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RedSoxFan3
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posted July 24, 2002 02:59 AM |
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QP Disputes
If you see something that you think should/shouldn't receive a +QP, then create a link to the exact thread and page where the post is. Then state the author of the post and which post it is. Explain why you think it deserves a +QP.
Ex:
Sir_Stiven - 1st post
He made and has been making good points of how some people aren't given bonuses, because of their reputation, not because of who they are. People have been responding in agreement. He deserves a +QP.
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If you see something that you think should/shouldn't receive a -QP, then create a link to the exact thread and page where the post is. Then state the author of the post and which post it is. Explain why you think it deserves a -QP.
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RedSoxFan3 - 9th Post
This -QP was obviousl given for swearing.
First, you can only see one offensive word. The other words only show asterisks. I don't consider (female dog) to be offensive unless it's used as a name. After all it's also a non-swear word.
Second, the only way that other members will know if I censored the words is by clicking quote reply and then reading the post that way. Who really does this anyhow? Most people don't even know how to do this.
Third, I've seen many people also use swears and get away with it. They even intentionally mispell the word so you can read it. Why do they not receive penalties where as I do receive a penalty when merely refering to them harmlessly?
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My examples are the first Recommendations to the mods.
Now you submit more
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted July 24, 2002 01:00 PM |
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To me the thread about RedSox losing a QP just proves my point. look in "burn stuff" thread for my arguments, to lazy to start something more up here now 
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Darion
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posted July 25, 2002 05:27 AM |
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How about a minus QP for this whining? Don't care about QP, care about the Heroes Community and contributing to it. If we keep complaining about QP, that privilege may be taken away entirely.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted July 27, 2002 01:32 AM |
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sooo, Hey redsox, whats next a thread about how often we get hair cut's?
(There's actually hidden dispute & humour in that statement.. Not original)
I would like to add, I feel I have no place in QP disputes.
I'm no one to question or argue, or ask..
I am peon "ready to work".
Splexx already said something almost exactly like that.
Look Here in the 6th post from the top.
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted July 27, 2002 01:46 AM |
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lol splexx got a QP for that? well..when some people around here "insults" they get penalties for it and when other people do it they actually get QP:s for it...wow i guess i still have lots to learn how this place works...
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted January 14, 2004 03:29 AM |
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im not the guy that usually revives thread but obviously this thread should be in turban tribunal and could work as a QP suggestion/dispute thread as i mentioned in my QP:s - a.... thread.
Thread should be cleaned first though.
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regnus_khan
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[ Peacekeeper of Equilibris ]
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posted January 15, 2004 07:47 PM |
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Could you give some examples of discussions, where can you get a QP? Types of threads or discussions, I mean.
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this_other_guy
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{0_o} heh...
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posted January 21, 2004 05:34 AM |
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LOL Redsox... kinda cruel that you lost a QP for that.. funny though hehe.
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redsoxfan3
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posted January 21, 2004 02:57 PM |
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Could you give some examples of discussions, where can you get a QP? Types of threads or discussions, I mean.
You can get a QP for any kind of post... except spam.
As long as it's one of the best posts in the forum, meaning funny, interesting, or simply gives great arguements and discussion. Although if you are QP hunting, I would recommend going to a forum that has poster of the month. Giving new insight to a majority of the threads consistantly will probably get you that award.
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regnus_khan
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[ Peacekeeper of Equilibris ]
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posted January 21, 2004 03:01 PM |
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 And which is January's one???
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Dingo
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God of Dark SPAM
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posted January 21, 2004 09:02 PM |
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January still has 10 more days in it. January isn't over.
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The Above Post/Thread/Idea Is CopyRighted by, The Dingo Corp.
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted February 16, 2004 02:58 AM |
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The abuse of power
I got an offical QP complaint now. Unfortunately i do not have the conversation left as the moderator who i had the heated discussion with and give me the penalty asked for another moderator to clean it up.
And despite my comment to leave the thread to be seen by valery she "cleaned it".
So here goes the story:
There is a thread in TOH/MAH section about recommending players for the most prestigeful award. MVP.
So i did that and i first mentioned two active ones and then two inactive ones that i believe deserves a mention aswell and lastly i wrote that i didnt think hexa deserved this award as i saw this name being brought up earlier.
As a reply to this hexa then wrote that me and my nominations were stupid because of none of them were still active (he obviously didnt read my post since i suggested 2 active ones aswell) which looked stupid indeed since i had done that too...which other members also pointed out in IM:s wondering what the hell he was talking about.
Then obviously he must had realised this as he deleted his own post.
But i had asked him what he was doing calling my nominations stupid when they were right in front of him. So we talked about that in two further posts aswell as voting/nominating the players we wanted to have as MVP.
Then he got off saying that this discussion was out of place and off topic and basically were blaming me for the whole thing. And i replied that i just kept replying to him explaining what i meant (i also gave further explanations what i meant for the two inactive ones to get awards for and mentioned other people for receving an honorary mention in some kind aswell). And i pointed out that he was to blame for this aswell since it was his stupidness who had taken this thread were it is because of his attacks that my nominations were stupid. And i mention his stupidness twice, just as many times as he had mentioned mine in that deleted post of this.
Then i get a penalty for this by this person im having the discussion with because of an "personal insult".
Thing is as i wrote in my last post in this thread is that i think this person didnt like me saying he didnt deserve the MVP, but instead of saying that to my face he hides behind calling me stupid because of my nominations and punishes me by giving me the most ridicioulus penalty im yet to see.
But i dont know what disturbs me the most, being given a penalty for such a ridicioulus reason or having the moderator im talking with giving it to me.
IMO you cant get anymore personal involved or biased in a situation than that. It should be a rule here that the moderator you are discussing with cant give you the penalty himself, it should be given to you by other mods in that case if they think you behave badly.
i have as stated forwarded this matter to valery too but can be hard to handle now since thread being "cleaned".
Still i would like your opinions on the penalty given... I have been trying to be objective here now even though i understand it will still be biased so i would welcome an input from the moderator aswell saying his side of the story. But until then please reply on this matter based on my story.
I would also like your opinion on this IMO "power abuse" when the moderator your talking too gives you the penalty. Is that in your opinion the correct way for a moderator to behave and then request the thread to be cleaned?
Is it in your opinion correct at all that a mod should be giving out penalties in a discussion where he is the main character or one of them... also note that the discussion did not involve any harsh/bad language or anything like that.
Any opinions are welcomed.
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Hexa
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posted February 16, 2004 01:20 PM |
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*sighs* nice book u wrote there .
Too bad u also used the habit that writers have to fantasize and bend situations around.
I will respond briefly to this.
Your first post STARTED with saying that if: “Hexa gets the MVP medal it would lower the whole prestige of the medals.
That was already a personal insult IMO but I let it go bye.
So let it be clear that u threw the fist stone .. well lol and the second aswell with the stupidness in the later post upon which I gave u the well deserved penalty.
I responded something like this:
First that your choices are weird since the players u mentioned have no bearing on the current season since they haven’t been active.
Second that I thought that only people that are active themselves should vote (or nominate… u were hair-splitting on that word) as they know what goes on on the zone/community and in the games. U yourself haven’t played at all and been on the zone very rarely.
And yes I deleted that few min after I posted it because I thought to myself I should just let u ramble and ignore u as I usually do.
I DIDN’T say your choices were stupid.
Your last post was purely a direct insult and u knew that when u posted it!@
Last word I will say about this matter here btw.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted February 16, 2004 02:27 PM |
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hmmm i find it funny that you start your post off like "fantasize and bend situations around" and then disagree with two things i said of all that "book".. not more.
What it all comes down too though, is that you obviously draw the line for personal insults when it came to me in that thread for saying that you didnt deserve the award.
Well i could say the same about the quote you said about me then in the beginning of this post. You call me someone who make things up? now isnt that a personal insult aswell then?
Then it was your post who called me stupid indeed..dont you see that hexa? the reason i talked about your "stupidness" was because you used that word first.. you draw the line. If you just had used the word "weird" i would have talked about your "weirdness" instead.
So you go ahead and try and lay the blame on me again for throwing the first (and second) rock. I could just go ahead and call for a personal insult@ (seen even got that cute "@" in again) too then as you wanna lay all the blame on me (again) and not take any responsibilty for your actions in this.
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And yes I deleted that few min after I posted it because I thought to myself I should just let u ramble and ignore u as I usually do
personal insult again! (following your standards)
You make it sound that im not worth listening too and try and set a standard for members not to read my posts.
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Your last post was purely a direct insult and u knew that when u posted it!@
personal insult!
now his trying to tell me what to think because he thinks im not clever enough to think for myself!
See... usually i would call all of this a toss because thats what it is. IMO usually noone of the above things is personal insults off course, i see them more as a part of a discussion where you argue for your cause.
My problem lies within that seeing one of these silly arguements getting punished. Because as stated before this is the most ridicioulus penalty ive ever seen here.
If this would set a standard every thoughtful discussion in other side of the monitor forum would end up in penalties.
Oh and since i can think for myself hexa..
no.
I didnt see talking about your "stupidness" as an insult as you alrdy has set that standard by calling me and my reasoning stupid and then delete your post.
And if you are to punish everyone now for calling someone else stupid.. well good luck, you should have many many posts to give penalties too. And you can always start by giving yourself one for your deleted post.
Find it weird though that you didnt reply to my last two questions in my former post, or didnt they suit you maybe as they problably went against some unwritten law you got?
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angelito
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proud father of a princess
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posted February 16, 2004 02:54 PM |
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Is there any fact in the world more important than a red star?........when i read this, i began to doubt...
.....please don´t feel insulted by my 2 cents.....
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SapphireRavyn
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted February 16, 2004 04:17 PM |
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First of all I cleaned the thread because your "discussion" was detracting from the point of the thread NOT because I was "told" to. The one and only point of the thread was to nominate people for the MVP and Honor Medal, NOT to discuss other people's nominations OR to get into an argument over who is weird and who is stupid. In all honesty you both irritated me for taking a meaningful and important thread off into some petty tangent. The entire discussion should NOT have happened so I made it disappear. I was already in the process of cleaning the thread when I saw that you had posted another post. I never read said post. You deleted it. From the IM you sent me I presume that you asked for the thread not to be cleaned and then removed the post as you saw I was already cleaning it. My suggestion there is to try sending an IM asking for it not to be cleaned next time as I went through the thread starting at the beginning and cleaned my way down. But it was a thread created by me for a specific purpose and as far as I'm concerned you were both out of line for the thread.
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Djive
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posted February 16, 2004 06:21 PM |
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This discussion stops now.
This has gone far enough.
Ravyn did the only sensible thing to remove the off-topic posts which ended up in the Medal topic.
Sir Stiven you need to learn when to rest your case. Give up. Let the opponent win. Fold. Not continue with a discussion which can only lead into one direction.
If this penalty will get you to realise this, then it was applied for a very good cause.
Yes, I read the posts before Ravyn cleaned the topic.
Did you deserve the penalty? I'd say you were at least very close to it. At the very least you showed very poor judgement by mentioning what you thought about Hexa receiving the Medal.
I've seen enough accusations in this thread already, and will not tolerate further discussions along these lines.
The penalty stays.
Be more careful with what you call the Moderators of this forum in the future.
If someone removes their own posts, then take that as a queue that the person removing said post does not want comments on it or be reminded of what it said. Be aware that it's rather nasty to comment on and use such a post the way you did.
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Lord_Woock
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posted February 16, 2004 06:28 PM |
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the only way that other members will know if I censored the words is by clicking quote reply and then reading the post that way. Who really does this anyhow?
I do.
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Athimus_Phaeni
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Final Fantasy Fan
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posted February 18, 2004 01:25 AM |
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Did you deserve the penalty? I'd say you were at least very close to it. At the very least you showed very poor judgement by mentioning what you thought about Hexa receiving the Medal.
I've seen enough accusations in this thread already, and will not tolerate further discussions along these lines.
The penalty stays.
"Close to it" is not "reaching it". If you think that the post was close to deserve a -QP, but still did not, why the penalty stays? Are MODs afraid of argue between themselves?
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Be more careful with what you call the Moderators of this forum in the future.
The statement should be "Be careful with what you call any other member of this forum in the future." Or the rule applies only to Moderators?
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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted February 18, 2004 08:20 PM |
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"Close to it" is not "reaching it". If you think that the post was close to deserve a -QP, but still did not, why the penalty stays? Are MODs afraid of argue between themselves?
There is a grey zone where applying a penalty is normal for one moderator, whereas other moderators wouldn't have applied it.
There is no right and wrong in these cases, but members should try to avoid putting them into this position.
"Insults are not allowed at Heroes Community. Insult is any remark that undermines the persona of another member."
Sir Stiven did for instance break the above rule in the FAQ/Rules.
Sir Stiven didn't follow the below either when he decided to continue posting in the thread, against Hexa:
"How to Deal with Offences
If someone is foolish enough to seriously insult you, don't insult them back, that will only get you penalties. Instead report the insult to one of the moderators, sit back and enjoy watching the offender be dealt with. Posting your comments to the offender is only likely to cause more negativity."
The above applies also if you feel you are offended by a moderator. Do not fight back in the thread where you feel offended, and if you do fight back then you risk penalties.
If a member wants to complain on moderator actions, then he should bring said post to the attention of the admin or to me (since I'm moderating this complaint forum.)
The member should not retaliate in kind in the thread, because such behaviour may result in penalties. I'd say that this was what happened in this case.
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Be more careful with what you call the Moderators of this forum in the future.
The statement should be "Be careful with what you call any other member of this forum in the future." Or the rule applies only to Moderators?
Yes, of course it should say Members.
(Please remember that moderators are also members.)
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