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bjorn190
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posted January 27, 2003 11:41 AM |
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I never left. If you mean homm3 ToH, well thats a different matter.
Yeah you're right. I was talking about homm3 toh, but letīs just ignore my post. I made it at 4 am, and itīs hardly a necessary post. :I
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insatiable
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Ultimate N00bidity
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posted January 27, 2003 04:18 PM |
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If two people (or Zud and a person)..
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted January 27, 2003 07:51 PM |
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1 man + 1 black horse (zud) => thief
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dEth8
Promising
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posted January 29, 2003 03:08 AM |
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Note this following statement as copy and pasted from TOH's older new section
"Maps page at 50. [12/8]
The Maps Page now has 40 unique maps and 10 more variants listed, all tested and reviewed by the map council. Not bad for only 4 months of multiplayer. The unlisted map option when reporting your games has now been removed; all ToH games must be played on ToH listed maps only. " - Vesuvius
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Seems a bit of an oversight to me. Could easily be corrected with putting back the option of unlisted map, or something like "other" would be helpful too. Could also be fixed by mandating exactly as it says, but that seems detrimental to the spirit of ToH. But, da rules is da rules too and I do remember the above quote....though I thought *ack!* at the time since it is not flexible at all and there sometimes come special circumstances when dealing with players if you want to allow a bit of freedom in regard to free challenge games.
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mklthrkngl
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posted January 29, 2003 08:42 AM |
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still no answer to my questions
i'm not sure what the point here is. If a person finds a map they think is good enough for TOH they send it to the map council for aproval and inclusion in the maps section right?
is this not why the MC is there? Once approved or not it can then be used for point games or not. This helps to insure no unfair advantage is taken in TOH games. Is this not correct?
this whole evolution argument i read in earlier post, was it your meaning that TOH started out structured and is now evolving into a more unstructured and less ruled tourney? if this is so you are wrong.
the structures of this tourney are what has evolved to meet the very situations discussed in this post. Toh moved away from allowing open play on any maps available for some very good reasons.
1. Map quality and esthetic values. Players could be sure of playing on quality well made maps. This is one of the great secrets of TOH's succes. Our maps in general just plain old looked better than anybody elses including the cd!!
2. Fairness and game balance. some maps have built in unfair advantages that when known creat unfair play situations. sometimes these advantages are not readily noticable which is why we have a group of experienced players and map makers check them out.
3. Simplification of duties for TOH administrators and volunteers. the map councils work helps relieve much of the work the honour council would have to do by ensuring a fair playing field for all TOH players.
i reiterate my original question again, how do you expect the HC to rule on maps that they have never seen and have no idea if they are even fair well made maps?
if a map is so good you want to play TOH games on it why not just submit it and let the MC either approve it or not? That way we can all play it. are we all so hungry for TOH points we cann't wait till a map is posted anymore? i'm sorry if maybe i sound a little suspicious of players who want to play on maps that are not approved by the council. do they think that there new favorite maps might be spoiled if the rest of TOH plays on them? or are they trying to protect an advantage to themselves they have discerned in the map that would be exposed if it was submitted?
ps. i'm also very disappointed in the cavalier way that jinxer has been treated in this string. i know of very few TOHers who've contributed more than jinxer and when he raises a very valid point he and his posts have been belittled in this string.
pps. not sure i want to play in a tourney where i might get bushwacked for TOH points on an unfair map that hasn't been approved by TOH MC. you may say, "well ya should a known better" but i always thought the MC and the tourney rules were always there to make games a little more worry free.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted January 29, 2003 09:09 AM |
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All you people are starting to annoy me, I have nothing but good things to say about Jinxer, but come on, there was no advantage creation on the map, we both played it first time, conclusively we helped out map council by play testing a map we thought was well-designed and kinda balanced, it was the same thing bob did with maps tested for toh, we made a choice of that map, played it, and then submitted the request that it should be put on toh maps page, if u wanted to disregard the game, that was fine, but stop making accusations, your anger should be focused on other things (wife, kids, life, job).
And you Jinxer, you by all people could, for a moment, think that Zud will cheat in any way, i'm not talking about me, i'm new, you don't know me (by the way, I only cheat with footmen, i can't succeed with higher-ranked than me ... )! Sheeshh
I rest my case and hereby close this thread
p.s. : such negative thinking ... it ages you
p.p.s : no respect ...
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CraigHack
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Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted January 29, 2003 06:38 PM |
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Da rulez is da rulez and should be followed.... Or changed.
I have seen the folks doing this on Gamespy and wondered about the propriety of such action.
Dont get me wrong! I have no problem with Zud and Bobbah playing an unlisted game to test it and making it count.
As a matter of fact... someone has to do it. Maybe a "Test" map could be added to the list. Maybe at least one of the 2 players must be a map council member? That sounds like a good rule.
I might have a problem tho if "JoeSixPack", not on the map council, turns up with 26 wins, all on "test" maps. I dont think any 2 players, neither of which is on the map council, should be playing test maps for points.
Testing of the same map over and over again for points should be viewed with suspicion.
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mklthrkngl
Known Hero
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posted January 29, 2003 08:24 PM |
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touchy touchy!!
i don't recall saying anything derogatory towards you or ZUD Val. in fact in my earlier post i mention the fact that the last person i'd suspect of unfair play would be ZUD. we're not arguing about if you and ZUD are dishonest players and we don't give a rats @ss about the game you played and reported. what we're discussing is wether unlisted maps should be allowed for TOH point games. the only thing you and ZUD's game have to do with the discussion is you 2 happen to have reported one and zud has come down on the side of reporting using unlisted maps. not sure where you get the idea anybody's callin ya a cheater?
lighten up a little friend.
ps.i would never call ZUD a cheater, maybe slow playin B@stard but never a cheater hehehe
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted January 30, 2003 02:48 AM |
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problem i see with unlisted option is that someone could edit a map to their advantage but the other person couldnt accuse them of it, because they could just say "that's how the map is, its not my fault!"
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bjorn190
Responsible
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Jebus maker
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posted January 30, 2003 11:32 PM |
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problem i see with unlisted option is that someone could edit a map to their advantage but the other person couldnt accuse them of it, because they could just say "that's how the map is, its not my fault!"
I have a map that is called "the game 1 map" where one team starts out with all relics, a level 59 hero, a fully built town, and 500 AAs and other castle troops of the same power. The opponents get 5000 imps, one archdevil, and a town where all structures are disabled.
Itīs hard to lose if youīre on the team that starts with the castle army, but thatīs just how the map is. This map is most often used for playing n00bs that spam for a game.
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dEth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted January 31, 2003 03:53 AM |
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lol
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problem i see with unlisted option is that someone could edit a map to their advantage but the other person couldnt accuse them of it, because they could just say "that's how the map is, its not my fault!"
I have a map that is called "the game 1 map" where one team starts out with all relics, a level 59 hero, a fully built town, and 500 AAs and other castle troops of the same power. The opponents get 5000 imps, one archdevil, and a town where all structures are disabled.
Itīs hard to lose if youīre on the team that starts with the castle army, but thatīs just how the map is. This map is most often used for playing n00bs that spam for a game.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted September 13, 2007 10:37 AM |
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aaaaaaaaaah the good'ol'day's..
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