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Motorschaaf
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posted October 16, 2002 03:24 PM |
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LOL Motor. I was a General in season 3, correction FieldMarshall. IN season 3 I playing massive chaining, I played Hg3 week 2 week 3 super rush. I am able to play that way. I played GiantWar, BOB, Sd3, etc all of them maps and I played them the way you like to play them. " See who is fastest." I got tired and board of it. IN season 4 I switched to randoms to keep my interest up.
i wont comment on this - each his own map flavour and playing style. i just thinks heroes would be a dumb game if the slowest would usually win 
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*** The bottom line Motor is YOU are a big CRYBABY!!!! YOU talk of wanting to save your game BUT only want to hear what you want to hear.
u wont believe it but i absolutely agree. the only thing i do when i see what happened to the game i love is to cry. that i cant keep that sad feeling out of my posts is out of thequestion. it would be a shame and i would lie if it would be different. yeah im crying but if noone crys - nothing changes and h3 will go down - thats a fact.
well at least i try to combine my crying with some ideas and with the offer o helping. sure i only hear what i wanna hear - same as u only read what u wanna read
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I have tryed to be nice, but you are the 10 year old in here and weather you want to believe it or not, players like you are part of the reason why TOH and H3 are a dying breed.
would be cool if you could explain this in detail please - without any flamin prefered thx - i cant follow this conclusion.
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Your small mind is not able to expand and see any differnece concepts or ideas for H3.
thx insults are allways welcome 
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You are stuck in the past. MAP Masters tourny, LMFAO!!!! You hate Randoms because you SUCK at them lol. Next your gonna say they are unbalanced. Well if you were as great of player as you think you are, you would be able to do like MIDNIGHT or ARCHDEVIL666 does and beable to still win on an unbalanced map. But you cant because your Talent in H3 is LIMITED to a week 3 speed strategy that you have memorized like a formula on most medium TOH maps.
i wont comment that random map thingy as i have written my thoughts about randoms 1000 times before. but what i wana comment is that there have been seperated random tourneys for randosm players around very often...so they got special touenwy for the map they love.... i havent seen a special subtouenwy for players who love other special maps..
i dont think any fixed maps player would complain if a random map tourney starts - so i cant understand why you complain about the idea for a special fixed map tourney to start.
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Up until your last post I had respect for you Motor and your ideas, but now I personally wont back any of your ideas for Myths TOH.
if this is a try to make my stop posting y ideas then u failed . its just sad that u say u wont back ideas if u got a personal problem with the one who posts it. if so i feel very sorry.
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If fact I dont think anyone is gonna take you seriously.
i couldnt care less - i keep postuing my ideas . if u wuld know me better u would know that i fight for what i like - like homm3
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Go back to German league and play your Map masters 3,000 times. Get your GiantWar trophy. Then next year run that same Map masters tourny and once again get your GiantWar Trophy. lol. You can have 5 more years of GiantWar Masters trophies LMAO.
thats to childish to comment sorry
Motorschaaf
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Jinxer
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posted October 16, 2002 03:40 PM |
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I have tryed to be nice, but you are the 10 year old in here and weather you want to believe it or not, players like you are part of the reason why TOH and H3 are a dying breed.
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would be cool if you could explain this in detail please - without any flamin prefered thx - i cant follow this conclusion.
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Hmm I thought my whole entire post was based on explaining this. Let me try again in simpler terms.
I agree your MapMasters tourny has some potential but do it on NEW fresh maps. Not the 4 year old maps. It does not have to be random. My point is that fixed maps can be great fun.
For example make an Xlarge or Large open map and then have a map masters tourny on it. The person who can master a blind map before end of tourny has true talent in H3 game.
My comment about players like you causing the death of TOH and H3, is directed at your unwillingness to forget the 4 year old medium maps. And again I stress it does NOT have to be random maps. Just NEW maps.
And I dont believe my post intended for you to quit giving suggestions for improvement. I simply meant that when you ASK for suggestions to how to improve the activity, you accept them and give them some value.
Soon as anyone mentions new fresh maps you fire back with an insult to me personally on how I must have really sucked on FIXED since I suggested new material.
Why couldnt you just say -- hmm maybe H3 would grow in activity if we produced about 10 Large new maps with differnt concepts and layouts. ( not same race to middle design)
If your posts were not so insulting then people would respond better to you and not take offense and insult ya back
P.S. I am impressed you read my entire previous post.
Jinxer
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GrandElf
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posted October 16, 2002 03:48 PM |
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aaaaaaargh, bunch of tossers, stop with that trash talking and admit yourself that interest in h3 is slowly going down
maybe we could do some h2 tourney instead 
Grand"Its all over now" elf
p.s. Titan stop drinking, it can hurt your computer
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andiangelsla...
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Famous Hero
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posted October 16, 2002 03:48 PM |
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your post was really of lowest class jinxer, im surprised to hear such stuff from you...also im surprised schaaf even commented it in a nice and non flaming way (take an expample of him maybe?)
about schaaf sux at rdms...thats not true, i played mīs with him, he just gets bored if designed bad...
but you suck at maps jinxer, thats a fact, you are too slow and blame it on the mapand bad luck even if you played sooo great...
i wouldnt have said this usually, but after you took the path of low class flaming heres a counter
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Motorschaaf
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posted October 16, 2002 03:51 PM |
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I agree your MapMasters tourny has some potential but do it on NEW fresh maps. Not the 4 year old maps. It does not have to be random. My point is that fixed maps can be great fun.
u havent read my idea carefully - its very important that such a tourney needs differnt maps. only new maps would fail - only old maps would fail .
a good mix is what its all about cause not all wanna play new maps and not all wanna play the same old maps.
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My comment about players like you causing the death of TOH and H3, is directed at your unwillingness to forget the 4 year old medium maps. And again I stress it does NOT have to be random maps. Just NEW maps.
new maps u cant just buy in a shop on a corner they need to be made thats why the idea of a TOH point awarded map contest
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If your posts were not so insulting then people would respond better to you and not take offense and insult ya back
i have made the experience in the past that usually only the ones with loud voices will be heared in a big crowd...
also i dont think i insulted anyone
Motorschaaf
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Jinxer
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posted October 16, 2002 04:26 PM |
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Well this is my last post on this issue. Now Andi is insulting people.
And its the same double standard. Motor insults Jinxer, Jinxer insults Motor back. ANd Andi claims Jinxer is low class. LOL Same double standard from you Andi. Andi and Motor are always right and never wrong. Andi and Motors opinions are all that matters. ANyone else says anything then they just suck.
I am removing my self from this debate. You guys can have your little illusion that you are somekinda GODS at fixed maps. And I am sure it makes you feel better to claim other suck at them. But some people can only feel good about them selves if they are putting others down.
Sorry if my post was insulting Motor, just was natural to fire back when someone spits in your face. But anyways, this thread is all yours Motor and Andi. Please leave me outta any further posts.
Good luck to H3.
Jinxer
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Destro23
Promising
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posted October 16, 2002 05:14 PM |
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Well here we go..
I've avoided replying to this post, as I picked it up after a number of posters had decided to
a) Bash the post
b) Bash the people in the post
I've just finished 2 H3 games!!! I have about 0 time for anything these days so it was a real big thing to get 2 games done in 2 days!
Here are the two examples.. and half the reason I think H3 is dying..
Game1 : My first fixed map in about 2-3months.. Bad map (NvsS) but thats what I could find so hell I played it.
Vs a player (nameless) who I had heard from many to be an honorable, sportmanlike, and who cares about outcome kinda guy.
End game.. its a blowout.. I am clearly going to mangle him, I have 3 of 4 top artifacts on the map and a logistics hero with double ramparts. Then the kicker.. recanters.
ok so no big deal.. I've had this same situation reversed on me many times. And had it crush me even more times. So my opponent drops as he says GG.. Which is not so big a deal either.. I'd have like to play my first final combat in about a month but I can understand the fun not being there for the slaughtered.
But the kicker for me.. which makes me want to play people I know, like, and enjoy always.. was after he says "I am very pissed off, I'd rather not chat, I see why you wanted to play this one for M&h"
Game 2: Vs Midnight a great L with Underworld map, close fight, good pace, fun time.. nothing rude, no "oh that sucked" just "lol oh great Ressur! I'm dead" "hehe yup" "its what saved my arse.." "sure did"
But the problem is I know Midnight.. and so we've played many games, and all have been enjoyable (with exception of GF power failures.. locking myself outdoors while smoking, and the occasional 6am passout.)
PLayer A I don't know, and likely I won't play again, simply because I don't want too. Also it makes me more weary to play people I don't know.. Even though he came with nice recommendations! Sure he could have been having a bad day.. maybe his wife was threatening to the power cord But without knowing this I see this:
A) Another player who wants the win.. not to win.. but THE win.. ANother player who thinks he is an incredible player, and luck beat him and thats not really too fair he figures..
I can remember one or two games I was pissed off afterwards.. and these games were when I felt I should have won, but I blundered killed my army, got caught with pants down, built waterwalk and frenzy instead of upgrading my Giants ect ect.. but those are few and far between.
So I guess the morale of the story is..
H3 has become so that everyone knows how to play at close too or highest level possible.. This creates egotistical players, which creates poor gaming enviornments, which makes people like me say F**K it. I'm gonna stick to playing that handful of guys I enjoy playing and no one else.
Then a really nice Newbie comes along.. and I won't play him, 10 other people won't play him.. he finds a game, and the guy hes playing drops day 4 of week 2 never to return, He has not enough time left to play a game now, leaves the zone and heads on back to warcraft3 or diablo2 prolly not returning anytime soon.
well gotta run now more later later
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bobntamr1
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posted October 16, 2002 05:28 PM |
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Then a really nice Newbie comes along.. and I won't play him, 10 other people won't play him.. he finds a game, and the guy hes playing drops day 4 of week 2 never to return, He has not enough time left to play a game now, leaves the zone and heads on back to warcraft3 or diablo2 prolly not returning anytime soon.
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THIS IS IN ITS ENTIRETY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, you have to play he nebies give them hints and help, and yes obviously be nice to them OR IT IS DEAD!!!!!! ... walking
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pandora
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The Chosen One
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posted October 16, 2002 06:19 PM |
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ugh..
Well i agree with Jinxer, if you want to revive heroes3 you have to keep it fresh. A tourney using maps from previous seasons that were played 100+ times by some, may be fun for the veterans that are around that love those maps.. but how many are you looking at? From what i've seen, most of the veteran activity remains on randoms - if you ignore that fact then you are ignoring a viable way to revive interest in H3.
I do think tho, that the most important point in reviving H3 is harvesting the newbies that are appearing in the zone, those guys that may annoy the heck out of you for thinking they are so great cuz they can kick some AI butt...Create 2v2 tourneys where your die hard vets team with these new people, train them, get to know them - and rebuild your H3 population. Make tournies where they can participate.. get them involved, don't tell them to "press Alt+F4" and let that be the end of it Do the mapmaker tourney, nice idea, but have dedicated people who will fill in those 70% empty maps u get lol and when the maps are made, play them! Make these people feel involved. Remember, you were once newbies.. (Psst..Andi- Skels can't get morale)
To get back all of the veterans and have them playing H3 at the same activity level WILL NOT happen. Is Fact. Most have moved on, and at best will pop in for the occaisonal fun games with old friends. If you want to build up Heroes 3 then look to the future.. You play a tourney where sd3 maps is used, a newbie plays a vet - is squashed before they even close to ready and poof - u just lost someone who coulda been a part of reviving Heroes 3
And for crying out loud, quit the flaming! You ask for people's opinions, then you listen to their answers. If you discount an idea as bad, just cuz it clashes with yours then what's the point of having this discussion? If you want success, be grown-up about it, if u can't agree with what a person is saying then at least try to understand where they are coming from, their opinions may have represented those of half the people you'd like to get involved here - and *poof* you just blew them off.
Not too mention, quite obviously, who's gonna want to play in a tourney when the fighting here is an example of what to expect from its members?
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RedSoxFan3
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Fan of Red Sox
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posted October 16, 2002 06:28 PM |
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I take it no one is interested in the map that is almost ready for the possible map making tourny.
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted October 16, 2002 06:57 PM |
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First of all RedSox I am interested. Please send the map to raven@toheroes.com I am always interested in new maps. I don't get to play much but I will look at it. And yes I know I don't have the experience of you diehard veterans but the guy offered so I am gonna take him up on it. I'll take a peek at it, probably post it for play and then try to get player feed back on what possibly needs to be changed, if that's ok with you RedSox.
As for the rest of this thread, I just spent 30 minutes trying to weave my way to the few good spots while trying to avoid the steaming hot piles. But I see some really good suggestions.
I think the idea of a Map Maker tournament with the prize being there map being played for a future Mapmasters tournament is a good possibility. I don't know how many people will actually take the time to send in decent maps but it can't hurt to try.
As for the idea of MapMasters itself, I think this too can be a good idea. The problem that we have is there are several seperate factions in the community. You have your veterans that like certain fixed maps, your random players, and then those that liked fixed maps but don't want to get clobbered by their uneven experience level (ie. interested in New fixed maps). I don't see any reason why a Mapmasters Tournament cannot offer something for all factions. Offer 3-4 of the most popular old fixed maps, 3-4 of the best random templates and the best 3-4 maps from the MapMakers Tournament. How does this sound? And is this what you were looking for Motor?
As for the comments about whether or not converting Myths ranks was a mistake, here are my 2 cents. We did it for all the right reasons, as a thank you to the players that played with us from the beginning and have stuck through the upheaval and resets we have done as we combined 2 seperate tournaments Myths of Camelot and Heroes Kingdom (reset 1) to form Myths and Heroes. And then again when we made the move to the ToH servers (reset 2). We didn't want to make it reset 3 when we got the automation. In retrospect, it was a good idea, one we did for the right reasons, but it may not have been all that fair, considering we could not do the same for the ToH Season 5 players. But what I want you to think of is how angry you were at the reset of Season 5 and then put yourself in the position of the people we brought with us that have already gone through that same anger, not once but twice in a few short months. Now can you maybe understand why?
I also have some plans for clans but I need some help but will post those issues in it's own thread. Please take a look and keep the criticism constructive.
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jb239
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posted October 16, 2002 07:03 PM |
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always fighting...
thats what 95% of the replies on this topic are.
maybe thats why H3 is dying, cause of the remaining players, no one can get along. its always random vs fixed or brackets vs addicts, etc, and then someone tries to make a tourney with all of those aspects included, and it fails. cause everyone is split up and not enough activity.
and then there is H4..a game where everyone is open to change and try new things, but 3do can't even get it working enough for people to do real tournaments with it.
From my perspective the "Heroes Community" isn't doing very well, and Ive been around a long time, and remember all the successful tournaments. And they were successful because people weren't so picky like they are now...why are you picky? maybe you are tired of heroes, but cant face that fact. Im the first to admit I became picky after awhile, and aside from havin no time, I dont really have a desire to play heroes anymore.
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pandora
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The Chosen One
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posted October 16, 2002 07:14 PM |
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Tourney idea
Have a Newbie Battle tourney, or to make it more flattering for newcomers, call it an apprenticeship tourney or something
Here's the idea - have veterans enter themselves as teachers, once you have enough veterans involved, then each veteran must go to zone and find a new player that would be interested in learning from a vet. The vets and their apprentice then have a couple of weeks to train, be it thru chats, battlemaps, allies, or maps edited with carto - whatever, they just train At the end of this training period, the newcomers go into a bracketed tourney which the best will win!
considerations: as playing vet vs newbie during the training period would be too cheezy for points, i think both vets and players should be given some points award for participating. As well as perhaps a trainer icon in ranks, and a trainee for the newcomers (which also serves to show when looking for games that this player isn't a super newbie )
Also, i think the winner of the bracketed should get some sort of 'hot prospect 'award or something like, and the vest a master trainer.. or however you want to do it.
As a side thing, you could even let vets bet rank points on their newbie in the final tourny
In any case, if u run this tourney often enuff, it should help inject new blood into the system - and ensure a higher level of play.
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andiangelsla...
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posted October 16, 2002 07:23 PM |
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fighting and discussing is good...at least i like it, wouldnt it be boring without it? surely it would, and thats why we need something competetive back, a league where you can play vs your worst enemy too, coz those games are as fun as vs your mates from time to time, real cut-throat competition, bloody hell of games (of course still without cheating, drops and all that crap).
now, if we would do something like that nations idea, the team spirit would be great, discussing strategies with your team mates, all that stuff needs to be brought back...and i bet theres hundreds of veterans or experienced players crawling outta their h3-less holes again when such a thing is started, bring back flamingo for example, you need such guys for competitive play, it keeps the thing fun.
And i mean really started, not just a list with some peeps how it is now...no with a map with the countries on, and everything that belongs to this.
And yes, im willing to take some of the work it needs, and im sure many others too.
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Jinxer
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posted October 16, 2002 07:27 PM |
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Thank you JB. I think you hit the nail on the head. My opinions and frustration in my posts are a result of being tired of heroes 3 in general. For me newness is needed for others they like same old stuff.
H4 is the answer for me. Also even though I was trying to help in my posts it is now apparent to me that ONLY people that plan on being involved with the future of H3 should offer such help and opinions, because they will be the ones involved in the result. That way the players can form the tourny around what styles are liked.
Just need to take a step back and look at the big picture. I am gonna dedicate all my time energy into learning the New Heroes future.
*** So I want to apologize to Motor, for my backfire post. It wasnt appropriate to return or exchange insults with you. I was debating and offering suggestions for a tourny and game that I am moving away from, really no point in that. You must discover why H3 is dying in your own way.
BTW very well written post Pandora. Pretty much everything you said is what I wanted to say, but I have never been able to put my thoughts and meanings into words as well and diplomatic as you do =)
Peace and have fun in TOH H3, in what ever form it becomes.
Jinxer
* Hold that H4 Bus I am jumping on!!! *
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RedSoxFan3
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Fan of Red Sox
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posted October 16, 2002 08:10 PM |
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I sent you the map Ravyn. I hope you like it.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted October 16, 2002 08:55 PM |
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To hear some good ideas to keep H3 or heroes 4 alive we need not only to listen to known or vets but also to new players here to for everyone has a great creative mind.
Kind of like real life the more money you have the more power you have & being able to screw & treat people the way you want & nothing really can be done it's the same thang on here which the more you volunteer the more you have the power to treat others mean & nothing can really happen it's sad but some are like that.
I seen some leave because of that power.
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bobntamr1
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posted October 16, 2002 09:59 PM |
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standing ovation pandora
very nicely worded and constructive too boot. Can i be one of the newbies that gets trained? I SUCK still lol. my original season5 record was 7-52 lol ... anyways, i think that is a great idea for a tourney to help promote HOMM3 and in fact it is probably the best i have seen/heard or thought about. Maybe some minor refining, but the vets who want to keep it alive should be interested or they just want to complain...
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andiangelsla...
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posted October 16, 2002 10:33 PM |
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nonono, i just cant agree...i dont want a tourney where i help noobs, i want tourney where i play cut-throat vs vets that do everything that is fair to win!
i dont know, is that so hard to understand? helping noobs i can do without a tourney...
is there noone that wants that too besides me, schaaf and 888?
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bobntamr1
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posted October 16, 2002 10:47 PM |
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oh i understand that andi. I thought the post was about keeping HOMM3 alive... lol no offence
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