |
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Tortoise I remember you.
IYou not posted much but I remember.
It seems why you were not remembered is a popularity thang yes no?
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Dreaming of a Better World
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Tortoise
Known Hero
Master of Reptiles.
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posted June 24, 2002 07:51 AM |
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Well ya that's exactly my point. Its kind of degrading that some people can be so insensitive to some people. Not that I mind... But if somebody were say suicidal? And the only place they felt they belonged to was here? And they got trashed up and flamed? well say goodbye to them.... Not a nice thought but it could be a reality, which so many communities and forums all over the web i'm sure its happened to somebody...
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All living things have a history. The history of the Tortoise is long and rich.
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Romana
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted June 24, 2002 09:20 AM |
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I've been thinking and the thread IS called US as a community..which means there should be room for everyone..
We all have different personalities and I guess the main problem is misunderstandment or misinterpretation or whatever you would call it..
The reason for this is *in my opinion* that we can't see the body language like we do in RL or facial expressions..
I dislike this thread becoming a lets all *attack* Aculias for his comment..
Djive ..you talk about listening(reading) and understanding..it seems you have been reading but not understanding..correct me if I'm wrong ok?
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 24, 2002 10:29 AM |
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As to all my friends here... I miss you, and most of you know where you can find "Glory"... and her guinea pig chums  Be good and Stiven, I see you aren't tossing as much as usual... get back to work!
I made a mistake & in dif countries I am not used to no.
when she said to all my friends I miss you that is cool then she said.
& I thought she meant thy ones she dispised can can find only Guinea pig chums.
LOL sorry my fault lol.
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted June 24, 2002 11:25 AM |
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Edited By: Djive on 24 Jun 2002
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"I'm just sitting in Awed I dont understand what I really said or did wrong I always been nice to everyone.
DOnt you think you are being unfair Djive?"
You have not always been nice to Cat and Milena. They are angry at you, and the reason is that you have done things to them which they perceive as not nice.
What exactly is it you don't understand?
What exactly am I being unfair about?
My post goes into everything in as much detailas I can go. Comment on the things you don't understand or I am being unfair about. I would try to comment but the result will simply be a longer post which will not be any clearer.
Romana:
"Djive ..you talk about listening(reading) and understanding..it seems you have been reading but not understanding..correct me if I'm wrong ok?"
You have to be more specific than that Romana. What exactly am I not understanding?
I may not have the complete picture of everything that has happened, since I don't read all the threads in the Tavern. But that doesn't seem to be what you hint at.
*Attack Aculias*? If I really wanted to attack Aculias I would have worded my post differently. I realise that the post is painful for Aculias to read, but he has asked in this thread to work out the problem and to be told what was wrong.
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SubZero
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 24, 2002 12:15 PM |
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Do I have to say anything?
Quote:
Fact is, I believe every message board has a limited shelf life. A core group of people (say 20 or so) chat about their opinions about life, the universe, and other things. AFter about a year or two, pretty much everything that has been said, has been said by those who cared about being here. Unless a fair amount of people come in with open minds and voice them to spike the thought pool...things just grow stagnant.
Gimmickless has said exactly what my thoughts are...
The core that was then here has almost gone.
I miss you too, pal
It's time for "new" members to step in and start discussing about everything this world, this reality holds.
Example Sir_Stivens idea about soccerthread was good. Of course it's not forr everybody's taste but it's good start.
It's strange that there are members that always are critizing others about degeration but don't do anything about it. Of course issues like threadkilling should be stopped but otherwise it's much about yourself.
There are still some members that try to hold the line and keep this community alive.
Saying there isn't problem doesn't help the problem go away.
MAIN POINT:
Does people here have anything to discuss about anymore (more that hello&goodbye) or is this place finished?
It's up to you.
SubZero aka Sha_Men
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted June 24, 2002 03:41 PM |
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My Actions
A word is empty unless it is backed up with action which makes it ring true. A word that is kept creates trust and respect.
I invite you to think about this:
How much of what you say a member should do is done by you?
When you call upon others to change, are you an example of your own advice? Who would want to follow an empty advice that even it's giver does not follow? Be your advice before you give it so that other may see what good comes of it.
Here is what I've done today:
1) Floodprotect now varies depending on QP count, as described in my first post of this thread. Four red stars free you of floodprotect.
2) Moderators can now reset signatures and custom statuses of members to blank. Members with less than two red stars cannot update their signature or custom status.
3) FAQ has been updated to reflect these changes.
4) New thread ratings. You will see them. Members with 5 or more red stars can now rate topics.
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You can wait for others to do it, but if they don't know how, you'll wait forever.
Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted June 24, 2002 05:34 PM |
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When there are no tongue, there are no speech.
When there are no hearing, there are no listeners.
When there are no opinions, there are no discussion.
Halt, I didn't say that HC is dead, I only said if HC is dead then it has always been dead.
Sha_men, if HC isn't alive for you, it doesn't mean that it is dead for rest of us. Or, at least, people are having their fair share of carcass.
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raZor_X
Promising
Known Hero
The mysterious Warlock
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posted June 24, 2002 05:47 PM |
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About recent happenings...
Hi
I, just like Haile, am around here since the beggining, even in the old Heroes Community, which was a peacefull place, and look I'm around, I'm still around. The point of all this is simple, ingnore the posts you dont like, and read the ones that you like. Running away is not an option, cuz you solve nothing...
I think that the problem here is that everyone is right from their point of view. Judge as if you were in "the-one-that-you-are-judging" clothes, and then ask yourself, IS THIS RIGHT.
Djive said to Acuilas:
"You have not always been nice to Cat and Milena. They are angry at you, and the reason is that you have done things to them which they perceive as not nice."
Well, Acuilas did things which they Percieved as not nice, what if they did something that Acuilas percieved as not nice and acted upon it, you cannot blame him for this, nor you can blame them, nor you can blame anyone. Everyone, involved in such a fight or missunderstanding, has to step back and take a breath and think if this is good for ourselves and good for the community, which is propably not.
Somewhere in this thread Milena wrote that, "she is out and will return later to see if there is a place for her". NO, there is not a place for anyone if you dont make it by yourself, you cannot run from your own home and wait till someone else fixes things on your home, you have to do it by yourself. All I'm trying to say is that every member should contribute to the community, just like Val said.
So lets make this place a better place, cuz it is our home...
raZor_X
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Romana
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted June 24, 2002 06:17 PM |
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that was exactly my point razor..But you can obviously put it better in words..and that's what i was talking about Djive..that you might have misunderstood aculias as well
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted June 24, 2002 07:24 PM |
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Edited By: Djive on 24 Jun 2002
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Djive said to Acuilas:
"You have not always been nice to Cat and Milena. They are angry at you, and the reason is that you have done things to them which they perceive as not nice."
Well, Acuilas did things which they Percieved as not nice, what if they did something that Acuilas percieved as not nice and acted upon it, you cannot blame him for this, nor you can blame them, nor you can blame anyone. Everyone, involved in such a fight or missunderstanding, has to step back and take a breath and think if this is good for ourselves and good for the community, which is propably not.
=> Yes, I agree Aculias is not the only one to blame. Harsh words have been going both ways. My post does not deny this fact. It simply does not mention it, because I didn't see anything that Aculias could learn/act on in that part of the discussion.
(=>Added: I don't *blame* anyone for how things have become. At least I've tried to avoid assigning blame in the post. There might still be some as it's very difficult to avoid in this type of post.)
=> When it comes to the conflict at hand. I can't see either Milena or Cat taking the first step to solve it, to some degree they have already left. So if we want a chance for Cat and Milena returning then Aculias has to take the first step. Like it or not, it's either that or the chances are very small that we will see any of them returning.
=> Aculias have friends on HC who will no doubt give him advice and back him up from their side. His side is not the weak one in this conflict. It's the strong one. As you can see this kind of support and advice is already happening. But how many speaks for Cat and Milena in this conflict?
'Somewhere in this thread Milena wrote that, "she is out and will return later to see if there is a place for her". NO, there is not a place for anyone if you dont make it by yourself, you cannot run from your own home and wait till someone else fixes things on your home, you have to do it by yourself.'
=> When it comes to Milena don't you think she's made this place her home already? A home which (I believe in her mind)has been hit by something which makes it more or less unusable for her? Does a home ever stop being a home in the mind of the person who considered it a home and lived there for many months?
=> To me it sounds like she would return if she could and if the climate on HC was friendlier.
"All I'm trying to say is that every member should contribute to the community, just like Val said.
So lets make this place a better place, cuz it is our home..."
=> Yes, that is the general idea. So let's make this a good home.
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Cat
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted June 24, 2002 10:09 PM |
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Well... a very wise individual (my bio-dad), once told me that a good socialist always puts something back into society (comunity, whatever).
I notice that when I am silent I am misheard the most.. people have been reading between the lines of my previous post in ways I never imagined. Now, to give:-
Djive said to Acuilas:
"You have not always been nice to Cat and Milena. They are angry at you, and the reason is that you have done things to them which they perceive as not nice."
Well, Acuilas did things which they Percieved as not nice, what if they did something that Acuilas percieved as not nice and acted upon it, you cannot blame him for this, nor you can blame them, nor you can blame anyone. Everyone, involved in such a fight or missunderstanding, has to step back and take a breath and think if this is good for ourselves and good for the community, which is propably not.
=> Yes, I agree Aculias is not the only one to blame. Harsh words have been going both ways. My post does not deny this fact. It simply does not mention it, because I didn't see anything that Aculias could learn/act on in that part of the discussion.
(=>Added: I don't *blame* anyone for how things have become. At least I've tried to avoid assigning blame in the post. There might still be some as it's very difficult to avoid in this type of post.)
=> When it comes to the conflict at hand. I can't see either Milena or Cat taking the first step to solve it, to some degree they have already left. So if we want a chance for Cat and Milena returning then Aculias has to take the first step. Like it or not, it's either that or the chances are very small that we will see any of them returning.
=> Aculias have friends on HC who will no doubt give him advice and back him up from their side. His side is not the weak one in this conflict. It's the strong one. As you can see this kind of support and advice is already happening. But how many speaks for Cat and Milena in this conflict?
Phew! Well, firstly, I never said a thing regarding Aculias. I have learned to take the things he says with a pinch of salt as he rarely means the bad things he says... he may need to control his temper a little more, but he is always very sorry. I haven't actually spoken with him in a very long time, however. But I have said it in IM's and I will say it again...
Aculias:- I do not have and have never had a problem with you in any way, shape or form. Whenever you have been miserable, it was always me who IM'd you and asked you what was wrong. You know this. I prefer you when you are happy to moody- we all do. When you are happy you are a different person, a person we all like... all of us.
So that's that. The members that caused the bulk of the problem... well, I don't think it is my place to name them. They know for sure who they are, and one has been banned. But I agree with Djive... some support wouldn't have hurt. This is what Djive is doing now... I think true honour is fighting for a cause you aren't sure is lost but that you believe in. Djive truely deserves to be called "honourable". Regardless of wheather Djive is right or wrong, he is behaving in a way I respect. He is looking at things in an deconsruturalist manner, which is difficult do appear obejective whilst doing, but he is certainly achieving a good deal of clarity.
Another inspiration here is Oldtimer, who IM'd me and actually came to another site I visit and surprised me, which was very sweet. Again, a member who fits his title.. I know of few people more responsible, or with a more consistantly level head. OT is the perfect community member- serious but with a sense of humour. Another good example of this is Zud...
HALT also deserves more than a mention. His ideas are usually sound and he is a kind individual. I agree that we really have to get an excorcist in for that %^%$^!! ghost...
Now, Sir_Stiven. Not often the voice of reason, but recently he's been wiser than I thought. Once described but somebody as "The best of the tossers" (as in nicest) I can assure you that he has been trying hard to re-organise things. Much of this has gone unoticed. Not everybody makes a thread to prove a point. It isn't needed. Stiven shows the other way around.
Of course Val should get a mention here... Vals improvements were exactly what was called for in regard to those particular issues, which was useful. Much remains undone, but then again what can be done about it I have no idea (ie, threadkillers). He is concentrating and has taken the time to apply a personal touch to certain things, ie; e-mails. Appreciated. However, I must say that I did speak to the official channels (mods) regarding the things I wasn't happy with a while ago and there was nothing that could really be done. I do understand this, however.. threads such as "Lith should not be a mod" have sprung up due to the mods simply doing their jobs. At the end of the day, they have it worse, as they have a duty and can't come and go as they please. Hats off to all.
I have only scraped he surface here, but now comes the big bit.. Milena and Myself. Well, I cannot speak entirely for Milena a I am not a mindreader, but I can for myself. I hate giving things up, it puts me in a foul mood to go int "last resort mode". But as you can see, my custom says "compassionate leave" Compassionate leave is never permanent. I merely wished to while away some time while I took on the role of a watcher. It is not in my nature to flame and I'd rather take a passive than an agressive stance. However, I have been convinced by several people to make this post. So I have.
I do not regret my earlier post at all.. it brought things out in the open that needed to be cleared, and my only regret is not doing it sooner. I realise I should have. to quote Blake
I was angry with my friend; I told my friend
My wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe. I told it not
My wrath did grow
I regard the people here largly as my friends and maybe I should have come clean earlier.. my bad. But Milena and myself both felt.. um.. I can't think of the english word.. "sidelined?"... maybe.. just left out, un-supported and not listened to. Well, it turns out i had silent support in places I never knew i did. People who thought I could stick up for myself.. which to a degree I can. But I bet even Che Guivara had days when he thought "Oh, **** it, nobody listens to me. Nobody gives a flying one. I should just pack it in.".
I can't organise my thoughts very well outside of a disseratation or an structured debate... but I hope you've all got the jist. No abuse, no naming and shaming, just praise for people who have done good. Not to mention all those I left out. Those who made me miserable know who they are. That's enough. Remember- it takes guts to be gentle and kind, and when posting all of us should think it over before hitting reply. Treat people in a way that can't be misunderstood. If you have been misunderstood, apologise. An apology doesn't cost you anything, anything at all.
Be good all.. and remember.. behind every post is a person who has feelings and thoughts and beliefs. That is all.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 24, 2002 10:25 PM |
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Because Djive hates & playes fav & likes to put me down
I never did nothing I even IM her & really been nice & was curious & asked questions.
I can tell she hates me she bblames me 100%
I am not moody really.
I am always happy but sometimes I get mad & I do speak my mind.
SOme people hate others speaking their mind.
I treat people & think of them as rl too.
After she posted all that about me she made me fell really bad & she probally happy right now.
She dont know I am sensitive & take thangs to heart.
I think she was really hard on me & I felt really bad
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted June 24, 2002 10:45 PM |
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Damn no mention of me anywhere in there .... geeeez!@
You know how I like the attention
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Cat
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted June 24, 2002 10:47 PM |
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Aculias..
Now.. that is counter productive...
Djive has criticised my patch and stratergy ideas in the alter and Axeoth regularly.. but that's all in good spirit and a useful learning curve. I'd fell slighted if people just went, "oh yeah, thats good and can't be improved on". Don't take it to heart.
It is the opposite of tolerance to look for an enemy in everybody before you look for a friend. Remember the peace philosophy, and my personal favourite quote:-
"Every time you point one finger, three more point back at you"
Meaning everytime you judge somebody, you must be prepared to judge yourself by tripply hard standards. Go easy on Djive... she is like a good teacher and has no favourites. I move to reserve judgement on this and just agree to disagree and keep anything personal and major for IMs.. it's easier and keeps our dirty linen out of the threads.
I'm not saying we need a hippy commune here, but remember when I asked why we don't have a flame forum and Val says thats why we have IM's? Why don't you both dicuss this through those. But I assure you Djive has no favourites and takes no prisoners... just as you don't. I'm nowhere near that objective.. wish I was!
Be good x
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 24, 2002 10:48 PM |
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Hexa, then do something good to deserve it
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"Youre zeroes and ones, youre wrong where im right"
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 24, 2002 10:57 PM |
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I know but I always been nice to her I just dont get why everyone hates me when I am nice.
Thats why sometimes I I feel bad because everyone think you are moody when I really not
She does hate me.
She says I am moody & offensive
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted June 24, 2002 11:22 PM |
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Aculias first post:
Aculias. For the peace of the forum, I'll not comment (at length and in detail) on the things you said in this post.
The relationship between us was not being discussed, so why make it a topic? All the things you said about me in your post was uncalled for. In a conflict it's useless attacking/lashing out the mediator.
But Pray tell me Aculias...
How did your last post(s) add to the peace of the forum?
In which way did you make HC a nicer place to be?
How long did you consider my reaction/feelings to your post before pressing the Submit Reply button.
If you ask me how long time I spent on considering your feelings and taking away and restructuring my post to you, I'll tell you. I probably spent between 3-6 hours on trying to complete the post so I'd get the message through while at the same time doing as little damage to your feelings as possible. Did you pay me the same respect?
Your post answered none of the questions I asked. I'm still waiting for a reply.
Aculias second post:
"I know but I always been nice to her I just dont get why everyone hates me when I am nice.
Thats why sometimes I I feel bad because everyone think you are moody when I really not
She does hate me.
She says I am moody & offensive"
I don't hate you. (Nor do I blame you for anything.)
My opinion on your perosnality is that you are moody. When you are in bad mood you lash out at people. Just as you did in the first post.
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